How would leovold work with teferi's puzzle box
Asked by Icedragon100 7 years ago
Okay- so Leovold, Emissary of Trest and Teferi's Puzzle Box how do these work? Do you draw before or after Teferi's Puzzle Box effect triggers? It's after right?
A quick Google search would give you your answer, the rulings say you draw for turn before the puzzle box takes effect so basically your opponents draw, can play their card if it's an instant, then discard their hand.
Please just do a little research before asking next time, some scenarios are really complicated and need explanation but this one was invredibly easy to solve.
November 9, 2016 9:09 a.m.
If Leovold, Emissary of Trest is just entering the battlefield and Teferi's Puzzle Box is already in play, Leovold's ability is effective immediately; so if an opponent (of the person that controls Leovold) has already drawn a card, even earlier in the current turn, they cannot draw more.
If both are already in play or Puzzle Box is just coming into play, Leovold's draw-one-card ability overwrites Puzzle Box's draw effect so that each opponent of the person who control Leovold may only draw once per turn.
Gatherer:
- Your opponents can draw a maximum of one card on each players turn. Subsequent card draws are ignored.
- If an opponent hasnt drawn any cards in a turn, and a spell or ability instructs a player to draw multiple cards, that player will just draw one card. However, if the draws are an optional cost to generate an additional effect ([That player] may draw two cards. If he or she does, [effect] or similar), the player cant pay that cost in full and cant draw any cards.
- Leovold will see cards drawn by opponents earlier in the turn on the turn it enters the battlefield, although Leovold cant affect cards drawn before it entered the battlefield. For example, if an opponent draws two cards, then Leovold enters the battlefield, that opponent cant draw more cards that turn, but the two drawn cards are unaffected.
- Replacement effects cant be used to replace draws that Leovold disallows.
- If you and a permanent you control each become the target of the same spell or ability an opponent controls, Leovolds ability will trigger twice.
November 9, 2016 9:12 a.m.
Icedragon100 says... #4
Alright! Thanks! (Also very rude livingham, it's very easily confused bc the card states "beginning" usually at the beginning is before you start anything so this is a very valid question)
November 9, 2016 9:45 a.m.
I wasn't trying to be rude, I was just pointing out that you would have gotten the answer if you had just used Google. The first result when looking up a card is almost always the rulings page and this is where you should check before asking any questions. Situations often can be confusing and it's great to ask for help, but in this case it takes 10 seconds to find the exact answer you need.
November 9, 2016 10:07 a.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #6
This is what the Q&A is for, why berate someone for using it correctly?
Those of us who regularly answer/peruse the section are here to help every person. Complicated question or not, we are happy to answer to the best of our knowledge.
November 9, 2016 1:17 p.m.
I'm not berating anyone and, in fact, you're actually berating me at this point. I answered his question and made a suggestion for what to do next time he has a question about rulings considering it took longer for him to make this thread than it would for him to look up the rules.
I'm all for getting help from the community but if everyone were to make a post whenever they're unclear about something that could be easily solved with a quick Google search, then the forums would be bloated with unnecessary topics.
November 9, 2016 1:33 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #8
While we're in the business of correcting one another: you condescended to them, answered the question, then implied they were stupid for not being able to figure it out on their own.
The Rules Q&A area of the site is intended for users to ask questions regarding game rules, tournament rules, and card interactions, and for other users to respond with helpful and constructive answers to those questions. If you aren't interested in either of those things, please save your valuable time and don't post.
November 9, 2016 2:32 p.m.
I was not condescending in any way, I really don't see what makes you think that. You say the Q&A section is here to help other players? Well I helped another player by answering his question and informing him how to look for said information in the future to save himself time. Saying that this is like insulting him is like saying teaching someone to fish is insulting them and saying they're too stupid to fish.
November 9, 2016 2:59 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #10
It's the manner in which you responded. Your comment came off as very arrogant and implied the OP was incompetent/stupid. In addition, while an interaction may be obvious to you, it may not be to another player, which is one of the reasons why the Q&A section exists. Implying they're stupid for not simply knowing it or knowing what/where to search is an unfair/berating judgment.
November 9, 2016 6:48 p.m.
My comment was neither arrogant nor did it imply the OP was incompetent or stupid. At this point, you're the one berating me/being unfair and I really don't appreciate it. I took the time to find the answer to the OP's question, inform him of the correct answer, and let him know how the easiest way to solve a problem like this in the future.
You're talking about harming the integrity of the Q&A board but I don't see you even attempting to help the OP, you're just going off on someone who's actually trying to contribute to the community.
November 9, 2016 7:09 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #12
So in 11 replies I haven't seen one that attempts to explain why you draw for turn before "beginning of draw step" triggers go on the stack. Drawing a card is in a special class of actions called "turn-based actions" that do not use the stack and can not be responded to. Most turn-based actions happen at the beginning of a step or phase and no player gets priority (therefore no triggers are put on the stack) before they happen. The one oddball turn-based action is mana emptying from players' mana pools and it happens at the end of each phase and step and no player receives priority in the step afterward.
The turn based actions are:
Phasing permanents in and out
Untapping
Drawing a card on your draw step
Declaring attackers
Declaring blockers
Setting a damage assignment order
Assigning combat damage
Dealing combat damage (yes, assigning and dealing are two different turn-based actions)
Discarding on the cleanup step
Damage wearing off and "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects ending (yes, these two things are a singe turn-based action)
Mana emptying from players' mana pools at the end of each step or phase
nobu_the_bard says... Accepted answer #1
Your draw for turn always happens immediately at the beginning of the draw step, before triggers.
Combined with Teferi's Puzzle Box, each player will get their draw for turn, then the box will trigger. Opponents will put their hand on the bottom of their library and not draw more cards (because Leovold, Emissary of Trest's "can't" overrides it).
Oh and incidentally Anvil of Bogardan is similar. The discard part is not skipped even if the draw is.
November 9, 2016 9:08 a.m. Edited.