Creature — Hydra
Primordial Hydra enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
At the beginning of your upkeep, double the amount of +1/+1 counters on Primordial Hydra.
Primordial Hydra has trample as long as it has ten or more +1/+1 counters on it.
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Primordial Hydra Discussion
1 month ago
+1 my dude! @your reddit post,
More lands imo. Also more big ramp... seems like Vorinclex is a big target for removal, so ramping up to 15+ mana a turn seems like the way to go.
I think the biggest problem is that you're splitting themes and trying to jam infect. A lot of seemingly powerful cards don't have synergy with the rest of the deck. Only ~12 cards directly create +1/+1 counters. So (eg.) Hardened Scales really does nothing.
...Cut incidental Infect:
-1Phyrexian Swarmlord... I love this card but, even when you're all in on infect it isn't that good...
(I think the other infect cards with 5+ power as soft, 2-card combos with your commmander are viable).
...Cut fatties with no evasion:
-1Rampaging Baloths... incidental 4/4s aren't worthwhile
-1Ulvenwald Hydra... no synergy
3 months ago
I have a lot of experience with mono-green Assault Formation in modern and legacy casual, so I'll toss in some of my thoughts.
Perfect curves certainly aren't necessary, but you should be able to accomplish something on each of the early turns of the game. More than just playing any old card, it should be something that fits in with your overarching gameplan. I agree with cutting Adventurous Impulse as a 1-drop for this reason. It can't get you Formation, Bow, or any other noncreature combo piece you happen to be running. I'd usually run a Llanowar Elves style dork instead in a ramp list. Still, in walls, I think there are even better options than that. My personal favorite is Traproot Kami since it adds an early defender to the pool and can become a serious threat with Formation if the game goes long. Plus, it works well with the lands-matter strategy that Oran-Rief Hydra is also part of. Other options I've had less success with are Jaddi Offshoot for life, Portcullis Vine for cards, and Saruli Caretaker for slow mana. On 2, Sylvan Caryatid, Gatecreeper Vine, and Wall of Roots are all ramp options, but you're probably fine with just Battlement and Vine Trellis. Wall of Blossoms, however, I view as a must-have if you want to maximize your mana without running out of gas. The ability to up the defender count while replacing itself is so good that I even run a playset of the slower Carven Caryatid too, but this could be excessive depending on the deck. The last defender I'll mention is Tree of Redemption. It's more expensive, both in CMC and in dollars, but it is an undeniable threat with Formation. Higher toughness also makes better use of tricks like Sheltering Word and Feed the Pack.
For the top end of the curve, you might actually be underestimating how much mana the ramp walls can net. With your current setup, you only need 2 of either Guardian or Battlement and 1 other wall to have 9-11 mana on T4. Removal is obviously the biggest obstacle to this being a reality but it seems like you're preparing for a counterspell-heavy meta in a big way. Either you use your protection on the walls and win with Formation when they stop your bombs, or they wait to remove the bombs and you have protection saved up to stop them. Honestly, it feels like you might have too much defense in the mainboard but I'll touch on that later. My point here is that you are likely to have more than enough mana to cast threats much more substantial than the Hydra, and that's without modifications to your suite of defenders. In the current version of my deck, it isn't strange to have a game like: T1-Forest+Traproot Kami, T2-Forest+Overgrown Battlement, T3-Forest+Wall of Blossoms+Axebane Guardian, T4-Forest+Genesis Wave for x=9. Oran-Rief Hydra is a totally fine card to top off at if you build around it, but right now I don't even see it being better than Terra Stomper in a lot of games (and Stomper even has built-in counter protection now that I think about it XD). To get more value out of the Hydra, I'd swap the cycling lands for cheap fetches like Evolving Wilds to double up on landfall triggers, and I might also consider some +1/+1 synergy cards in the vein of Hardened Scales or Hydra's Growth. On the subject of landfall, Vinelasher Kudzu is an interesting option that fits with the plant/wall cards, at least thematically. Mechanically, Undergrowth Champion, Rampaging Baloths, and Avenger of Zendikar are all probably better. I've already mentioned Genesis Wave, but some other options for finishers that I've seen are Archetype of Endurance, Hydra Broodmaster, Primordial Hydra, Vigor, End-Raze Forerunners, Colossus of Akros, pretty much any eldrazi, and any red x-spell that can target players. If you choose something with x in the cost, having Umbral Mantle or Freed from the Real to generate infinite mana is beneficial.
