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Thorn of the Black Rose
Creature — Human Assassin
Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
When Thorn of the Black Rose enters the battlefield, you become the monarch.
Thorn of the Black Rose Discussion
2 months ago
2 months ago
4 colors and no Arcum's Astrolabe ? That's really greedy of you.
I don't quite understand why your deck is only running one Mnemonic Wall when it's essential to the deck and you can't tutor it.
Your deck feels pretty weak to removal that exiles, such as Unmake or Ob Nixilis's Cruelty , to non-elf swarm tactics (namely, goblins and slivers) and to Thorn of the Black Rose and Palace Sentinels decks. I'm not sure how you fare against burn either, as it feels like you'll probably lose pre-board and your best shot at winning post board is getting Ephemerate + Hallow + Mnemonic Wall which is unlikely to happen twice in a row.
Overall, this feels like Teachings Tron that doesn't play the Urza lands in order to play Skred effectively but lacking the access to the Urza lands means you can't make good use of Mystical Teachings as you're not floating in a pool of mana. You do, however, get rid of the Crop Rotation + Expedition Map + Prophetic Prism package that is essential to playing Tron, which leaves more slots open but I'm a bit skeptical still.
5 months ago
I don't get it but here are some good possible additions Smothering Tithe , Sphere of Safety , Anguished Unmaking , Thalia, Heretic Cathar , Grand Abolisher , and Thorn of the Black Rose . Cool list though
7 months ago
Nice respond time XD. Anyways I am thinking the following:
Circular Logic : Awsome, this makes you so much more dangerous to play against.
I agree with you entirely on your engine choices; since they are so vulnerable perhaps a couple of Dive Down s might be used main or side board if you think your not able to keep your engines alive long enough. I really like the survivor duo btw the more I look at them.
Drop an edict and a duress perhaps. That way you keep your disruption and removal fairly at the same level. 4 Brain Gorgers the second and third game can do terrible things. Because at worst its a no flashback edict. Best its a 4/2 for 2 slamming your opponents face. YOu want to be aggressive with this deck and this card is aggressive.
Ehhhhhh Careful Study is a poor mans Faithless Looting . Still it is a one drop discard 2 outlet. so perhaps a 2 of or one of main board? You could drop a Sign in Blood but I'm not really sure which is the right option. As to Looter il-Kor YES. A one or two of that can really help you loot through your deck. No clue what you would drop help. Perhaps one of each survivor? Thorn of the Black Rose is an EPIC draw engine and blocker.BUT WHAT TO DROP?!
I hope this helps a little but there are too many ways to tweak this deck. My suggestion is to just pick things that ENHANCE your combo through their synergy with said combo. Otherwise you are going to build a entirely new deck (which is not a bad thing.)
7 months ago
Thanks for the nice words and feedback! I'm honestly not sure what's up with Circular Logic . I tried changing the printing but it still shows as an illegal card despite it definitely being pauper legal.
I was just talking today with some people who suggested putting in some cycle lands, I wasn't sure if it mattered whether they are Barren Moor or Lonely Sandbar . I will definitely do that though. Makes them way more valuable in late game.
I had thought about Putrid Imp and Aquamoeba but both are pretty vulnerable to ping (amoeba opens up when I activate its ability) and I liked the relatively more hearty Dragoon with the evasion it gives. I settled on Oblivion Crown as the alternate/supplementary engine since it can allow Cunning Survivor and Grisly Survivor to become even more threatening while being a little more difficult to remove (at least that's my inexperienced thought).
I really like the idea of Gorgers for applying pressure but I'm just not sure what to take out for them. Maybe I don't need Duress and Divest in the sideboard, so I can move some removal (of which I have a lot) and put the Gorgers in.
I'm also wondering if I should have some way to draw. Something like the Careful Study I have in the maybe board. It's why I was also considering Looter il-Kor . I've also kicked around the idea of a Thorn of the Black Rose for the draw that comes with Monarch.
Sorry for the lengthy reply and thanks again!
7 months ago
8 months ago
9 months ago
Tortured Existence is a great example of a grindy enchantment.
While not an enchantment per se, Thorn of the Black Rose is something that gets you slower to the point you want to go to.
There could really be an Orzhov enchantment control deck in the works.
Thorn of the Black Rose occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.0%