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4 months ago
I'm still assembling the deck (expect the last pieces to be in my hands this week)
- I like Mazemind Tome, but will need to playtest it before making a cut call on that. If that goes out, I'll probably replace it with Rise of the Eldrazi.
- Don't want to get rid of Karn Liberated. I like him, and I have a borderless version I want to see table time.
- Blinkmoth Well, does not seem that important to me. Arch of Orazca is for sure a cut candidate. Could make room for Sensei's Divining Top.
- Yeah, no change
- Not win more. Adds a nicely scaling ramp at X >7, would not be without it. Voltaic Key combo is just a bonus, but cutting it would reduce value of adding Voltaic Key in the first place.
- Not going to cut Rogue's Passage. I feel I owe the table (and myself) some way to make those Eldrazi count! But I may be able to drop lands, just not too happy about it
- Budget is not a real concern, and I do have a metalworker somewhere. I don't think it will add enough to the deck, as I want my artifacts on the table and not in hand.
- Drownyard Temple is for sure not important. Can also do without Sanctum of Eternity though.
- I can't really find a good use case for Rise of the Eldrazi. I do think Artisan of Kozilek carries its weight with Annihilator 2. But could be a valid swap. They are both candidates for swapping in ulamog, the ceasless hunger
I guess potential changes could be:
- Arch of Orazca -> Sensei's Divining Top (semi-mitigated by ability to dig for more lands)
- Drownyard Temple -> Voltaic Key (semi-mitigated by ability to generate mana with 2+ rocks)
- Tyrite Sanctum (or just give up on the Urza's lands) -> Blinkmoth Well
- I want to find room for a Dark Depths, just because Thespian's Stage, but deep down I know it's not feasible!
2 years ago
the effect that i feel wors best with one with nothing is "if you have no cards in hand" cards Lupine Prototype and Asylum Visitor, Blood Scrivener. a couple of copys of Drownyard Temple may also be worth running. personaly id also be running 4 copys each of ox and kroxa
2 years ago
Lands to consider: Terramorphic Expanse , Myriad Landscape , Blighted Woodland , Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle , Ghost Quarter and/or Strip Mine (use them to create small combos), Thespian's Stage , Mountain Valley , Ghost Town , Jund Panorama , Naya Panorama , Ash Barrens , Wasteland , Drownyard Temple , Lotus Field , Cryptic Caves (a nice draw engine), Warped Landscape , Sunscorched Desert (repeatable damage), Command Beacon (nice way to avoid commander tax)...there's more, but you get the idea. Most of these produce some kind of mana so you won't be without it. You just need to keep the cycle of dropping lands going.
2 years ago
Hmm, this is strange. As far as I can tell, the endpanel and endaccordion lines are in the code, but it's not showing up in the description. I put the code for the description in a code box if you want to glance over it. Thanks for your help dude!
===accordion ===panel: Background I started playing Magic the Gathering back when Guilds of Ravnica was released. I bought 2 fat packs, and promptly built a Dimir surveil "standard" deck that was a steaming pile of hot poo. I then tried to "fix" it by adding in green, making it a sultai deck. This did nothing. However, ever since then, graveyard decks as well as the colors Black/Green/X have always had a special place in my heart. While I was assessing my commander decks, I realized I had never built a deck revolving around the graveyard, and I knew what I had to do. ===endpanel ===panel: Building the Deck To the Interwebs! I rushed to the computer to look on EDHRec to see what graveyard commanders there were. I already had a decent idea of what I was searching for. I had heard of [[Muldrotha, the Gravetide]], [[Meren of Clan Nel Toth]], as well as [[card:Karador, Ghost Chieftain]], but none of these seemed to speak to me. Going strictly Golgari seemed limiting, as there were many cards I wanted to play in blue. However, when I add blue to my decks, I always somehow turn it into a control deck, and I wanted this to be fun for the whole table. So, that idea sadly had to be thrown in the trash. I looked back over my options, and realized that I liked the idea of [[card:Karador, Ghost Chieftain]], I just didn't like how it limited you to one card per turn from the graveyard. So, I looked more into the Abzan colors, and found [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]]. It was exactly what I was looking for. ===endpanel ===panel: Gameplan With [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]], I would be able to fill my graveyard to my hearts content, then at the opportune moment cast my commander, reanimating most of my graveyard and turning the tide of the game. Ideally, I would win on the spot once I cast my commander, but since that is not always guaranteed, I added in some "stax" (not sure if that is the right word). Essentially just cards that would slow down my opponents until I can fill up