Creature — Elemental
Wither (This deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters.)
Whenever a creature an opponent controls with a -1/-1 counter on it is put into a graveyard, you may return that card to play under your control.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
Latest Decks as Commander
5 months ago
And so on and so forth. All of these basically win the game if not answered. Your enchantment definitely needs more power. I like the general idea though.
5 months ago
SWappING Opal Palace , Tainted Strike , Reaper of Sheoldred , Simic Signet , Necroskitter , and Commander's Sphere for Arcane Signet , Fellwar Stone , Fynn, the Fangbearer , Emergent Ultimatum , Grafted Exoskeleton , and Labyrinth of Skophos
8 months ago
Orange+: Thank you for the kudos.
The Minus counter theme is something that grew while going through my collection. I do realize that Ifnir and Carnifex Demon don't target, and that actually is the reason I included them. The deck has two cards that can steal opposing creatures. The first one is Grave Betrayal, which is just ridiculously powerful, but also costs seven mana. The second one is Necroskitter. If I were to target a creature which e.g. Cauldron of Souls, it would die before getting the counter, so Necroskitter wouldn't trigger. The demons can spread the minus counters without targeting, so the next targetting ability will give me control over them. A thing that seems very interesting in this regard is that proliferate doesn't target. I don't yet know what to make of this, but I'm pretty sure there is a way to abuse this...
The auras are meant to be used just as you said. They can protect my creatures when I attach them without an active Horobi. Swiftfoot Boots are especially important here. Protecting either K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth or Magus of the Coffers is crucial. Unhallowed Pact and Unholy Indenture habe a special little place in that regard: They can simply be protection, but enchanting an opposing creature with either before putting out Horobi is another way to steal them.
There are overall three spells like that: Bone Harvest, Forever Young, and Gravepurge. They are somewhat of a combo with Gray Merchant of Asphodel and Bolas's Citadel. Fill my grave with lots of creatures, control a Citadel and have a Merchant in hand or graveyard. Cast one of the three recursion spells, put all the creatures on top (If Gary is in the Grave, put him on the bottom of the creature pile). Cast all the creatures with Citadel, then cast Gary into a crowded board and drain an obscene amount of life. When we have enough mana, Death Denied or Reaping the Graves can do a similar thing.
There is one find in particular that I really like in the deck: I've always wanted a reason to play Skeletal Wurm. Horobi is propably the only deck that can make use of it, and it plus the not so small number of other activated abilities is the reason I included Necrotic Ooze. This can be a very powerful creature that can protect itself from Horobi's influence.
8 months ago
Hey man, great to see that you've added your take on Horobi, Death's Wail EDH :)
It looks like this deck has quite a few cool mechanisms that I haven't considered. But there's also a few things I'm unsure about.
Like Archfiend of Ifnir. You realise that this effect, and the effects of other "each creature" effects don't trigger Horobi, Death's Wail? The only other cards I can see the -1/-1 counters synergize with, are Necroskitter and Contagion Clasp. But I guess it fits with a -1/-1 theme, if thats what you are aiming for?
Just in case, I would also like to point out the anti-synergy between the auras like Demonic Vigor and Horobi, Death's Wail's effect because of the fact that auras target their creature when cast. But you probably already know this and is planning to use the auras before casting Horobi, in that case, you are all good :)
Other than these observations I really like Grimoire of the Dead. That looks like a ton of fun! I am also curious that you chose the more mana expensive Bone Harvest over Raise Dead, and I am wondering if this is a trade I should do in my own deck. Bone Harvest does definitely have more value, and is way better than Raise Dead later in the game.
Thanks for sharing.
9 months ago
I agree, great deck name haha. You might consider these: Necroskitter, Blowfly Infestation, Crumbling Ashes, Black Sun's Zenith, Dusk Urchins, Seshiro the Anointed, Parallel Lives, Second Harvest, Parallel Evolution, Coat of Arms, Throne of the God-Pharaoh, Eldrazi Monument, Zulaport Cutthroat, Pitiless Plunderer, Species Specialist, Flourishing Defenses
11 months ago
Whip of Erebos -> Nightmare Shepherd The whip looks better than it actually is. I don't usually attack so the "lifelink" aspect is basically useless. The reanimation effect is too expensive, The Shepherd looks more efficient at what it is supposed to do.
Phyrexian Altar, Tombstone Stairwell -> Ashnod's Altar, Nim Deathmantle The point here is to include an infinite combo with creatures like Sengir Autocrat, Weaponcraft Enthusiast and Chittering Witch. Basically you can keep recasting the creature thanks to the Nim Deathmantle by sacrificing the tokens to the Ashnod's Altar. With a Blood Artist effect on the table is game over. Not the most efficient combo in here, but a solution that may become the backup plan.
