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Thorn of the Black Rose
Creature — Human Assassin
Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
When Thorn of the Black Rose enters the battlefield, you become the monarch.
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Thorn of the Black Rose Discussion
1 week ago
Okay. it seems like I need a lot more draw, so I'm going to move in the direction of permanents that draw cards, because they work better with malfegor. I'm also getting rid of a bunch more discard spells, and a couple draw cards that I think could be better.
7 months ago
Looks good so far...Here are some quick ideas for you...Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder makes 5 tokens just from casting your commander, if you feel like you run out of dorks too fast. Some more 1 power guys with cool ETB/death effects: Disciple of Phenax, Golgari Thug, Weaponcraft Enthusiast, Pilgrim's Eye, & Thorn of the Black Rose. Living Death & Victimize to recover from removal. Some more permanents that will synergize: Gate to the Afterlife, Genesis Chamber, Dark Prophecy, Skullclamp. I'm not sure about a lot of the discard angle the more I think about it, discard can be very hard to make work in multiplayer. You may really have to go all in on that strategy to make it work well. Soldevi Adnate is a lesser known sac outlet that should be awesome. Nether Traitor keeps coming back for more fun. Hope this was helpful, happy gathering!!
7 months ago
Thorn of the Black Rose seems like a good fit here, even if it is just for flavor adding to the 'Tyrant's Choice' theme. It's starting to pop up more established builds, even replacing Gurmag in some cases.
10 months ago
11 months ago
Pestilence seems like a one-shot thing, as most of your creatures die from it, too. Is it really worth it?
Queen Marchesa seems off here. If all you want is the extra card draw, It would be better to run Palace Jailer, Palace Sentinels or Thorn of the Black Rose, as you can recur them with Alesha, Who Smiles at Death.
You already have Luminarch Ascension in the maybe board. It should tick up quickly in this deck. If you don't control your anti-creature enchantments regularly, I can only recommend playing it.
1 year ago
I absolutely love the deck. After seeing this I am now determined to make my own variation including some of the following suggestions. Btw this is so long because its also a note to myself.
The Inkmoth Nexus and Blinkmoth Nexus won't come back because Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker says to return the creature card; they are land cards regardless of what they were on the battlefield. I recommend replacing them with Reliquary Tower and notably Winding Canyons. With all the ways of getting mana on others' turns you can use it quite effectively. Other lands you should consider include: Volrath's Stronghold, Crypt of Agadeem, Westvale Abbey Flip, High Market, Lake of the Dead, Vesuva Maze of Ith and Wasteland (instead of Tectonic Edge.)
Glistening Oil seems a little out of place. Are you using it to make your larger creatures small enough to be returned? If not then you have no reason to play it. If so then you should cut it because there are much better options. You could use Fevered Convulsions to achieve the same thing faster despite the mana investment (and you can use it on enemy creatures.) However, I recommend Sorceress Queen instead, for not only serving the same purpose but also being more versatile and being a creature with power 0 it fits very well.
I don't like Kiku, Night's Flower here because it cant answer anything immediately with summoning sickness and is far less efficient (and fast) than your already insane amount of removal. I recommend replacing it with Zulaport Cutthroat as another Blood Artist. You can also add Falkenrath Noble
At first glance AEther Vial looks really good considering all the 2 and 3 drops. but after thinking about it I realized that there is a far better option you can use: Vedalken Orrery. You may have to spend more mana but you can use it multiple times every every turn rather than once each turn rotation once you get an altar out.
Other cards you could consider are: Marionette Master, Summoner's Egg, Triskelion, Triskelavus, Mesmeric Fiend, Weaponcraft Enthusiast, Noxious Toad, Wild-Field Scarecrow, Dutiful Attendant, Workshop Assistant, Gnawing Zombie, Chimney Imp, Insidious Bookworms, Disciple of Phenax, Fume Spitter, Rotting Rats, Ravenous Rats, Corrupt Court Official, Vampiric Rites, Dark Prophecy, Contamination, Shadows of the Past, Sheoldred, Whispering One, Gate to Phyrexia, Disciple of Griselbrand, Harvester of Souls, Mindlash Sliver, Deathgreeter, Kalastria Healer, Altar of the Brood, Altar of Dementia, Black Market, Disciple of the Vault, Blasting Station, Abyssal Gatekeeper, Bitter Ordeal, Buried Alive, Palace Siege, Soot Imp, Tree of Perdition, Spine of Ish Sah, Trading Post, Solemn Simulacrum, Thrull Surgeon, Slithery Stalker, Ashen-Skin Zubera, Geth's Grimoire, Killing Wave, Necroskitter, Thorn of the Black Rose, Myr Moonvessel, and Arcane Lighthouse (just in case they have a Sigarda, Host of Herons or something.) Also if you can afford it: The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale.
1 year ago
A lot of your cards are simply too low-impact to be worth playing, like archetype of courage, celestial archon, underworld coinsmith, garrulous sycophant, knights of the black rose, marchesa's decree
crown of doom, bladed pinions and norn's annex are pretty weak too. I'd also cut reliquary tower because not making colored mana is a pretty big drawback especially for a 3 color deck, and your deck doesn't draw nearly enough cards for it to really matter
what you really need is more mana ramp and card draw, like Rakdos Signet, Orzhov Signet, Boros Signet, Talisman of Dominance, Fellwar Stone, Gilded Lotus, Painful Truths, Night's Whisper, Read the Bones, Ambition's Cost/Ancient Craving. Cut the weak cards, add ramp and draw, and your deck will run twice as well.
If you really want more become-monarch triggers, Thorn of the Black Rose's deathtouch is honestly more relevant than the knights or the decree
I think Always Watching could be fun here
Debt to the Deathless is pretty good
1 year ago
@GoldGhost012 Yeah I have noticed that being the monarch can be a liability if the game gets stalled. One of the people in my pod played Phyrexian Arena and Thorn of the Black Rose, then proceeded to deck himself. He even gave a Goblin Balloon Brigade a Ghostly Possession for maximum durdle.