Escalate - Discard a card. (Pay this cost for each mode beyond the first.)
Choose one or more -
-Target opponent reveals his or her hand. You choose an instant or sorcery card from it. That player discards that card.
-Target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn.
-Target opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
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Collective Brutality Discussion
2 days ago
Apollo_Paladin, I appreciate the suggestions, though there are a few problems with them.
Unstable Frontier is, honestly, nothing more than a meme. Yes, it makes the third mode of Funeral Charm better, but just that. The last mode is nothing more than an added bonus. Giving swampwalk is just a cute trick that can help close a game. If I wanted to go down this route, I'd just run more copies of Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth .
Witch's Vengeance can be kinda useful. Still, it's a bit too situation. If I were to swap my boardwipes, I'd just run Damnation , as it's more effective. The ability to leave my creatures intact is a decent upside, I just don't know if I'd rather have a boardwipe, in the sideboard, that's good against any board or that's good against some decks.
Inscription of Ruin is completely off the table. While it's technically correct to say all of its modes are useful, at 3 CMC they aren't good enough. Making an opponent discard two cards of their choice for three mana isn't good, hence why something like Mind Rot has basically never seen play and Hymn to Tourach is an insanely powerful card. The Unearth "effect" also isn't good. It does seem nice to reanimate some of the cheap creatures but this list has only eight targets that cost two mana. Honestly, I don't want to spend three mana for a two mana creature. The last mode is just a worse Fatal Push or Bloodchief's Thirst . On the other hand, Collective Brutality gives me knowledge about my opponent's hand while also allowing me to pick the card, which could, and probably will, be a removal spell, thus being better than an effect similar to Unearth . It's decent removal that bypasses indestructibility and regeneration. And last, but not least, the drain mode can actually help against burn/aggro matchups and minimises the the lifeloss from Castle Locthwain and Thoughtseize . The cherry on top of all of that is I don't need to pay extra mana for extra modes, which is great considering this deck caps out at four mana.
Call of the Death-Dweller is basically in the same spot as the Inscription, so I'll just talk about what's unique to it. Giving menace and deathtouch isn't really worth the cost. I could just run another equipment that gives something similar.
There are quite a few reasons why Fatal Push is better than Bloodchief's Thirst . Chief among those is the fact it's an instant. Aside from Thoughtseize and the singleton Raven's Crime , the deck has no true turn one play. Funeral Charm is something that can be played turn one but isn't really wanted. Fatal Push allows for a better use of my mana on the first turn, whereas the Thirst forces me to wait until turn two unless I'm on the draw. That being said, I'm actually considering swapping one copy of Yahenni's Expertise for one Thirst.
Sorry I took so long to reply and my reply seems like I shitting over your suggestions. I do appreciate the time and effort you took to comment.
4 days ago
Poseidon31, I've seen quite a few people advocate against the expertise. However, I want to at least experiment with it a little.
One of the problems of the deck is it wants to be a control deck that doesn't want a lot of lands. While Phyrexian Crusader is amazing and the equipment are basically staples, not necessarily the exact ones I'm using, of any Monoblack Infect, they make the deck really slow. Another problem is this list really hates aggro and burn. The Expertise sort of fixes this, or at least helps more, in this case, than Damnation . Despite not literally blowing up the board, Yahenni's Expertise should clear the board of almost any wide board, while allowing the deck to maintain the tempo, something not a lot of other boardwipes can do.
I'm not saying Damnation wouldn't be better. In fact, I can agree that it could be more effective at clearing the board. However, I think, for Infect specifically, the Expertise can perform just a tiny bit better. Still, I'm still open to swapping it after playtesting it, once COVID restrictions are over, in case it doesn't performa as well as I imagined.
4 days ago
Neat build! Mono-color decks tend to be highly underrepresented in my experience & they are also a favorite of mine.
Some Unstable Frontier s could help you more reliably use Funeral Charm 's swampwalk for guaranteed poison hits. (Mana-free no less!) These can also be used strategically in certain instances to prevent opponent's from having the color mana they require to cast a spell.
Witch's Vengeance might make a good Sideboard replacement for use against Tribal builds over Yahenni's Expertise . This lets your limited Infect creatures remain in play and it's also less mana to cast.