The last thing I'd like to talk about are your noncreatures. As I mentioned before, 4 countermagic blockers seems a little excessive in the main 60. I personally struggle much more with Path to Exiles, Fatal Pushes, and Searing Bloods than Counterspells on most days, so I'd usually prefer the Vines of Vastwood or the flexible Veil of Summer. However, I don't know what your meta looks like. If countermagic is a big problem, another way to get around it is to add in plenty of redundancy. Instead of running only 4 bombs, run 8 so 1 is more likely to slip through. Savage Summoning and Insist are fine answers, yet they run the serious risk of becoming dead cards if your opponent isn't playing blue. Of your instants though, Subdue seems to be the weakest to me. It looks like it will usually be a bad Awe Strike or an inverted Berserk that can't contribute to damaging the opponent. If you had cards to benefit from toughness outside of combat like Kin-Tree Invocation, it could at least serve a similar role to Glyph of Destruction in Wall of Blood/Rite of Consumption decks. The final card I might reexamine is Bow of Nylea. generally, mass deathtouch is at its best when you either have a way to force damage (like Lure or Thornbite Staff) or when you want to create a disincentive for your opponent to block (like when running a Curiosity deck. The thing about a high power is that it already allows you to kill multiple blockers and the thing about trample is that it already discourages single blocking. Deathtouch on such a creature is therefore a little redundant. Sure, it's better to have it than not have it, but it might not be worthwhile if it comes at the cost of 3 mana and a card. I'd want some concrete way to take advantage of the Bow's activated ability to justify running it. For example, my G/W enchantment lifegain deck from Theros standard used the gain 3 life ability to buff Ajani's Pridemate. In your case, the +1/+1 might be the best choice to build around since it can overlap with the Hydra's trigger.
4 months ago
This is an awesome deck ..I dig what you are doing...I know Most of these aren't elves but here are my main thoughts... maybe Aggressive Mammoth for universal trample what's cooler than an elf army that has trample..Majestic Myriarch because your creature output is off the chain and it doubles the power..and an elfy suggestion Presence of Gond most notable when paired multi color ie Midnight Guard but over all might fit well with this deck. For counter fun via Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar add counters etc so as expensive and frankly overused as it is Doubling Season may be helpful though you did say budget...so my suggestion would be some of the hydras instead Primordial Hydra, Voracious Hydra, Hungering Hydra, Vastwood Hydra which let you play early or build up and the The Ozolith to keep the extra..As for PlanesWalkers Any of the Nissa's would help you out tremendously but the one I thought for sure you would have for sure was Nissa Revane...the only potential problems I see with this deck in general is its lack of flying and or reach / protection from flying...so might want a few spiders etc Watcher in the Web is particularly gnarly and Arboreal Grazer has the benefit of low mana cost and land fetch.
4 months ago
Primordial Hydra may be the best Hydra in the game. I highly suggest it in this deck.
5 months ago
Post reland slivo fetch and shock
Primordial Hydra > Farseek
Reyhan, Last of the Abzan > Nature's Lore
Arcane Sanctum > Arid Mesa
Darkwater Catacombs > Bloodstained Mire
Opulent Palace > Breeding Pool
Sandsteppe Citadel > Flooded Strand
Skycloud Expanse > Godless Shrine
Sungrass Prairie > Marsh Flats
Vivid Creek > Overgrown Tomb
Vivid Grove > Temple Garden
Vivid Marsh > Watery Grave
Vivid Meadow > Windswept Heath
7 months ago
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9 months ago
The are a few reasons why I removed Primordial Hydra the first being that far too often I would pull it off of the top of my library when activating Golos, Tireless Pilgrim which means I cast him for 0 on "X".
Lastly, I feel like the deck does not interact with Primordial Hydra as well as other decks that abuse "X" costs do. It felt like I was trying to keep the hydra in the deck to stay on upkeep theme.
Now that I have Privileged Position in the deck, I can now better protect cards like Solitary Confinement, Form of the Dragon, and Paradox Haze which are all very big targets for removal for my opponents.