Archetype of Finality

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Modern Legal
Legacy Legal
Vintage Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Duel Commander Legal

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Born of the Gods Uncommon

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Archetype of Finality

Enchantment Creature — Gorgon

Creatures you control have deathtouch.

Creatures your opponents control lose deathtouch and can't have or gain deathtouch.

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Archetype of Finality Discussion

Exxie97 on Off With Their Head! (Queen Marchesa Politics)

6 days ago

Hi dlamars, in my opinion I would never give the monarch to someone else voluntarily. It just doesn't seem worth it to take damage, let them draw a card, and have to blink the queen just for a 1/1 deathtouch, unless I made some kind of deal with them beforehand. If you are in need of tokens try Martial Coup(it also functions as a board wipe which is great for your deck), or if you want the deathtouch try Archetype of Finality, or just go with Ophiomancer which give you both. Hope this helps.

KillTheIslandUser on Alesha, Who Thinks Death is a Joke

1 week ago

Siege-gang and ankle shanker are useless in the deck. You are not a super wide deck so ankle shanker doesn't do anything. If you thought the first strike and death touch proc upon entering combat, it doesn't. He is going to be very lack luster in this deck. Archetype of Finality does it better.

Siege... you dont do anything with goblins... so why? The enchantment you have is slow with this... and you are paying mana to do dmg. There are better ways to do it. You have 2 goblins, he doesn't do much at all. There are other ways to go about getting use out of sac outlets.

Entomb is a card you need. It will help you get another combo piece in the graveyard, at instant speed. Also why Redcap? You aren't playing Ana-Fenza to go infinite... he's just a worse version of the goblin that dies and deals 3 dmg Mudbutton Torchrunner.

Couple other quality of life cards, and or creatures that can help ya increase the consistency of this deck.

wakawakawaka on Death of a Thousand Pits

2 weeks ago

have you considered adding Archetype of Finality and Basilisk Collar since you have a bunch of pingers

Abres_Tenelles on Queen Marchesa EDH

3 weeks ago

Interesting deck idea.

Offbeat suggestion, but Angelic Skirmisher, might help deter attacks. Granting an ability each combat, not just your own.

Dread might be too difficult to consistently cast, but Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts fills a similar role to it.

Archetype of Courage and Archetype of Finality also make attacking you super undesirable. Especially should you get both into play at once!

BlueScope on Deathtouch from beyond the grave

1 month ago

What Epochalyptik describes seems to be the key point for me as well, as the fact that abilities exist on the stack independent from their sources seems to be clear to the questioner here.

The concept of last known information is a different matter, though, which basically means that if a source would do something and has changed zones since it's activation, the exact qualities that object had when it was in that zone are used to determine the result of the ability (for a different explanation, refer to 112.7a quoted above).
This means that if the Pyromancer is destroyed, whether it's ability deals Deathtouch is based on whether it had Deathtouch when it changed zones. Therefore, A and B are very much synonymous in this case.

The way question C is phrased, it depends which creature they were talking about - Archetype of Finality's ability indeed only works as long as that creature is on the battlefield, so if you were to Swift Reckoning the Archetype (assuming it was also tapped), by the time the Pyromancer's ability resolves, it will not have Deathtouch anymore.

Lurac on Deathtouch from beyond the grave

1 month ago

Assume that my opponent has a pinger in play, like, say, Prodigal Pyromancer. He gives the pinger deathtouch, e.g. with Touch of Moonglove, and I have a conditional instant removal, say Swift Reckoning in hand.

I cast my removal in response when he tries to ping my creature. in this case, the pyromancer will die before the ping hits. My questions:

A) Does the Deathtouch from ToM still affect the ping, even as the pinger is no longer in play

B) Would it be the same case if the pinger had deathtouch printed on it?

C) What if the deathtouch was granted by a continuous effect, like Basilisk Collar or Archetype of Finality? As far as I can understand, that effect is bound to stop when the creature leaves play.

McDeity on Need help cutting cards please!

1 month ago

Cards that immediately jump out for having too low of an impact for most tables:

-Child of Night

-Pulse Tracker

-Vampire Outcasts

-Vampire Cutthroat

-Vengeful Vampire

-Archetype of Finality

-Bad Moon

-Cabal Ritual

-Dark Ritual

-Sorin's Thirst

-Tyrant's Choice

Some of these may just be in there because they were available, which is fine, but if you're looking to trim the fat, these are the ones that struck me as the worst inclusions.

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