Creature — Demon
At the beginning of your upkeep, draw a card unless target opponent sacrifices a creature or pays 3 life.
|Have (3)||CompleteWaste , Sakkes , vashaclarens|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
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Indulgent Tormentor Discussion
2 months ago
This is a very nice Kaalia of the Vast build. Quite possibly one of the best I've seen on the site actually. Well done. I notice quite a few similarities with my own build Fear, Faith, and Fury. I think the only difference really being mine is possibly a bit more defensive while yours is a bit more offensive.
I played a game last night where I was able to steal an opponents Bolas's Citadel with my Hellkite Tyrant and then proceeded to win the game with it because I already had my own Necropotence in play. Great combo those two. Now begins the painstaking process of deciding what to cut from my list to add a Bolas's Citadel.
A couple cards you're running I've been wanting to playtest myself (Liesa, Forgotten Archangel / Lyra Dawnbringer / Sower of Discord / Utvara Hellkite) how's your experience been with these? Have you found them to be worth a slot in the deck?
Now some recommendations if I may... you seem to be running quite a few cards that will protect Kaalia of the Vast, but one vital one your missing is Robe of Stars. This is essentially a repeatable Teferi's Protection specially for your commander, and with the amount of ramp cards you have, shouldn't ever be an issue to activate. Seems like you may be somewhat lacking in card draw (personal preference probably, I tend to run more than most ppl), but some additions you might like Harvester of Souls / Indulgent Tormentor / Syphon Mind / The Immortal Sun. I also noticed in a previous comment you removed some extra combat spells, but some nice extra combat on a stick would come in the form of Scourge of the Throne.
Apologies for the long comment, this is just one of my all time favorite commanders, so I get excited whenever I see another great list. Again, very well done. Cheers
3 months ago
Thanks for a bit of feedback Dangerwillrobinson79! When I started out this deck I considered putting in Waste Not and Urza's Incubator but decided not to. Also I noticed Consuming Aberration in your deck which was another card I was considering putting in because of how big I might make it and it combos with Undead Alchemist. Another thing I considered as an alternate win condition was Liliana's Contract since there were some other demons I was considering putting in to generate even more value like Indulgent Tormentor, Reaper from the Abyss, or Kothophed, Soul Hoarder to name a few that I think might work well in this deck. Also Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath is more of a maybe card since I don't know if I want to keep it in or not.
3 months ago
Curse of the Cabal Feels to slow and with the prevalence of the cookbook deck, I see this as a blow out against me.
Temporal Extortion I had thought about it, but I was going budget. If I find some spare cash I could certainly see it in the deck.
Pain's Reward I had thought about it, but it feels like a potential blowout where the opponent could force me to bid too much for needed card draw.
Indulgent Tormentor 5 mana CMC and dies to bolt. That didn't feel right to me. If it was either a bit cheaper or had a higher toughness I would consider it.
Desecration Demon Maybe a possible include if the deck needs more creatures. Against a deck without creatures, or with very few creatures, it could be great. However those types of decks usually run either heavy removal, bounce, or something of the like. Also I kind of want the pressure to be on their life total more than the board state.
As for a legacy deck, my experience in legacy in minimal so I can't comment too much on the meta and whatnot, but it could be fun. Currently I am planning to test a different kind of jank there being Eight-and-a-Half-Tails with a enchantment called Earnest Fellowship to nullify most threats to my creatures and run Rune of Protection: White to protect myself. The deck will run Norn's Annex and Ghostly Prison to deal with creature decks.
3 months ago
You might want to consider making a legacy version, since it gives you a bunch of interesting options:
10 months ago
1 year ago
Hey, nice start on a budget. Chaos can be a tricky theme to build.
The avg. CMC of your deck is very high at 4.3 with only Sol Ring as reliable ramp and only having 35 lands. This 4.3 number means you will consistently not be casting a card until earliest turn four, more like turn five. Not doing anything for the first four turns or more is not fun in Commander because you risk basically not having any board presence at all before turn five. My advice is add some ramp in place of a few high CMC cards (5 CMC or higher). Doing this will reduce the avg. CMC and ramp will make it easier to cast spells especially Showstopper.
Some cards for ramp to consider adding:
For the cards to consider cutting you want to make a choice of what are the best cards you want at the high end of the mana curve? Having lots of both high CMC Chaos cards and big creatures is too many high CMC cards. Showstopper is the six drop creature you want to cast. Cards to consider cutting to add more ramp:
- Capital Punishment
- Creepy Doll, Stuffy Doll
- Reiver Demon, Indulgent Tormentor
- Demon of Dark Schemes, Lord of the Void
Reanimation is a good secondary strategy when playing so many high CMC creatures. Reanimation needs enablers to get creatures into graveyard which is good with Patriarch's Bidding and Demons. Consider expanding on reanimation? Another reason to add enablers for reanimation is Anger. A haste enabler to give your high CMC creatures haste, attacking with them the turn you play them especially Showshopper.
Some card changes to consider:
- Sin Prodder > Mogg Assassin
- Stormfist Crusader > Murder
- Chaos Wand > Volatile Rig
- Confusion in the Ranks > Risky Move
- Stolen Strategy > Captive Audience
Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
Overall, looks fun! Glad to see you have Liliana's Contract in the list, I remember when I first saw that card and this is the perfect place for it.