Even though it's 1 more CMC, you might consider Inscription of Ruin over Collective Brutality since the options themselves aren't as limiting, and I struggle to see situations with this build where you'd actually want to be discarding from your own hand to pay for additional costs on this. A little "graveyard to play" for some of your cheap CMC Infect creatures certainly isn't an awful thing to have with a construction like this.
Call of the Death-Dweller might make the list too; at least on the Sideboard since it can fish out any creature in your current build. I notice you already touched on this topic above, which is why Inscription of Ruin might interest you; just the option among many, rather than mono-effect spells like Unearth .
Hope some of this helps, but either way I like your direction!
6 days ago
The biggest potential weakness I see in this deck is that there's a sort of "cost void" between your 1-drops and your big demons, and the biggest threats in the deck may not be the most mana efficient. For instance, I'd probably run Desecration Demon or Demon of Catastrophes in a sacrifice deck instead of Goremand . I imagine he's a pet card for you though, so maybe you could lean more into the reanimator angle to cheat him in quickly. Most modern versions seem to be running Goryo's Vengeance into Griselbrand and praetors still, but I tend to prefer the budget alternatives. Some additions to Blood for Bones and Gravewaker are repeated activation creatures like Hell's Caretaker and Whisper, Blood Liturgist . Unburial Rites is also fairly popular if you don't mind splashing white. For the discard, staples include Thoughtseize , Collective Brutality , Ransack the Lab , and Mind Rake . For sacrifice synergy, I think Smallpox and Sinister Concoction could be options too. I'm also a big fan of creatures that mill for this role such as Stitcher's Supplier (which helps to play the very useful Gravecrawler ) or the green Satyr Wayfinder and all its Mulch brethren. Reanimator lets you play other big threats too, some of which could be Razaketh, the Foulblooded , Eater of Hope , or Xathrid Demon to stick with the demon theme. Another card I see as being pretty expensive here is Soul Foundry . The aforementioned Hell's Caretaker can usually produce a similar result without the 1 mana tax every turn. Furthermore, the tokens it creates could interfere with Grim Haruspex , a card draw engine I usually prefer to Dark Prophecy (or maybe Harvester of Souls if I'm feeling spicy.) There is some downside in cutting noncreature permanents for their creature counterparts, so choose the option that is being hit by removal the least in your meta. If creature hate is a problem, maybe a Grave Pact or Dictate of Erebos could dissuade your opponents.
1 week ago
wow i honestly never knew Collective Brutality was that good... Ive seen it in so many sideboards/primers but until this discussion never really thought about it.... I just used Sun Droplet in combination with hand disruption and countermagic but maybe i should give this a try.
1 week ago
Have 4x Lotus Petal and run this in omni tell for the easiest legacy wins. The deck already spams cantrips and if you run those, it'd be easy to just dig through your deck infinitely after it sticks and you find the petal. Chances are you turn 1 or turn 2 cast the Show and Tell using the petal xD.
Use that and dig through the whole deck with infinite mana and card draw, then find a Karn, the Great Creator for Walking Ballista , Thassa's Oracle , or whatever else wins and win. A straight Collective Brutality could be instantly game ending, looping it with this infinitely. Playing against burn? Instantly kill them. Dark Ritual also would be infinite mana of all colors effectively too, so maybe run some number of that!
1 month ago
okay so a few things of note here.
first. i'd suggest running 4-ofs for your best cards. there isn't any clear reason why you'd want 3 ofs in this scenario except mogis who is legendary in which case it's fine.
second. Lightning Bolt. it's one of the best red cards in the game and it's cost effective way of solving problems cannot be understated. i think it's important that it gets a slot in this deck.
third. your win con appears to be Mogis/burn. Mogis is a very slow way to win. normally for a control deck you are controlling them until you can drop some threat that you can protect that will win the game shortly after that or at least create such a lock as to make getting out of it futile. mogis will never turn on in your deck so at most it's going to be 2 damage a turn from mogis assuming they aren't doing a wide strategy. perhaps a planeswalker like Liliana, the Last Hope who you can +1 to help remove creatures and win off of her ult.
