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Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
: Draw a card, then discard a card. If there are five or more cards in your graveyard, exile this, then return this to the battlefield transformed under this permanent's owner's control.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
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Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Discussion
2 months ago
Thanks for taking time to check me out, zapyourtumor!
I've wonder about Jori En, Ruin Diver for the longest as well. I honestly run Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip primarily for the creature half. I'll run Jori En in Jace's spot, but I worry that the mana curve is bloated at 3 with him and Irencrag Pyromancer.
I see Expressive Iteration as a win more card for me in this build. I could be completely wrong. I'll test it out last and once everything else seems solidified. Probably in Improbable Alliance's spot.
I've ran this iteration with Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time before. The nonbo with Cryptic Serpent always felt bad. I recently added Serpent. Despite its unassuming nature, it definitely has helped me stabilize some matches. I think I'll try to squeeze in 1 Dig because that value is way too good to write off.
Crackling Drake was always so hard to cast. The mana and color requirements were always so hard on me. Especially when I found myself having to shock or ping myself for the mana way more than I'd like. 4 mana by turn 6 always seems harder than it should, and I feel anxious when I don't have mana open for a Lightning Strike or Negate.
Thanks for the feedback!
6 months ago
multimedia thx again these are some really good ideas the only one i'm not going to cut atm is Martial Coup I like the flexibility of it bring both giving me tokens in a pinch and being a board wipe if necessary. Most likely will not add Magus of the Bazaar as even if he a repeatable looter I never liked looters that take more than they give but just my problem. Nor will i add Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip, yes he repeatable looting but only for a time and while his walker form is powerful I don't know if it helps this deck. Windfall / Jace's Archivist will most likely add one not sure if both, Archivist is what im leaning toward as it repeatable though can be remove easier while Windfall is one time but is not as easy to say no to so yeah. If you think of any more ideas pls let me know
6 months ago
Hey, you're welcome. Nice updates.
Omniscience + Acererak the Archlich is a neat combo for repeatable venturing and win condition, but Omniscience is going to be difficult to cast. Consider Resurgent Belief as a way to cheat Omniscience onto the battlefield with reanimation after looting it? Get Omniscience into your graveyard with Entomb , Unmarked Grave and Vile Entomber . These cards can also trigger Sefris if you instead get a creature such as Reassembling Skeleton .
Another direction to consider for Omniscience + Acererak combo is an infinite mana combo of Deadeye Navigator + Peregrine Drake which also can be repeatable venturing with any creature who ventures when it ETB since Deadeye can infinite blink it. Could include a card that draws when it ETB such as Baleful Strix that way you could infinite blink Strix to draw Omniscience + Acererak, to cast them with infinite mana to combo. Strix is a creature that's nice with Tortured Existence to recur to cast/draw again/dies again and has deathtouch defense.
One of the advantages Sefris has as Commander is he can be a repeatable source of venturing. Because of this you need less venturing from other cards. Consider cutting some clunky cards that venture and replace them with creatures who loot for more venturing with Sefris?
- Gloom Stalker : even with double strike this guy is lackluster.
- Clattering Skeletons : four drop who has to die to venture is subpar compared to other cards that venture.
- Shortcut Seeker : four drop having only 2 power and no evasion means this guy is going to have trouble doing combat damage to a player.
- Veteran Dungeoneer
- Zombie Ogre
Other cards to consider cutting:
- Temple of the False God : have no land ramp, it will not tap for mana until turn five or six and that's if you make your land drops.
- Calculated Dismissal
- Contact Other Plane
- Martial Coup
- Doom Blade
Consider repeatable loot? Can loot on an opponent's turn to potentially venture with Sefris.
- Compulsion : can activate it to loot on each player's turn.
- Geier Reach Sanitarium
- Jace's Archivist : repeatable Windfall .
- Magus of the Bazaar
- Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip
- Obsessive Stitcher
Master of Death can be repeatable surveil 2 as well as a creature who can return to your hand at your upkeep. Both these abilities can enable Sefris to trigger more venturing. Master is good with looting since he's a creature to discard to trigger Sefris and he returns to your hand to do it again.
