Tormented Thoughts

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pauper Legal
Pauper Duel Commander Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Tormented Thoughts

Sorcery

As an additional cost to cast Tormented Thoughts, sacrifice a creature.

Target player discards a number of cards equal to the sacrificed creature's power.

griffstick on Board state getting you down? Try Nukes!

2 years ago

I love it and hate it.

I think you should cut like half the board wipes. And add cards like Village Rites, Burnt Offering, Deadly Dispute, Altar's Reap, Costly Plunder, Diabolic Intent, Tormented Thoughts, Morbid Curiosity, Mind Extraction, Momentous Fall, Natural Order, Life's Legacy, Eldritch Evolution, Metamorphosis, and last consider Bonds of Mortality. All of these cards pair well with your cmdr. Meaning you'll need less board wipes as you will always have it in the command zone.

Sanglier on Grab your shovel and dig

3 years ago

MrKillStar

Thank you, I think that Phyrexian Altar is a bit expensive for the deck, but Thornbite Staff seems great in order to untap Gisela, if I can put my hands on one I will add it to the deck! I've added Tormented Thoughts just to mess with my friends but I agree that it doesn't really belong in the deck

MrKillStar on Grab your shovel and dig

3 years ago

For the infinite etb/die triggers, you might also include Thornbite Staff attached to Gisa, together with something that can provide any amount of like Phyrexian Altar. I know you dont plan on buying any other cards and those two cards might be a bit more expensive, but just another option you can think about.

Im thinking about adding Gisa, Thornbite Staff and some other cards to my Syr Konrad, the Grim's For the Void deck, but its already hard enough to find any free spot... :D I run several cards as you as a combo pieces, so you might check those out, its a mix of aristocrat/reanimator.

I would replace Tormented Thoughts - since this isnt really any discard focused deck for Beacon of Unrest - just to have another reanimator spell that can hit anyone's graveyard, but more importantly, it can bring back some of yours artifact combo piece. Land budget variant could be Buried Ruin.

SynergyBuild on Hexaflexagon

5 years ago

Love your name, BTW I never heard of Tormented Thoughts, I will abuse it now that I know about it though!

qao50 on Mill and recreate

5 years ago

Removed:

1x Hover Barrier - Not a huge fan of defenders in decks as they usually stall out the game rather than add value.

1x Dreadwaters - not the most milling. if you had a higher land curve id say its fine.

1x Fog Bank - same as Hover Barrier

1x Returned Centaur - Not too useful as a creature, essentially paying 4 mana to mill four cards which you can get better value for.

1x Sidisi's Faithful - your deck isnt revolved around sacrificing and I dont think you have enough cards that you'd be okay with sacrificing for this to be viable.

1x Sigiled Starfish - Scrying is cool and useful, but once again more value can be added to this deck.

1x Wall of Frost - same as Hover Barrier

1x Wight of Precinct Six - Better options.

1x Mind Sculpt - In edh a one-use 7 mill card isn't worth. Every card should add good value.

1x Paranoid Delusions - If this deck revolved around unblockable attacking this would be good, but since it doesn't it's just a 3 mill card.

1x Reave Soul - This could also stay in, but most threats in edh are generally above three and this being a sorcery hurts its value.

1x Tormented Thoughts - Again, you don't have creatures to sacrifice, so I wouldn't use sacrificing as a function in this deck.

1x Chronic Flooding - This can be a good card if someone is mana starved, but more often than not it's gonna just make that one land go unused.

1x Macabre Waltz - Not the strongest way to get back creatures, getting them onto the battlefield is a more efficient use of your mana.

Addition:

1x Duskmantle Guildmage - can generate mill when you need and can combo with the first effect to do a LOT of damage.

1x Jace's Archivist - Drawing aspect, gets cards in graveyard, can give you a new hand. Great card.

1x Mortivore - this is Wight of Precinct Six on crack. Plus you can regenerate him.

1x Notion Thief - I'm almost mad I'm including this but this is busted. unfortunately, it'll probably get killed all the time.

1x Psychic Spiral - A lot of Mill potential.

1x Talent of the Telepath - seven mill and you get to steal one or two spells.

1x Diabolic Tutor - can never have enough tutors.

1x Mindcrank - This can honestly win the game.

1x Life's Finale - Board wipes are always nice.

1x Stolen Identity - Copying shit is nice, but the cipher is what makes this so good.

1x Manic Scribe - Not the strongest but can be nice. assuming its later in the game, four card types should be in the graveyard so thats 3 mill every upkeep.

1x Traumatize - Fuck this card.

