Glissa's Necronomicon

Commander / EDH* NiTRoBoX

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Changed 3 cards —June 20, 2015

Phylactery Lich to Grim Haruspex
Wasn't sure about the lich and some extra draw sounds good.

Champion's Helm to Whispersilk Cloak
as I don't have auras I don't mind using Shroud instead of Hexproof and
I want all my creatures be able to get it not only Legendary. Plus Unblockable
sounds good.

Sorin's Vengeance to Garruk, Apex Predator
as I was suggested to take out the vengeance I wanted a good card to replace it
Garrus seems like a good addition to the deck.

NiTRoBoX says... #1

kkelsey I must say I didn't find any artifact with good effect when it enters the game.. :/
but I did few changes and got Phyrexian Arena :D
so I made the next changes:
-1x Swamp = +1x Phyrexian Arena
As I have now Phyrexian Arena and few more ways to get mana\lands I think I will be ok with 38 lands.

-1x Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief = +1x Sidisi, Undead Vizier
I wanted more Deathtouch creatures plus tutoring is always nice.

-1x Golgari Charm = +1x Sudden Spoiling
Not sure about this changes will need to try and see both can be useful so hard to tell..

-1x Perilous Myr = +1x Solemn Simulacrum
I think Solemn is much much better even that it cost more mana.

-1x Wall of Tanglecord = +1x Deadly Recluse
Reach+Deathtouch I like it more.

-1x Gleancrawler = +1x Visara the Dreadful
Visara is flying and killing.. I like it more :3

what do you think about those changes?
Again any comment\suggestion\critics are really needed and appreciated! thanks in a head for your time and help :)

June 17, 2015 1:18 p.m. Edited.

AtomusPrime says... #2

ok so the first thing I noticed is that there are plenty of cards in here that can start some nice infinite loops. However, you may need to beef up a few of your critters.

Here are a few suggestions off the top of my head, I will return with some nasty critters:

Reanimate This will be used as a secondary animate dead

Grand Coliseum Another Ping land for any color, cheaper than mana confluence

Crypt Ghast double swamp mana + Extort

June 17, 2015 3:23 p.m.

UpsetYoMama says... #3

Skullclamp is a must for this deck. Insane card draw advantage and recurrable with your general.

Since this is your first EDH deck, I'll try to explain my thoughts about why a couple of cards that you have in here aren't that great.

I dislike Dregs of Sorrow because of its limitation and it's costly and bulky. You have enough spot removal, so that's good. I'd suggest adding some board sweepers. Toxic Deluge or Damnation would be my go-to here, if you can afford it eventually. Black Sun's Zenith is another alternative.

In most cases, I would rather have Pernicious Deed than Gaze of Granite. In part because its cost can be split up between two turns if necessary.

Sorin's Vengeance gives you a net of 20 in life difference. I know this seems like a lot in EDH, but it's not. Some decks even use life as a commodity (such as Oloro, Ageless Ascetic). If you're dead set on something like this, I would try Sorin Markov. I've also found that Crypt Incursion can be bonkers in EDH, is very cheap to both play and buy, and can wreck someone relying on the graveyard.

Traveler's Amulet isn't that great. Expedition Map would be just awesome in here.

I think this is the wrong format for Witchbane Orb. The amount of hand removal is less in this format overall, but more importantly most people don't use burn as a win con. If this is a particular problem in your meta, then I understand your choice.

Indulgent Tormentor is weak in EDH. Your opponent will pay 3 life 99% of the time, unless they can't. Shadowborn Demon is a pretty sweet card that I think you could pull off in this deck.

Crocanura just isn't great. I think you have enough kill spells in here so that you shouldn't have to worry too much about flying. You could replace this with a utility creature such as Terastodon or Woodfall Primus. These two are also great targets for Animate Dead.

Some cool stuff I think you could try running:

Chromatic Lantern for mana fixing.

Golgari Signet for mana fixing. The Signets are actually very powerful in EDH, so much so that I run multiples in almost every EDH deck I have (if they are more than two colors).

Platinum Angel would be a lot of fun, although perhaps unnecessary.