my graveyard with the combo, then reanimate it again with Nethroi. ===endpanel ===panel: Winning the Game The main way this deck wins is through a combo involving [[Reveillark]], [[Karmic Guide]], a sac outlet such as [[Viscera Seer]], and a pinger, such as [[Blood Artist]]. Assuming all the pieces are on the battlefield, you can sacrifice the Karmic Guide to the sac outlet. Now, there is a [[Reveillark]], [[Viscera Seer]], and a [[Blood Artist]] on the battlefield, with a [[Karmic Guide]] in the graveyard. Then, you can sacrifice the [[Reveillark]] to the [[Viscera Seer]] to bring back the [[Karmic Guide]]. When the Karmic Guide enters the battlefield, it's ability will trigger, allowing you to bring back the [[Reveillark]], so you can repeat the process as many times as you need, until every opponent dies from [[Blood Artist]] triggers. <br> <br> While this deck may win through a combo, I don't want it to be as competitive as possible, as most of my playgroup is limited to a tight budget (College will do that to ya). ===endpanel ===panel: Budget In regards to budget, I'm trying to only buy <$100 worth of cards. I already own most of the cards in the deck, but any I don't I'll put in the acquire section. ===endpanel ===panel: Things I've Noticed/Help Needed A few things I've noticed when I goldfished a couple hands with this deck is that it's very mana hungry, and its early game presence is quite lackluster. I tried cutting cards to add in more ramp, but it's to the point where I love every card in the deck, and I can't bring myself to cut more (it was originally a quite hefty 148 card deck when I first drew up a rough draft). What do you think I could cut/replace to keep the core idea of the deck, while getting it down to 100 cards? It seems to be a little all over the place, and I keep noticing I don't have the right cards I need in my hand at the right time. Since this is my first Commander/EDH graveyard focused deck, what are your thoughts? What are things I can improve (besides the atrocious mana curve)? ===endpanel ===panel: Upgrades/Cards I'm Considering This is a list of potential upgrades for down the road, as they're too expensive for the deck at the moment:<br> [[Hermit Druid]]<br> [[Birds of Paradise]]<br> [[Protean Hulk]]<br> [[Fauna Shaman]]<br><br> This is the list of cards I'm considering putting in the deck: <br> [[Ancient Craving]] <br> [[Dakmor Salvage]] <br> [[Drownyard Temple]] <br> [[Night's Whisper]] <br> [[Painful Truths]] <br> [[Plumb the Forbidden]] <br> [[Sign in Blood]] <br> [[Village Rites]] <br> [[Brainspoil]] (can grab [[Karmic Guide]] or [[Reveillark]]) <br> [[Skullwinder]] <br> ===endpanel ===panel: Changelog This is just a spot for me to know what I took out for what, in the case that some cards I add underperform, or some are overperformers :)<br><br> 05/07/21 <br> -[[Fiend Hunter]] OUT for [[Leonin Relic-Warder]]. While Relic-Warder does not target creatures, it combos with [[Animate Dead]] and a [[Blood Artist]] effect.<br> -[[Morality Shift]] OUT for [[Skullclamp]]. Mortality Shift's 7 cmc is pretty high, and by the time I can cast it there are probably better things to do. Skullclamp allows me to draw cards, one thing that this deck is lacking, for a very low cost. <br> -[[Drannith Magistrate]] and [[Sun Titan]] are OUT. Magistrate was only in as a friend has several scary [[Golos, Tireless Pilgrim]] decks, and it shuts him down until he removes it. I'm still on the fence about Sun Titan. It IS a nice effect, but I'm struggling to justify the mana cost, and if I decide to reanimate it, there are generally better targets to reanimate. <be> -[[Fertilid]] OUT for [[Cultivate]]. While Fertilid is a pretty fun target for Nethroi's reanimate ability, I've found I'm struggling to cast Nethroi in the first place. ===endpanel ===endaccordion
2 years ago
TheShadowNite hahaha, I was about to say, in goldfishing your hands I had the same experience! I think you have a good mass of Dredge creatures and grave enablers, so you could fill the grave, but then it'd stall out, either having to wait a turn for tap lands, or not being able to mutate the commander for an effect. It sounds weird, but maybe Drownyard Temple might have a place in there as a one off? Also I'd be interested in something like Dakmor Salvage . Just another dredge option if it hits the grave. (Though I may be a bit biased, I really like The Gitrog Monster hahaha)
I think the one off draw effects come down to personal preference. I typically like having repeated things like Phyrexian Arena Sylvan Library stuff that can get repeated use over the course of a game. Though I also play in a meta that has a lot of board wipes and tax effects, so resolving one is important as the games go a bit longer and I have to recoup after an Armageddon or Wrath of God resolves. I WILL say that I've had good experiences running one off card draw effects in jank tribal decks like Treefolk, where just jamming in a TON of card draw means you can keep drawing action and eventually flooding the board with crappy creatures lol.
