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Languish
Sorcery
All creatures get -4/-4 until end of turn.
capwner on How have your EDH games …
1 week ago
Massive and overdetailed game breakdown incoming, be forewarned
I've been testing this mono black control list and had some epic grind fests, I just finished an extremely long and hard fought game against Simic, Izzet Storm, and an upgraded Necron precon Szarekh, the Silent King. You'll never guess who the problem was. Ok this game was absolutely wild, so after about an hour of normal play i.e. simic is simicing and has a rhystic, I have necropotence and bowmasters (2 of my 3 gc's) and I'm keeping the game mostly under control, Mizzix player is totally cucked bc they keep losing their Mizzix, Necron guy is casting Necrons, and it's mostly a fight of Vannifar, Evolved Enigma trying to gain steam and me removing all their stuff except I can't touch the rhystic so we're both full up on cards. First crux of the game, Vannifar player plays Ixidron, I tuck my Crypt Ghast
under The Moment. On my turn I pop the moment and get my ghast back, clearing the rhystic but taking a lot of collateral. I tried to completely recover from the moment wrath via Yawgmoth's Will but Vannifar had a counter for it. So I do seem to pull ahead here, Mizzix just quits and I manage to get lethal on Vannifar. So then it's me and Necron guy. Enter the halfway mark of the game, a 1v1 now. He's at full and I'm at half. I have Crypt Ghast, Gauntlet of Power and both coffers so tons of mana, also I have Bowmaster and Yawgmoth, Thran Physician. My opponent has Caged Sun and Biotransference, and a good board of Necrons with a Trazyn the Infinite threatening to copy a Bolas's Citadel in the yard. I have Dimir Machinations and Languish but most of his stuff is too big, he's mono black so my gauntlet and his sun both pump him lol. I'm so low on life, at this point I need to %100 control the game or lose but I'm in a decent position to do it with the Yawgmoth. Here's my big choice, I use machinations to get Maralen of the Mornsong, then use Talon Gates of Madara to phase her out until my next turn. I take a hit here because I tapped to attack and kill Vannifar. I fumbled a little because I could have used the Yawgmoth and discarded some lands to -1/-1 and reduce my damage. I owned it and go down to 5. My turn, the Maralen phases in, I go down to 2 life. Can you guess what I get with her? Umezawa's Jitte. I needed some kind of life gain and Jitte was just about my last hope. Because I had so much mana and lands in hand, I was able to proliferate Jitte with Yawg and use both modes to perfectly Languish all the Necrons while pumping my board. I draw back up but nothing great. Their turn. They have huge mana too, replay their flying commander and make bonus necrons from Biotransference. Threatening lethal again. Back and forth, I'm CLINGING TO LIFE against these (still pumped +2) necrons, by using yawg ability and Jitte to snipe them and proliffing about 4 times a turn. He gets Bolas's Citadel on board, recurred via the commander. I got a harnessed The Soul Stone and recur Maralen to tutor on my turn, then sac her to yawg (she died to languish before). I still don't have enough life to go for the oppo lock because they are going too wide and I have to actively snipe necrons to stay alive AND prevent the lethal Bolas's Citadel activation. I have Maha, Its Feathers Night and Night of Souls' Betrayal which does NOT kill the necrons but brings them to X/2, I tutor and asymmetrical sweep again with Nuclear Fallout and finally we are are looking a bit safer. I'm still hovering at 1-2 life each turn (on Jitte life support, allowing me to maralen tutor) and barely keeping them off the lethal citadel activation. But I drew like ass, deck has no wincons only sorc speed removal, and I'm dead as soon as they can get 10 nonland perms which could be any turn. But I do have enough cards and mana to use yawg/jitte to stay alive. Finally, I draw Plague Engineer on a Massacre Girl trigger on their turn (responding to their trigger making the lethal necrons and sniping the existing ones). They pass. I use Soul Stone -> recur Maralen and get Engineered Plague. 39 cards left in my deck. I cast BOTH PLAGUES finally making the Necrons X/0 and they concede on the spot sealing the game. HOLY F*CJKSCING NECRONS!!!! Seriously was the most epic game I've had in a while and not at all who I expected trouble from in that pod. WELL PLAYED. Well PLAYED, Necron dude.
Beespair on
Rule the Galaxy [Kaervek, the Punisher]
2 months ago
Isochron Scepter is great, can make an instant occur way more times than I normally could and the instant imprinted can change depending on the playgroup.
I agree with what you said about Cabal Ritual, never really had the chance to play it in the games I played with the deck, but the graveyard does not often stay with 7 cards in it. Switched it for Sign in Blood, as you've mentioned, more draw could help and at the same time I like cards that can do more than one thing in EDH.
Vampiric Tutor is not really a budget issue, as I'm proxying the deck, but I have friends in my playgroup that don't and I try to keep it to cards they would normally have. I'm already justifying Imperial Seal because of its name and Word of Command because it's a fun card to use and it's mostly the lack of printing that justify it's high price.
I removed these cards from the deck:
Agatha's Soul Cauldron: Although fun and a cheap crime, I rarely get useful activated abilities, the +1 to toughness was it's biggest use IMO.