You need sac outlets in here. They are important in most decks, but especially in yours. I would run Greater Good to help fill the graveyard and for card draw and Altar of Dementia. The Altar is an alternate win con and can make something like Solemn Simulacrum easily to abuse.

I think you could also use some equipment to both protect your general and to make sure she can get through and deal damage to recur your artifacts. I would consider adding in Lightning Greaves, Swiftfoot Boots, Whispersilk Cloak, and Filth.

To show how it can get out of hand fast, think of having Glissa equipped with Whispersilk Cloak. You have Solemn Simulacrum out equipped with Skullclamp. You also have Altar of Dementia on the field. Sac the Simulacrum, mill your opponent, draw your card, and then swing with the unblockable Glissa to get him back. Assuming you have 5 mana, you could do this every turn (and get a land each time he enters the battlefield).

Some tutors to search for your stuff: Demonic Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, Diabolic Intent

Eventually, I can see this deck at its best running most of the swords. Sword of Fire and Ice, Sword of Feast and Famine, Sword of Light and Shadow.

I hope some of that helped as it took my a while to type it out. I touched on a lot of the cards and my thoughts surrounding them. I think the best direction suited for Glissa is lots of artifacts, especially ones you can abuse through returning from the graveyard. If you don't have the budget for all of this, then just try to acquire it over time. If you're more interested in sac effects, I would try Prossh, Skyraider of Kher or Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord.

If you're interested, I could also critique your land base.

June 17, 2015 3:39 p.m.

You can never go wrong with Grave Titan. Also, a lot of EDH players have a problem with not putting in enough creatures to help defend yourself vs aggro. I personally run about 30 creatures minimum to help against this, but depending on how your playgroup is you might not need that many. On the plus side, I like most of your artifacts. However, Golgari Keyrune and Witchbane Orb are the weak links, at least from what I can see. Spine of Ish Sah and Coercive Portal would be some replacements for them. If you have any questions, hit me up! I've been playing EDH for a couple years now and would be happy to help you with deck improvements beyond what I've said.

('u')

June 17, 2015 3:46 p.m.

AtomusPrime says... #5

If you are going to steal from graveyards, you should induse the usage of milling people out.

Mesmeric Orb anytime someone untaps anything, you mill that many cards, this will help you steal critters from graveyards & pull your infinite combo's faster by killing off your critters early game

Champion of Lambholt is doing you more harm than good in your deck my friend, if you want to attack people directly I suggest Siege Behemoth :) Champion of Lambholt is going to slow you down and is easy to kill.

Coffin Queen would be fun to use with Illusionist's Bracers Steal two creatures instead of one

Crocanura please no... no no no... pull more mana to use if you are going to use evolve. Use Gyre Sage

Harvester of Souls and Indulgent Tormentor cost far to much for their abilities, you need to run the game early in fr EDH, you should take advantage of double mana with Crypt Ghast and go for Pestilence Demon and Ob Nixilis, Unshackled This way you prevent your opponent from searching/tutoring and you can field wipe with a critter, which will then mass trigger Glissa. Also Consitor using Black Sun's Zenith with Necroskitter However thats a very unlikely chance to have both at the same time, instead take a look at Archfiend of Depravity or Massacre Wurm

IF you are looking to fully abuse the graveyard:

Grimore of the dead

Rise of the Dark Realms

Geth, Lord of the Vault

Lord of the Void

Yawgmoth's Will

If you consiter milling make sure you use an Eldrazi.

June 17, 2015 3:47 p.m.

AtomusPrime says... #6

You should have access to Joiner Adept + Prismatic Omen to fix mana.

June 17, 2015 3:54 p.m.

NiTRoBoX says... #8

AtomusPrime,Averymk9 and UpsetYoMama I really thank you guys for your time and effort!
You gave me a lot to think about it and that even more then what I was hopping for :) thank you.
It will take me some time to acknowledge this all, but the first things I will change are:
Champion of Lambholt, Crocanura, Indulgent Tormentor, Traveler's Amulet.