This is the closest built from the final version of the deck i had in mind when i started building it. The last two changes would be Phyrexian Arena -> Necropotence and Necroskitter -> Contamination. I don't know If i want to get there because this deck looks pretty good imo as it is now.
11 months ago
Most of my experience with infect comes from playing simic, but I have played the mechanic in all 5 colors. In terms of power, green is the most effective color to play by a very VERY large margin. You get access to the best infect creature in Glistener Elf (along with the slower and safer option of Blight Mamba), you get trample sources to push through damage with Ichorclaw Myr such as Rancor, Predator's Strike, and Larger Than Life, you get protection bundled with buffs in the form of Vines of Vastwood, Ranger's Guile, and Blossoming Defense, and you get the largest pool of very strong power boosts in the form of Mutagenic Growth, Invigorate, Scale Up, Might of Old Krosa, Berserk, Become Immense, Groundswell, Phytoburst, Noble Hierarch, and Pendelhaven. Since infect is an all-or-nothing sort of archetype, even when running the less aggressive versions, the most important characteristics that you need are speed, protection, and evasion. Green offers two of those things in spades but can struggle with evasion. This is why blue is generally considered the next best color to run. You get the insane threat of Blighted Agent, unblockable buffs with Distortion Strike and Aqueous Form, and protection from spells via Spell Pierce, Dispel, Turn Aside, and the odd Spellskite. Black is the next best. Plague Stinger's flying isn't as good as the unblockable on a Blighted Agent but it's still very powerful evasion as illustrated by the ubiquity of Inkmoth Nexus in every non-budget infect list ever made. Black also nets useful control tools like Thoughtseize, Inquisition of Kozilek, Fatal Push, Dismember, and Assassin's Trophy. White was considered the worst infect color for a very long time since its best option (Apostle's Blessing) can be used in any deck, but the recent introduction of Giver of Runes has breathed some life back into the color. Additionally, I've seen a lot of equipment lists popping up that use Colossus Hammer, Kor Duelist, Sigarda's Aid, and Kor Outfitter to see some success. Unfortunately, that leaves red as the current worst color to run in infect. It has some decent buffs but they pale in comparison to green's offerings. The result is that most red infect decks rely on gimmicks like using Razor Swine's first strike to wither enemy creatures, generating infinite mana to pump into an unblocked Ogre Menial, or putting Phyresis on something like a Spikeshot Elder to bypass combat altogether. Your instant tricks definitely fall in this category. That's not necessarily a bad thing though. If your meta is casual enough, red should still work and it will be much more interesting to play with / fun to play against than a more traditional deck. How competitive you want to be is always up to you.
To answer your specific questions, I would probably start by cutting a few creatures. Most lists run about 12 infect sources (and that's including a playset of Inkmoth Nexus). With Hand of the Praetors on your top end, running 16-20 isn't that unreasonable, at least as long as all of them are good. Infect creatures usually become "bad" when they cost more than 2. That's why I wouldn't usually recommend running Ichor Rats or Septic Rats. Both Necropede and Plague Myr are perfectly acceptable inclusions with very similar power levels. They'll rarely be better than Plague Stinger or Ichorclaw Myr but that's okay if you just want more guys to play. As for Vector Asp, it's honestly a pretty bad choice in most circumstances. While you usually won't need to activate it more than 2 or 3 times to win the game, that mana would be better spent elsewhere, and it doesn't even trigger the Hand. However, given the choice of it and a 3-drop, I'd probably take the snake, especially since it would be your only proactive play on turn 1 (barring the inclusion of Glistener Elf or Inkmoths). Better though would just be to run neither and invest in more buff spells to assist in combat and trigger Livewire Lash. I do like the idea of those spells having cycling in theory, but in practice, the mana needed to cycle can short you of the resources needed to close out the game. Plus, cycling spells tend to cost more to account for the added ability. Cycling lands on the other hand should be fine as long as they come in untapped, although it looks like that only describes Ash Barrens and Blasted Landscape. Just like with creatures, I wouldn't run any spells that cost more than 2 unless they can win you the game like Soul's Fire can. This will also allow you to run 20 lands or fewer, opening up even more slots for gas. I apologize if I'm repeating myself about the low-cost-high-speed thing but that is basically the reason the infect mechanic exists. If you prefer a slow and more controlling style, Rakdos wither built around Necroskitter is a fun option that has some overlap with infect.
11 months ago
tacolover25 I've seen Contagion Clasp used in similar builds, especially when they focus on Infect or are built around Necroskitter... in this build I think it may be too slow, and 2-drop is prioritized for Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons due to that card being targeted relentlessly by removal. Thanks for checking out the build, and also for the suggestion. Cheers!