Cabal Ritual: As you've mentioned, the threshold wouldn't really happen often.
Languish: Yahenni's Expertise is just more fun, same CMC and the 4 to 3 difference doesn't change much of the purpose behind the card.
Ulcerate: Cheap removal, but I already have a lot and this one was the weakest IMO.
Cabal Stronghold: As you've mentioned, 17 basics is too little.
Swamp: Removed one swamp to fit an additional non-basic land. Cabal Stronghold is gone, no need to keep that many basics.
I then added these cards:
Isochron Scepter: So many cool options, just neglected it when deck-building because I've been too tainted by the Dramatic Reversal combo and I only think about it in this situation.
Sign in Blood: One more card draw, can also burn enemies and with this deck's recursion can be re-used.
Yahenni's Expertise: Just a cooler Languish.
Buried Ruin: Nice recursion on stuff I can't normally recur because it's colorless.
Deserted Temple: As you've mentioned, crime, politics, ramp with Cabal Coffers.
Sudden Spoiling: Cool tech against control and protected creatures.
I did not add Helm of Obedience, felt like the 4 CMC is a bit too high. I will try it in the deck to see if I want to change something for it.
I did not add both flash cards because I can cast stuff from the graveyard at instant speed if needed with a crime. There's also not much I'm thinking of that I would really want to get that is not an instant. I might be missing some situations though.
Beespair on
Rule the Galaxy [Kaervek, the Punisher]
2 months ago
Thanks for all the suggestions! Never seen Yahenni's Expertise before, it is really good, will definitely remove Languish for it.
Might change Ulcerate for Sudden Spoiling, not just for the effect but split second is really good at fighting other control decks, as you said, super useful tech.
Good point about Cabal Stronghold, definitely changing it for Buried Ruin.
Never thought about Helm of Obedience with Dauthi Voidwalker, super cool combo, I'll definitely include it in the deck.
I'll take a look at what to remove for the other suggestions, they are all definitely top choices and I completely agree should be in the deck.
Asder on Card creation challenge
1 year ago
Ascended Soul
Enchantment Creature ()
Bestow
Indestructible, Shroud
Enchanted creature has power and toughness 0/1, Indestructible, Shroud and can't be sacrificed by spells abilities you control.
9/9
Can be used as a Darksteel Transmutation effect, or if you reckon you can make the enchanted creature die (Languish type effects is the only stuff I can think off off the top of my head that would do it.) then you get a 9/9 to smack your opponent with. Might be a bit broken in cascade decks but I'm not sure how to remedy that without a wall of text.
Make another bestow creature
griffstick on Baleful Strix or Necromaster Dragon?
1 year ago
I vote Languish. This will wipe out all the easy things to sac. So when you attack with thrax you get something good
Rhadamanthus on Undying vs. Toughness Reduction
1 year ago
There are a few things going on here with some fiddly details but the result is that Young Wolf doesn't get brought back to the battlefield.
A creature dying for having 0 or less toughness and +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters removing each other are both handled by the game's "State Based Actions" (SBAs). Right before each time a player would get priority to take another action, the game checks for and performs any needed SBAs simultaneously, so this means Young Wolf dies at the same time its +1/+1 counter and one of the -1/-1 counters remove each other. However, "leaves the battlefield" triggers like Undying (a "dies" trigger is a special kind of "leaves the battlefield trigger") use information from the last moment an object was on the battlefield to determine what happens. At the last moment Young Wolf was still on the battlefield before it died, it still had a +1/+1 counter, so Undying won't return it from the graveyard.
The result from applying a -X/-X effect that doesn't use counters (like Languish, etc.) is of course the same.
Nordlys on
8-Rack
2 years ago
Hi there, I have some suggestions to consider, but overall looks pretty good.
Regarding your curve:
You're running Bontu's Last Reckoning instead of Languish or Extinction Event or Yahenni's Expertise which seems to indicate that you want to keep your max mana curve as low as three. But then you have Never / Return which needs 4 mana, Castle Locthwain which means 4 lands in total (including itself) and Hive of the Eye Tyrant which needs 4 extra lands to activate, meaning you would need 5 total lands (including itself) in order to use it.
So your curve is actually maxed at 5. I know your deck doesn't strictly need the 5 lands to work because most of it is topped at 3, but I'd use Mutavault instead of Hive (and add more Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to mitigate the colorless mana) in order to drop down that curve a bit and make the most of your man-lands. I don't know about you, but my matches are tight and I often need my lands to transform and attack, so Mutavault performs way better than Hive in my case. Hive is graveyard hate -which is always a good thing- but you've already have 4 copies of Go Blank and 2 Never / Return which seems enough for a mainboard.
Another curve related matter is the fact that if you're running 4-land spells and lands, you could perfectly include some Liliana, Waker of the Dead here. Probably not the full set, but I find her much more useful than Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage
Anyways those are my thoughts. You should play your deck as you prefer because, asides from winning, your deck should feel pleasant to you and that's an important aspect of playing and enjoying the game. Hope it helps.
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