Shadowborn Apostle

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pauper Legal
Pauper Duel Commander Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Shadowborn Apostle

Creature — Human Cleric

A deck can have any number of cards named Shadowborn Apostle.

, Sacrifice six creatures named Shadowborn Apostle: Search your library for a Demon creature card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library.

Made_Compleat on New hubs to be added

2 weeks ago

The thing is, it's harder to compare decks without hubs. Dragon's Approach, Shadowborn Apostle, Slime Against Humanity etc. are all themes on EDHREC, which encourages me to think that they should have their own hubs.

legendofa on Rat Colony hub

2 months ago

sergiodelrio I'm also avoiding loose and vague hubs names. They get used incorrectly or are broad to the point of all-inclusive.

Vague hub names have caused problems in the past. One hub in particular (Team America, now inactive) was being used for the wrong decks entirely. It's a Legacy tempo shell from 2008-2009, but was being treated as a synonym for any Jeskai deck, which is about as far away from the intended definition as you can get. I understand the source of the confusion, but a confusing hub is not a good hub, in my opinion. If it can't be understood at a glance, it's going to get reworked.

"Reduced variance" or "low variance" also already exists, kind of, as the "competitive" hub. The whole intent of competitive decks is to reduce variance as much as possible, so that the deck is as streamlined and consistent as possible. This is achieved through tutors, redundancy, deck manipulation, using playsets of cards, and so on. So what would be the criteria for inclusion in a "low variance" hub? I expect that a "low variance" hub would be highly subjective, used for any deck that its creator thinks is unusually consistent, whether or not it actually is.

I have also declined to put in a real tutor hub so far for similar reasons. How many tutors do you need to have to be a "tutor" deck? Is four enough, with Imperial Seal, Vampiric Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, and Diabolic Intent? What about Eladamri's Call, Green Sun's Zenith, Natural Order, Buried Alive, Terramorphic Expanse, Misty Rainforest, Mystical Tutor... What would be a short and solid description of a "tutor" deck? "A deck that regularly searches its library" would include landfall decks, almost every competitive EDH deck, "silver bullet" decks, and hatebear decks, all of which already have their own hub, and probably more. "A deck with seven or more card that search its owner's library" is arbitrary, as is any other number for inclusion. "A deck that regularly searches its library for specific cards that help it advance its win condition"--nah, I'm going to search for this useless card that doesn't help me at all.

Incidentally, "scry" is already available as a hub in the keyword/subtype checklist.

If a hub includes a $300 Dragon's Approach Pioneer deck, a $80 Elrond, Master of Healing casual Commander deck, and a $50,000 Vintage Beseech the Mirror deck, that hub becomes even broader than the aggro/combo/control archetypes, and as such becomes almost meaningless. I've added Dragon's Approach, Rat Colony, and Shadowborn Apostle to the short list for consideration, so they might be coming soon; I didn't see as many decks or as much diversity for Persistent Petitioners. And don't worry about a long post, as long as it's meaningful. It shows the idea has people willing to defend it and fight for it, which makes it more likely to be included one way or another.

legendofa on New hubs to be added

2 months ago

Felipix The problem with "unlimited copies" is that there's no real mechanical similarities between the cards that have that ability. A Rat Colony deck is different from a Shadowborn Apostle deck is different from a Dragon's Approach deck, aside from one deckbuilding rule change.

I'm not trying to shut down your ideas, I promise. And I might just add a separate hub for each of those cards anyway; I'll add them to the short list for review. I'm just wary of setting too strong of a precedent.

legendofa on Rat Colony hub

2 months ago

Felipix I generally don't like adding hubs based around single cards, but I agree that there's a good amount of diversity in the Rat Colony decks here. My big concern is that the next hub suggestions will be for Dragon's Approach, Shadowborn Apostle, Persistent Petitioners, and whatever else comes down the line. Is it worth it to have separate hubs for all these cards?

By the way, there's a thread to suggest new hubs here.

legendofa on Haunted Shadowheart

2 months ago

How about something like Restless Dreams, Insidious Dreams, or Black Market Connections to help clear Demon clogs? Those would help find Shadowborn Apostles as needed (or make Changelings to fill in for them). Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar is a strong draw engine by itself, but these options can help give it gas for the engine.

For staying power, what's the core issue? Creatures too small, not enough recursion, board wipe susceptibility?

Sc000t on Xiahou Doom

2 months ago

Profet93

Thank you for your time looking at the list and input! This list has been experimental for a while but its finally getting to play in public and some of your suggestions are going to be added in! I understand the lack of spells for the scepter might make that card look like a dud, but thats why the list has tutors to grab the right spell depending on the situation. The list is convoluted with multiple different lines to take. It's designed like that so it wont play out the same way each game. Sometimes its a turn 3/4 win other times its a messy hour and a half long game. Yes, Head Games is nuts!!! Especially with recursion, everyone gets a meme hand!! Suggesting Opposition Agent will be useful and in some cases, SPICY! Since this list does not revolve around Shadowborn Apostles anymore, Infernal Darkness looks like the right replacement. (Although everyone at one card shop HATES that effect) Playing with more control might be the best route to take since this list gets a lot of threat. Adding Karn, the Great Creator 100% and with some cheaper kill spells that would slow the table down for enough time to assemble the right pieces to have more time to win.

1) Insidious Dreams is not usually cast unless you have citadel on the field. It's a spell that you wouldnt cast if you suspected someone would counter it.

2) Sacrifice works effectively when Razaketh, the Foulblooded or Rune-Scarred Demon are out for extra mana to cast the high cmc spells you tutored with them.

3) Warlock Class is used for it's loss of life effect to start the Sanguine Bond + Exquisite Blood combo for 1 mana. The second reason it's in the list is the level 3 effect that mimics wound reflection, and would kill any player that pays half their life to counter Temporal Extortion.

4) Darkness is useful against some friends' lists that dish out a lot of damage. The spell can be recurred with Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed's ability but can also be put on the scepter.

From your suggestions: Karn, the Great Creator, Imp's Mischief, Syphon Mind, Opposition Agent, Mana Vault, Read the Bones, Sign in Blood, Peer into the Abyss, and Dauthi Voidwalker all seem to be good cards to add. Might consider moving Sensei's Divining Top from another list into this one for better card draw and also Skullclamp might make a return.

griffstick on help with Rukarumel, Biologist

7 months ago

Human is all over the place too and if you do human (or cleric) you can also do Shadowborn Apostle's

FormOverFunction on (Mid-power playgroups) Do you value …

8 months ago

SteelSentry the cards of this sort (that you’re allowed to have a larger number of than normal in your deck) generally trend high in price. Shadowborn Apostle and Relentless Rats being the two that first come to mind... I wish you luck on getting some wraiths!

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