6 months ago
I like the idea; I'd consider subbing out Quench for Censor and/or some Jwari Disruption Flip. I also like Frantic Inventory , and more importantly with Mystic Sanctuary , Tragic Lesson is an absolute house. I also think that without looting effects, 4x Mission Briefing is a little much; honestly, card advantage is probably more important than recursion, as you're not looking to max out big spells so much as play a lot of them. If you mainboard some mass-bounce, it could be worth it to run a couple Briefing, but I think things like Behold the Multiverse , Chart a Course , etc could be more helpful overall.
I also think with the full playset of Sanctuary, 4x Castle Vantress is too much as they don't add to island count; I think going down to just one or maybe two would be better, especially since by the time you'd be using them for value, you're generally either already winning or already losing.
I think Unsubstantiate is decent, but especially if you swap the other soft counters for hard ones, it may be worth changing out for Into the Roil to have a spell on four that clears the way for Skulker and adds to your draw count.
Finally, another card to consider (probably over Homunculus) is Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip. Especially with lots of draw spells, you're likely to flip it early, and it both adds to draw count for Skulker and once flipped won't be bounced - though it would be better in a build with Frantic Inventory or other graveyard synergies to get it going ASAP. I think this swap is more of a tossup compared to the stuff suggested above, though.
I want mono U to work in pioneer, so I love this. Cheers!
6 months ago
Your mana is currently a bit of a mess. You want untapped black on T1 for the hand disruption and then UU and BR on T2 to with Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger and Counterspell together, almost guarteeing starting the game at 16 life. As the game continues you want BBRR for Kroxa and UUU for Snapcaster Mage + Counterspell. You also have double island, which is going to be extremely awkward with Kroxa, especially since you going to be fetching them pretty often to save life in the aggressive matchups. As it stands in your build you're going to be taking 6+ damage from your lands per game, especially since you have 9+ shocks. I would per cut 2 Steam Vents and 2 Watery Grave and 1 Bloodstained Mire to add a 2 Creeping Tar Pit for a man-land late game, a Mountain to have a painless untapped red source and some Darkslick Shores for untapped painless black on T1. You could also play some Field of Ruin to help in the Amulet Titan and Tron matchups.
As for cards you currently don't have any methods outside of the Lurrus of the Dream-Den + Mishra's Bauble engine to draw cards or gain card advantage, which is extremely easy to disrupt and is going to lead to a lot of situations where you're going to be out ground in the Control mirror or by Stoneblade decks since both these types of decks can deal with Kroxa easily. Search for Azcanta Flip is a good method of doing this, it bins cards for Kroxa and works well with counterspells. I'm a big Expressive Iteration fan, although it works best in a discard-based control decks and more Aggressive Grixis Builds since you can play [Inquisition of Kozilek] and Thoughtseize proactivly. Cryptic Command is another way, although it is basically unplayable in the same deck as Kroxa due to mana requirements and is much better in a blue-based Sprite Dragon Grixis control version.
I'd also play 4 Lightning Bolt . It's in a very good position in the current meta and a large number of games are won by Bolt Snap Bolt. If your playing Kroxa Thought Scour is extremely good. It increases the amount of T4 Kroxa being cast while also milling Brainstone activations and Snapcaster targets. Collective Brutality is very good against aggro decks like Burn. Dauthi Voidwalker is a very good card against decks like AsmoFood and BR Midrange and can be played in the main deck or the sideboard. I also Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip in these still of decks as a way of gain card advantage that can be replayed with Lurrus, although it is mostly a pet card for me and isn't really competitive.
6 months ago
They changed the uniqueness rule for planeswalkers a while ago so you can have multiple walkers of the same character out. They are just legendary so you can't have multiple of the same card out. That's why Jace, Mirror Mage has the text that the copy tokens it makes of itself aren't legendary.
7 months ago
8 months ago
Thanks! You should check out the Modern Esper Goryo's Vengeance deck (first popped up around 2017). It has the same core of Obzedat + Goryo's Vengeance as well as Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip as a discard outlet and another reanimation target (Vengeance gives Jace haste, so you can flip him with his tap ability immediately, fizzling the exile trigger). I had a lot of fun with it back then.