fourth. your mix of control spells is heavily weighted towards destroying creatures after they hit the field. thats something you want to respond to but people play other cards that you'll need to deal with. enchantments like Wilderness Reclamation, artifacts like Amulet of Vigor and non-permanents of all kinds. you also will lose pace with decks that use creature that have ETBs such as Omnath, Locus of Creation and Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath which yes you can kill but you'll be losing card advantage. you need a few more proactive responses and ways to gain incremental advantage over your opponent. discard spells like Thoughtseize or at least multipurpose cards like Kolaghan's Command and Collective Brutality can help. other proactive cards such as Blood Moon and Ghostly Prison can shut down or at least slow opposing decks to keep them from racing ahead of you.
with the above things in mind i'd suggest something along the following changes.
cards to remove:
-3 Crackling Doom: soul shatter and other remove should be sufficient
-3 Lightning Helix: lifegain is great for stabilizing but the power removal comes from it's mana efficiency. on turn 2 being able to play a discard spell and hold up a Lightning Bolt for their creature is much more powerful than the life gain from helix. still a great card for sideboard to bring in against lightning fast agro decks like burn or zoo.
-1 Soul Shatter: i'm not sure you need any of these in the mainboard. you have Anguished Unmaking to get around indestructible should it come up. Dreadbore and Anguished Unmaking can kill planeswalkers. That leaves hexproof is the only thing that this gets around that you don't have an answer for already. hexproof is uncommon enough that i'd personally put this in the sideboard, but considering how many of this effect you have in your deck i'm assuming your meta has enough hexproof to warrant 2 mainboard slots.
-4 Divine Gambit: 1 for 1 at best, 1 for 0 at worst. the ability to exile most types of permanents is powerful but the downside seems too risky and likely to set you behind.
-3 Anger the gods: you don't need 7 soft sweeps. with the amount of removal you have a board wide damage spell is likely for hitting tokens or other wide strategies. for most of these scenarios 2 damage should be enough. in the scenarios where 2 isn't enough, 3 likely isn't either. Wrath of God or similar would be a better bet for those situations.
-1 Pyroclasm: you probably don't even need 4 soft sweeps in the main unless you are expecting a dearth of going wide strategies in your meta.
-3 Mogis, God of Slaughter: without a way to turn him on or a way to create a true lock outs like teferi-pool you aren't going to get as much value out of mogis as you need to make him your win con.
cards to add:
+4 Lightning Bolt: this is solid removal or a damage to face if you don't need to use it as such.
+2-4: Thoughtseize: considered one of the best discard spells in the game because it hits basically everything at the cost of 2 life.
+2-4: Duress: you can choose Inquisition of Kozilek or Raven's Crime or another discard spell of your choice. i'd suggest at least 6 discard spells and you can decide the split between your discard spells depending on how aggressive your meta is.
+2 Kolaghan's Command: small creature removal, artifact removal, discard spell. very versatile.
+4 Liliana, the Last Hope, a strong contender for win con. i went with 4 copies because it doesn't have innate protection and you want it early if you can as it provides good value.
+1 Path to Exile: to make it a 4 of.
+1 Fatal Push: to make it a 4 of.
??? Tibalt's Trickery: I don't know if this is a good idea in control. you are giving up a card to change what card your opponent is casting. but they are still getting something. so you are 1 for 0ing them in a way. if they are casting a spell like Scapeshift for the win then obviously this will help but the risk of them flipping an equally scary threat off the top is very real. but your choices in counterspell are pretty limited.
if you are willing to mess around with your mana base you can probably make good use of Blood Moon as well but that would require some careful maneuvering in a 3 color deck.
2 months ago
With black in the deck you get Never/Return as well as Grim Tutor, maybe fetching another Collected Conjuring. Inscription of Ruin in dreamland can be cast with kicker off of conjuring, but it still has two relevant options, killing tarmogoyfs and shadow cards. Pain's Reward is very risky, can draw tons of cards, but I would play it in a deck that can consistently have your opponent be at less life or have pressure on the board. Pelakka Predation Flip is kind of a freeroll, so that might be an option. Waking Nightmare effects might be too slow. Though the most value might seem to be accrued though getting 3 cmc cards, this is not as ruling as it is with coco. Thoughtseize is excellent hand destruction and has proven itself. Collective Brutality is just another way to sweeten the two for one. Night's Whisper and its ilk can be good, but better than the blue card draw? It would take testing to tell.