You have suggested many good cards, sadly most of them quite costly I will think what I need the most and acquire them over time I guess. ><

UpsetYoMama about the mana :D there are some lands I want but they are quite expensive,
I guess I can put Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth from my Queen of Entity [W + Splash B] deck as I don't want to buy another 10$ land atm >
< and I guess I need it here more then in my other deck.
again thank you I have read all the comments and will read again carefully and try to apply the suggested. :) I don't make changes to the list unless I've acquired the cards though >_<

June 17, 2015 5:11 p.m.

AtomusPrime says... #9

Well if you are limited on money, there is a way to proxy EDH decks, its frowned on, however, their are a few places that may allow you to use 2/3 proxies. In EDH format.

June 17, 2015 5:14 p.m.

AtomusPrime says... #10

Until you buy the real cards of course. May people Proxy out cards just to make them look cooler, however you must have the real cards on hand if a judge comes by.

June 17, 2015 5:15 p.m.

AtomusPrime says... #11

IF you need a deck to invest in getting more cards you should consider entering MODERN Tornaments with my 1 turn Eldrazi deck. You pull that eldrazi turn 1-3 it's basically game lol. You should win cards to sell so you can pay for the cards you need.

June 17, 2015 5:17 p.m.

NiTRoBoX says... #12

AtomusPrime there are not many places to play MTG in my country, and the few that exist play mostly commander\standard or drafts.. I want to play commander there so that is why I've build this deck :P
can you please explain about the infinity combos you have spoke before?
It has a nice combo of Birthing Pod + Coffin Queen as I can take enemy creatures and use them for
getting new creatures from the deck. Thought it will cost 5 mana per turn..
Reanimate I didn't know this card, adding it along the side with Animate Dead and Dance of the Dead can be good idea, or maybe instead one of them, will need to think about it hmm..


Crypt Ghast I wasn't sure I can use it in B+G commander as the extort have white symbol O_o

June 17, 2015 5:34 p.m. Edited.

AtomusPrime says... #13

You can use Crypt Ghast because it's a black creature, the symbols on the ability of the creature mean nothing for its ability to be in a deck. Same goes to land and such. The color of the card & Casting (CMC) has to match the commander.

The Illusionist's Bracers are one of several Artifacts that are heavily used to make infinite combo's. When you use Coffin Queen's ability you can instead pull two creatures back from a graveyard into play along with the birthing pod card. With the use of the card you own Thornbite Staff You can easily Sacrifice and freely untap and sacrifice until you have pulled every creature from your deck into the graveyard then you could use Mortal Combat To win the game. Another Combo is Thornbite Staff Which can be equiped to Glissa, Glissa has deathtouch, hence Thornbite Staff is pinging your foes creatures for instant Kills. You should consider Quillspike. Another Combo I'll post in a sec

June 17, 2015 5:46 p.m.

UpsetYoMama says... #14

Glad I could be of help.

Crypt Ghast is a strange card. Wizards more or less declared its legality in mono-colored decks when they printed it in the mono-black "Sworn to Darkness" EDH deck.

Basically, the rule is this: Extort has no mana symbols on the card (just the reminder text), so it doesn't make the card black/white.

June 17, 2015 5:51 p.m.

NiTRoBoX says... #15

AtomusPrime,UpsetYoMama Interesting I didn't know that and I think I do have Crypt Ghast in my collection hmm will need to search.
I've made some changes based on your comments, although I'm afraid my average CMC too high now,and I lack enough low cmc creatures :/
Also there more cards I would like to add but some of them too expensive for me atm, and generally have no clue what to take out for them.
I will get one of Pernicious Deed and would like to put Sorin Markov one day :P

I'm using Sorin's Vengeance more like finishing move..
Also was thinking about Temporal Extortion what do you think?
I like the idea ofCoffin Queen + Illusionist's Bracers but I think its won't be good if that is the only use of it as I don't have really other creatures to use it with well maybe with Visara the Dreadful but thats it :(

June 17, 2015 6:04 p.m.

UpsetYoMama says... #16

Temporal Extortion is a funny card. Generally, it's not that great since it gives your opponent a choice. If they're any good they will choose the best option for them. I had a mono-black EDH deck I ran it in for a while. It was kind of effective -- I had times when my opponents did pay the life. After experimentation I eventually took it out.

