obeka, brute chronologist interaction
Asked by The_Overlord_666 3 years ago
hey guys just rule checking
planning on building an Obeka, Brute Chronologist commander deck, but first i want to see how her turn ending ability interacts with other cards:
- Firecat Blitz : how does it effect tokens that disappear on the end step
- Alchemist's Gift : how does it effect abilities/+1/+1 that were given by cards that last till the end of the turn
- Sneak Attack :cards who's abilities ends at the end of the turn.
4.Final Fortune : cards that make you lose the game at the end of turn
thanks
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #2
Oracle text is important. There are actually three options of how they can interact and timing is important in one of the cases.
Firecat Blitz (Create X 1/1 red Elemental Cat creature tokens with haste. Exile them at the beginning of the next end step.) - Triggers on the next end step, regardless of if it is the end step of the turn they were created. If you end the turn before the end step they will trigger on the next end step that happens. If you end the turn during the end step, in response to the exile trigger, you will keep them forever.
Alchemist's Gift (Target creature gets +1/+1 and gains your choice of deathtouch or lifelink until end of turn.) "Until end of turn" effects like this and Threaten effects wear off during the cleanup step. Ending the turn skips to the cleanup step of that turn, so these effects will still wear off.
Sneak Attack (: You may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield. That creature gains haste. Sacrifice the creature at the beginning of the next end step.) Same interaction using the same reasoning and timing as Firecat Blitz.
Final Fortune (Take an extra turn after this one. At the beginning of that turn’s end step, you lose the game.) Triggers on a specific turn's end step. If the turn is ended at any time before the resolution of the trigger, the trigger will have no effect.
December 6, 2020 9:07 a.m.
OneTrueMeme says... #4
I believe the text for Final Fortune is "at the end of that turn, you lose the game" not "during that turn's end step you lose the game". Based on that, I feel like Obeka would not affect that card.
December 28, 2020 5:16 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #5
I copy/pasted oracle text for each of the examples. Oracle text, not printed text, is always used when determining how a card works. The exact oracle text of Final Fortune is "Take an extra turn after this one. At the beginning of that turn’s end step, you lose the game." It is an end step trigger on a specific end step.
Boza says... #1
1 firecat blitz - they stay forever. 2 alchemist's gift - does not retain the buffs. 3 Sneak Attack - the creature stays 4 Final fortune - you will not lose the game
In general, if it is a trigger at the end of the turn (keyword "at" denotes triggers), then Obeka can erase it. Otherwise, if it has the word until like Alchemist's Gift, Obeka does not affect it.
December 6, 2020 8:40 a.m.