Hero's Downfall

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Brawl Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Pre-release Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Standard Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Hero's Downfall


Destroy target creature or planeswalker.

wallisface on Dimir-Ninjutsu w/ Neo Dragon Spirits

2 weeks ago

If you’re looking to improve this, here’s some general tips:

  • The deck is currently running waay too many cards as 1-ofs and 2-ofs. This makes it pretty impossible to form a coherent strategy, or have any form of reliability. The vast majority of the deck should be run as playsets (4-ofs). A good approach for new deck-builders is to pick 9 cards, and run playsets of each of those (making 36 cards) alongside 24 lands (for a 60 card deck).

  • your mana curve feels very high. Yes, there are alternate costs to a bunch of your cards, but you still have 6 cards which will unavoidably cost 4-or-more mana (this is quite high, considering a lot of these also cost 5-6, which is outside the range decks can typically justify).

  • Ninjitsu decks generally want lots of 1-mana evasive creatures so that they can make the most of their ability - i don’t see that here. Specifically, i’d be expecting stuff like Changeling Outcast, Slither Blade, and/or Ornithopter.

  • You’re currently running a lot of weak/inefficient cards and should he looking to upgrade these where possible. For example, Hero's Downfall being a 3-mana killspell makes it incredibly weak, and really should be Fatal Push. Likewise, Return to Action is very weak when there are multiple cards with this effect __(or better)_ for only 1 mana.

Profet93 on Wilhelt and Sheoldred unite!

4 weeks ago

Teferi's Puzzle Box - Doesn't serve any purpose unless I'm missing something? Cut it

Murderous Rider/Hero's Downfall > Murder

Bontus monument is not bad, its a decent choice for sure. I personally wouldn't run it here because your commander is 4 mana so it doesn't help you "on curve" (Cast ur commander one turn earlier). Same with chromatic lantern. There is something called the Lantern trap in which if it helps you a lot, then you need to work on your mana base to be less reliant on it. If it doesn't help you with your mana base, then it isn't worth the inclusion. Lantern is typically used in 3+ color decks.

Idk what your budget per card is, or if you want to use tutors. Tutors are blacks biggest strengths, getting what you need when you need it is crucial.

Let me know more about what you want the deck to do and I'll see if I can provide any further assistance. Zombies are fun!

legendofa on Why is Black Now Allowed …

1 month ago

While Shatter the Oath doesn't have any drawbacks, it's also more than double the cost of an equivalent enchantment removal effect in or . So while it is unconditional and unrestricted, I would say it's very mana-inefficient. In fact, let's compare it to Hero's Downfall, which seems to be the current baseline for black removal.

Let's say that destroying a planeswalker is equivalent to destroying an enchantment plus creating a small Aura. Assuming that to be the case, it's barely half as efficient as Hero's Downfall. I would further argue that outside of an enchantment-heavy draft setting, the option to destroy a planeswalker is the more valuable choice. (There are, of course, plenty of destroy-on-sight enchantments and underwhelming planeswalkers, but as a broad and general rule, planeswalkers tend to demand more attention.)

Even comparing it to Murder, it needs a massive mana cost increase to match what or especially can do for 2-3 mana (Banishing Slash, Destroy Evil). There are more limiters than adding drawbacks and restrictions. Mana efficiency is the next big one, and Shatter the Oath is far from efficient. This is a draft common, and I suspect it will see next to no Constructed play.

It's worth keeping an eye on to see if it turns into a long-term trend, but my current position is that it's an appropriate effect.

azja on yuriko edh 500

1 month ago

Hey thanks again for your comments on my primer :)

A few suggestions I have:

  1. Replace 2 mana enablers with weak/no abilities (such as Dimir Infiltrator and Gurmag Swiftwing) with 1 mana enablers (like Gudul Lurker) or stronger 2 mana enablers (i.e., Baleful Strix, Augury Owl).

  2. Replace 3 mana ramp (like Basalt Monolith, Dimir Locket) with 2 mana ramp (i.e., Dimir Signet or Talisman of Dominance).

  3. Soft permission spells such as Spell Pierce and Mana Leak are usually weak in budget/lower-powered pods because the games go longer. Some potential replacements could be Misdirection, Drown in the Loch.

  4. Cancel, Murder, Hero's Downfall, Perplex, Connive / Concoct and Rite of Undoing seem quite weak to me. Some budget-friendly cards I like that you might want to play are Curtains' Call, Portent, Far / Away, Discovery / Dispersal, Submerge, and Murderous Cut.

Good luck in your tournament!

legendofa on Golgari Skelly Bobs

1 month ago

Welcome to the club, Nezkul! I always get excited when I see a Skeleton deck.

To offer some specifics on wallisface's tips, the planeswalkers don't offer too much to your plan. Garruk, Cursed Huntsman in particular doesn't pull his weight in this deck, at 6 mana for either a couple of expendable bodies or some removal and draw. (Don't rely on a planeswalker's ultimate; unless your deck is loaded with proliferate effects or very hard control, more often than not you're not going to reach it.) Lolth, Spider Queen is a little better, since your Skeletons can be easily reclaimed. Still, though, it's primary function is as a draw engine, so maybe Phyrexian Arena or some "burst" draw like Village Rites would work better.

For removal, Hero's Downfall is more flexible than Murder, and has been reprinted enough that it's very affordable. I don't see your creatures getting more than maybe 3-4 toughness on a good day, so Grim Contest might not be the best option. There's lots of pretty good removal at 2 mana, so that is a potential switch. Prey Upon needs either Skeletal Swarming or Death Baron to be fully useful, so switching it for Bone Shards might work better.

Persistent Specimen is a decent 1-mana skeleton, as is Rimebound Dead if you can find some Snow lands.

Above all, have fun!

nuperokaso on Orzhov Sacrifice Clerics

3 months ago

nuperokaso on Ninjas and Rogues

3 months ago

Remember that you are an aggro deck. As such, you want to lower your mana curve. You don't want to give up on card advantage, but you are willing to ignore life gain and pay some life instead.

griffstick on infinite rats

4 months ago

No it is to narrow especially since you're not running any plainswalkers. Pile On is better in this deck however you've got a solid package of removal including Hero's Downfall. Also Sarkhan is not a big deal. Just swing into it.

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