Thorn of the Black Rose
Creature — Human Assassin
Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
When Thorn of the Black Rose enters the battlefield, you become the monarch.
|Have (2)||Squillis , metalmagic|
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|Commander Legends (CMR)||Common|
|Mystery Booster (MYS1)||Common|
|Conspiracy: Take the Crown (CN2)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Thorn of the Black Rose occurrence in decks from the last year
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Thorn of the Black Rose Discussion
1 day ago
Week 1 Swaps
Opened 6 packs Lorwyn, replacements are in no particular order.
1 week ago
This looks so fun! This has actually made my day, and i'll do anything I can to help. I was just thinking about how wizard's support of pauper has been lackluster at best, and i was thinking all sorts of crazy things, like pauper only sets. This though could be an actual pauper product that I could imagine happening. in other formats like Modern, legacy, or even standard, it is very difficult to do this, for such a kit, even one with just a couple of decks, would be hundreds or thousands of dollars, which is just totally unattainable. However, in pauper, 3 decks, perhaps powered down ones, could be sold for 100 dollars or less. Thinking that you might have an emphasis on multiplayer, here is my advice.
TLDR: This is a great idea.
Delver-It would be a hard call to try and have a box like this without delver, but for multiplayer it might have to be adulterated a bit. the counter package might want to be dialed down a tad, but cards like Thorn of the Black Rose and also more card draw might be in order in order for it to compete in a multiplayer setting.
Tron-I think tron would do well in a slower multiplayer game. Of course it is a decently customization deck, so perhaps a version with a really big payoff would be good. I think
affinity-probably my favorite affinity of any format, this is also probably the most applicable to multi player play. Compared to other pauper decks, the deck has some pretty big creatures, even ones such as Somber Hoverguard, which happens to be a personal favorite. I think that with a bit more card draw the deck might be a real force, one that comes out of the gates quickly but has enough big creatures to remain in the game. because of this, you might actually want to power down this archetype a tad bit, perhaps putting Frogmite over an indisputably better multiplayer card like Myr Enforcer Of course, only testing will tell.
Land destruction-This might be more applicable as more of a ramp deck, because land destruction will kill tron in a multiplayer game and die to everything else, but Entourage of Trest and some of the new cards from commander legends (the cascade one that I cannot remember) can really make a sort of dreadmaw stompy deck that would be really fun.
Mono-green aggro-I can imagine games where this archetype would kill everybody quickly, leveraging the damage dealt by other decks to kill each player, until the remaining player(s) are left facing a pretty big board with no way to deal with it. I can imagine other games where a couple of creatures are not enough and the green deck is not able to kill quickly enough to race the more powerful strategies of other decks, consider Lead the Stampede as a way to get back into games.
finally...Bloodbriar- this feels like the epitome of the sort of pauper decks you are looking for in the longer games. it grinds like crazy, and I think that its massive creatures with wreak havoc if carefully placed among flying removal spells. This archetyp eis not one i have had much experience with, but after testplaying I can put the fatalzintomyum seal on how disgusting it would be in this playstyle.
TLDR:You don't gain much if you didn't read this, I guess
I will continue to follow this thread with quite a bit of interest, and there might be some more very long comments incoming.
1 week ago
Hey! Great deck you got there. Really good synergy and I liked the control build. I would add hate cards like Aven Mindcensor, Vryn Wingmare, and some more pillow fort cards like Sphere of Safety and Norn's Annex. Just for the sake of being wholesome, I would cut Felidar Sovereign, it's really not a fun card and you already have interactive and fun wincons in the deck. Lot of enchantments in the deck, so Idyllic Tutor and Mesa Enchantress. Monarch can't be bad here with how taxing attacking you should be once you get set up, so Thorn of the Black Rose and other monarch cards seem pretty good here.
As for cuttables, Megrim seems like it won't be relevant very often, you don't have a good discard package. Angelic Accord won't be doing much for you, as a 4/4 every couple turn isn't exactly efficient. Night's Whisper and Thought Distortion are all good, but there are better cards that can net you more value. I would also cut a basic or two as you already have a solid amount of rocks. Cheers
1 month ago
I'm wanting to get into pauper and I've narrowed down the deck I want to build down to izzet faeries or dimir faeries.
Well anyway what are your guys thoughts on the two decks?
1 month ago
If you equip Thornbite Staff to Thorn of the Black Rose who has deathtouch already. Equipped creature has ", Tap: This creature deals 1 damage to target creature or player" and "Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard from play, untap this creature." So essentially it is 2 mana to kill a creature. And everytime you kill a creature thornbit Staff untaps the creature
If you equip Thornbite Staff to Blood Cultist and Zagras, Thief of Heartbeats is in play, you simply just tap the Blood Cultist to deal 1 damage, this kills the creature and thornbite Staff untaps the cultist
1 month ago
You don't have a ton of card-draw, and I also recommend at least eight pieces for almost any deck. Graveyard recursion, especially the good ones, definitely count as card advantage in my book, so Phyrexian Reclamation is great here, as is Whisper.