1x Soul Manipulation - counter that also mills.

1x Whispering Madness - spell version of Jace's Archivist.

1x Startled Awake  Flip - 13 mill that can keep coming back.

1x Body Double - could probably get a better card to replace this. but late game when graveyards are fat this can come in handy.

1x Dimir Doppelganger - since you'll play other people who use graveyards, you can exile creatures from graveyards to make them unusable, while still getting your use.

Cards you can keep but I personally dont like in the deck:

Omniscience - omniscience is op and I get why you'd want it but your mana curve is pretty low and it costs so much that I doubt youd get it out and make use of it.

Altar of the Brood - I dont know how this plays in games, but you're not getting out a lot of permanents so i dont see how this works too well.

Gravepurge - this lets you get back any creature into your hand, which is good, but you could just get a card that puts it back onto the battlefield.

Thoughtscour - this is realistically just a draw card.

Ultimate Price - that monocolor restriction holds this card back so much. Doom Blade would be better if you want it to be a low price.

Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver - I dont know how to feel about this, the exile feature kinda messes with your use from the graveyard style but you can use the second effect to get some of the creatures. It puts all of those exiled cards into a world only he can interact with which makes him good and useful, but limits your decks synergy.

Animate Dead - theres a lot of revive from graveyard cards in this deck is all im gonna say. maybe too many.

Curse of the Bloody Tome - this is helpful and makes sure someones getting milled which is good, but two an upkeep isnt very strong.

Sands of Delirium - not bad and gives you ability to mill every turn, but this is only usable when you can't do anything since you need to have disposable mana.

Cards that should be abused more:

Sphinx's Tutelage - if you make your deck able to draw more this card can be ridiculously op.

Broken Cards you can add (may be Expensive):

Lich Lord of Unx and Undead Alchemist - are both great but you'd have to turn your deck into a zombie deck and it would make you rely less on other graveyards. I dont think relying on other graveyards is good. this could also add a sacrifice element and you could use cards like Altar of Dementia. - overhauling to a zombie deck would be expensive but i think it'd be really effective.

Tunnel Vision - this could be dumb busted, i saw a combo of if you have a card that lets you put on the bottom of someones library then use this you immediately mill them out. That's gay tho dont do that.

Trepanation Blade - this is some nice mill and adds damage and attack to a possibility of your deck.

Extractor Demon - you'd need to run zombies.

Dralnu, Lich Lord - i hate to say it but zombies is looking like the way to go. get more effectiveness out of your spells.

Phenax, God of Deception - if you want your deck to be less based around mill and more just blue black interactions this dude's good. can make a defender deck worthwhile. probably the best consistent mill card I've seen.

Havengul Lich - cast creatures from ALL graveyards. shit i might buy this guy.

Sewer Nemesis - good

Decree of Pain - boardwipes are op

GnomadicMage on Markovs Mardu Token Madness!

5 years ago

When you go to cut something next, I would put Call the Bloodline on the chopping block. You used to run several vamps with Madness, but since cutting those, this card loses a lot of its luster. I know it gives you something to do with lands you don't need, but I think there are better options out there. Also, look at replacing Skyblade of the Legion and Tormented Thoughts. I know cutting cards can be tougher than finding cards to add.

Ty had some solid thoughts on FB as well.

Haarva91 on Modern Torment

6 years ago

I love Torment of Hailfire, and it fits really well into this all-pox strategy! But is it not a problem to have 11 creatures in this deck? They are all well in the flavour, but you will pretty surely sacrifice them (even before casting a Tormented Thoughts)... I believe the most important ones may be the Crypt Ghast, since they allow to cast huge Torment of Hailfire or Death Cloud. Otherwise, looking at the enchants, I believe there are enough side effects without having to add creatures which will be fodder for your own pox spells...Also, your mana curve is quite high (and it doesn't even take into account the X in the costs). Maybe some of the higher costs enchants (and creatures) could be replaced by low-cost pox-theme cards? Tormented thoughts is potentially really good, but it's conditional and quite slow; more classical discard like Wrench Mind would be faster. Adding 1 or 2 Smallpox may add consistency to the early game too. Anyway, good luck with the brewing!

RicketyEng on The Lovely Ladies

6 years ago

With the release of Amonkhet we have some exciting upcoming changes!

Out: Curse of Shallow Graves, Tormented Thoughts, Fatal Lore, Gilt-Leaf Winnower, Nightsnare

In: Plague Belcher, Miasmic Mummy, Tattered Mummy, Dread Wanderer, Lord of the Accursed

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