If you could find a way to sacrifice it, Ugin's Nexus would be an interesting card to try in here. The card is on my mind because I (unfortunately) pulled a foil one out of a pack. Arcbound Ravager + Ugin's Nexus would work, or Grinding Station + Ugin's Nexus. Plus it fits your artifact theme. Come to think of it, Arcbound Ravager would be a great addition to the deck regardless.

You could also nuke Ugin's Nexus with Pernicious Deed. An extra turn after clearing the board would be nice.

One of the things I love about EDH is trying to find random interactions like this that work :P (or don't work, which is more often the case).

June 17, 2015 6:46 p.m.

NiTRoBoX says... #17

UpsetYoMama ah! if only Ugin's Nexus went to graveyard instead of exile xD could be epic. Maybe even somehow infinity combo of turns hehe

What do you think of the deck now? should be better, I took in consideration you suggestions,though couldn't allow myself to add the expensive cards. So I did what my wallet allowed me :P

June 17, 2015 7:27 p.m.

EssTea says... #18

Isn't Skullclamp banned?

June 17, 2015 9:12 p.m.

UpsetYoMama says... #19

Skullclamp is banned in Tiny Leaders, EssTea, probably what you're thinking about. It was also included in two of the 2014 Commander decks Wizards released (with new art).

June 17, 2015 10:31 p.m.

UpsetYoMama says... #20

Also, I like the inclusion of Darksteel Plate, it's one I hadn't thought of.

June 17, 2015 10:31 p.m.

NiTRoBoX says... #21

EssTea, UpsetYoMama
Skullclamp based on magiccard.info:
Legal in Vintage (Type 1)
Banned in Legacy (Type 1.5)
Banned in Block Constructed
Legal in Classic (MTGO)
Legal in Commander
Banned in Modern

All the equipment I have was put with Glissa, the Traitor in mind :P I really want to include
Whispersilk Cloak as you suggested but I don't know how to squeeze it in
so what do you think of the deck now? I'm afraid that I have too high avg CMC\too much high CMC creatures :/

June 18, 2015 2:40 a.m.

UpsetYoMama says... #22

Maybe take out Dregs of Sorrow or Executioner's Capsule. I still don't like their limitation of only hitting nonblack creatures.

The deck looks much better now. Although your CMC curve isn't perfect, you can probably get away with it. While important in EDH, it's not quite as critical as in other formats.

June 18, 2015 8:21 a.m.

I would (however unhelpful this may seem for lack of a replacement card) take out Deadly Recluse for its lack of versatility. Instead, mana ramp could fill up that 2 CMC slot. Cards like Rampant Growth or Expedition Map. In my opinion, the deck in general needs higher CMC cards as finishers in the late game and more utility creatures, instead of Phylactery Lich and Vampire Nighthawk which have one use then are discarded. Maybe artifact cards with sacrifice effects and relevant (no offense) abilities, like Scarecrone, Ratchet Bomb, or Oblivion Stone. Oblivion stone especially because, if I'm correct, it will blow up the board and glissa's trigger will return it your hand upon destruction.

If you need help, there's always this amazing page and the lists of commander staples in the other articles: http://tappedout.net/mtg-articles/2012/apr/4/building-edh-deck/

June 18, 2015 5:34 p.m.

NiTRoBoX says... #24

UpsetYoMama I see your point as I guess many people play triple color decks so good chance to
come across a black creatures.. but I'm not sure that Ratchet Bomb will be better.. I do have one though.
Maybe as a side board card?

Legionofinferno thanks you for your suggestion when I first saw Oblivion Stone I was like "Hell that will be great I'm getting one!" but then I saw the price >_<' its $29.99 in the store I buy..
so this can't be an option for me.. along the way with Damnation great card but too high price..
As for Deadly Recluse well I wanted more Deathtouch for Thornbite Staff and Viridian Longbow
and it got reach so could help vs flying, and as it is with DeathTouch can help even in late game

As for Phylactery Lich well yes not the best I wouldn't mind to change it but if I do I think it should
be a creature as 26 is not that much and I would like to keep it 26 :/

Thank you for the link to the article I will read it for sure :)! I bookmarked it :)

June 19, 2015 9:52 a.m. Edited.