Grim Haruspex and Disciple of Bolas are on-theme. Thorn of the Black Rose and Custodi Lich are fun creature-based choices too. Some other classic choices are Ambition's Cost, Ancient Craving, Promise of Power, Liliana's Contract, Syphon Mind, Castle Locthwain, and Read the Bones. Palace Siege is okay, especially if you feel you need more recursion. Diabolic Servitude is nice and repeatable. Victimize and Blood for Bones are a great rate. Oversold Cemetery is nice too, though pricey.
Greed, Arguel's Blood Fast Flip, Skullclamp and Erebos, God of the Dead are really good but not cheap. Erebos, Bleak-Hearted, Yawgmoth, Thran Physician, and God-Eternal Bontu would be decent as well. Bonus points for some being threats/blockers.
Gonti, Lord of Luxury is an interesting choice for card advantage--especially if you can recur him out of the graveyard over and over.
Dreadhorde Invasion is a great source of sacrifice fodder. So are Grave Titan and Bitterblossom but they're expensive. High Market is good in case your commander get's Arrested or turned into an elk or frog or the moon. Rogue's Passage could help end games once Yahenni is huge.
If you find you can't close out games between all the groupslug aristocrat cards and Yahenni's damage, perhaps a few auxiliary groupslug cards could tip games in your favor. Most of the good ones are very expensive though. Bloodchief Ascension, Painful Quandary, Polluted Bonds, Wound Reflection, and Palace Siege et al. Torment of Hailfire and Exsanguinate are classic finishers too.
As far as cuts go... I don't love some of the creature-based removal. I know it's good because you can sacrifice them later but perhaps Morkrut Banshee, Skinrender, and Anowon the Ruin Sage could be cut. I don't love Devour in Shadow and Drag to the Underworld. You should be set on removal even with those five cuts. Feed the Swarm is worth noting! Mortician Beetle is a bit win-more but is uniquely suited to the deck and worth keeping for now. Probably makes a good blocker. Geralf's Messenger is a bit weaker than some of the token generators and recurring threats too.
Also, I don't know if you care (few do) but if you want an accurate price calculation for your deck you should put the cards in the Sideboard into the Maybeboard so they aren't added.
2 months ago
Well I guess it's always better to have a lower curve than a higher one, but I'd say it's also important to be mindful of curving out in order to maximize the value you get from playing lands, which is very difficult to do with a deck comprised exclusively of one and two drops, as it requires you to cast a higher number of cards from your hand on a given turn. This is compounded by the fact that your deck includes cards like Rotting Rats, as well as certain cards in the maybeboard, that require both players to discard cards; it seems like an inevitability that your deck will eventually slow to a halt once you run out of impactful things to play/cards to force your opponent to discard from their hand; that's always been the biggest thing I've disliked about dedicated discard strategies, and probably the only significant deterrent preventing me from brewing one up myself. Your deck is also lacking a true finisher; with all the cards that will inevitably end up in your graveyard over the course of the first few turns of the game, it may not be a bad idea to try out Gurmag Angler. A few other curve-smoothing options for you include Thorn of the Black Rose, Phyrexian Rager, Dusk Legion Zealot, and then maybe Bone Picker and Gray Merchant of Asphodel for a way to close out the game once your opponent is out of action. Defile and Snuff Out offer some nice, efficient removal as well, for adaptability's sake. I hope you find my suggestions helpful, and that I did a decent job of explaining mana curve to you.
2 months ago
@Snap157 great feedback. I have every card mentioned so I will be making a few of these suggested changes. Let me explain a few of these choices as well.
I'll be keeping:
- Mirrorpool for now, I may take it out but a land that can clone Gyruda sounds fun.
- Sire of Stagnation because I feel like landfall strategies are going to become more common after Zen Rising and I have a foil one and I love the art.
- Crush of Tentacles is in the deck for flavor reasons, I put it in instead of Cyclonic Rift.
- Rise of the Dark Realms just because I love big flashy plays that do dumb stuff.
Cards I'll be swapping out
- Ravenous Chupacabra, it's a single target so maybe I'll swap him for Slum Reaper, I don't know for sure yet.
- Thassa's Oracle, I had Doomsday in here but I took it out because I don't like ending games early. I play for fun and love long, grindy games. Maybe I'll add in a fail-safe like Dread so I don't kill myself with my own commander.
I'm still figuring out what to swap out for some other suggestions but I plan on adding Rhystic Study and probably Thought Vessel. I am currently running Thorn of the Black Rose instead of Phyrexian Arena because I could get her off a Gyruda trigger.
I really appreciate the feedback!