I could see one off card draw working in your deck! In particular if you're working with a budget! There were some hands that were JUST close enough to being bomb, but fell short on lands or action. Black has a plethora of card draw one off options. like Sign in Blood Ancient Craving Night's Whisper .
Also maybe some food for thought? Since you have a lot of dredge creatures and dorks, something like Plumb the Forbidden , Costly Plunder could work, as you could replace the first draw with the dredge trigger, which would then still have a play by simply recasting the creature.
Just some ideas to playtest with!
2 years ago
I haven't seen this commander done before, seems pretty neat! In terms of single cards, I'd definitely recommend Frantic Search , Mystic Sanctuary , Drownyard Temple , Chemister's Insight , Deep Analysis . Good general looting/blue cards to go with your commander's self discard theme! Self mill could also work, in which case Fraying Sanity on yourself could have a high upside! If you're looking for a budget wincon with your deck, Tunnel Vision seems like a fun route to go! If you pair it with something like Vessel of Endless Rest or Proteus Staff (though the staff is like $4 :/) you can either mill an opponent out, or mill yourself out. At worst, Vessel of Endless Rest is a three mana mana rock that puts a wincon back in the deck. To that end, in your current build, your commander is a (sort of semi conditional) infinite mana sink that will end with you picking up your deck and winning the game with Lab man and the like. Not sure how you feel about infinite combos, but if you're looking for a budget infinite mana combo in the deck outside of Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter , Peregrine Drake / Cloud of Faeries + Deadeye Navigator is tried and true. Or if you go the artifact subtheme, Pili-Pala + Grand Architect might also work!
As for budget additions, I've had a lot of success with Sculpting Steel and Mirrormade . Both of these cards are relatively cheap and scale well depending on what your opponents play. You can double down on the best artifact/enchantment on board.
Since the deck seems a little hungry for mana, you could also double down on the key effects with ramp like Thran Dynamo , Gilded Lotus and Voltaic Key . Could help you get WAY ahead with your draw X spells.
To that end Emry, Lurker of the Loch seems to work in tandem with what you want your commander to do! Deck thinning and casting rocks from the bin!
Hope that gives some ideas! The commander seems rather open ended aside from wanting to draw ALL the cards, there are definitely a lot of different routes to go! For sure a cool commander!
2 years ago
@ Omniscience_is_life I understand, as I also struggle with cutting! And in a lot of ways it also depends on what you find yourself playing against. As a notorious recovering durdle player, I've found it helpful to evaluate a card by means of if it's proactive in doing what your decks wants to do or winning. For example, in your current list, Sanctum Spirit I've found to be underwhelming as well as Darksteel Pendant . But it could work for you if you find yourself playing against a lot of aggressive decks or sweepers! Gift of Immortality Works towards the same goal of sweeper protection, and opens up additional toolbox plays with your other spirits, so that would be my suggestion!
Also, minor land suggestion! Drownyard Temple and High Market . Drownyard Temple is a minor consistent way of ramping after your pony smashes lands, and is another card that is ok chucking to the bin if someone wheels. High Market also opens up a cheeky Yosei, the Morning Star lock when paired with Emeria, The Sky Ruin to lock down a single opponent, which seems to be in the salty spirit of the deck!
2 years ago
Hey! I'm happy to share suggestions, as I've thrown out a few ideas and tried to chat about insight so far. You may want to try and isolate cards you're willing to remove - that way you can still feel like the deck is yours, while being open to prospective ideas / outside perspective ya know?
I'll try to make suggestions with budget in mind!
- Get the same effect with a higher upside and immediately get to discard a Dragon. Non-artifact so it's harder to remove. Mid and late-game card-drawing machine with an evasive Dragon.
- This Neheb is too slow and while the synergy is there, it's going to have trouble making a consistent impact. Even an ETB tapped fetch still keeps you getting the color mana you need while (statistically marginally) thinning your deck and cleaning your future draws.
- Overall, these edits reduce your cumulative curve, provide similar (if not more consistent) discard ability, and much higher ceilings for providing value. Evolving Wilds is your 2nd fetch, so you can keep improving the lands you're getting into play. Daretti lets you move through the deck quicker AND has artifact synergies if you choose to lean into that line of play. Chainer is a discard outlet and haste enabler the turn he comes down, so he's already got the same floor as Mad Prophet with the opportunity to be impactful if he stays on the board.
- Since you've enjoyed leaning heavily into the discard aspect, Temple makes a lot of sense for you to have access to a mid or late-game land to ramp a bit. With all these expensive Dragons, I'm sure you've had a turn or two with plenty of un-used mana (I have!), so this gives you a way to maximize the discard AND set yourself up to keep having access to mana!
- The five-mana CMC for a less-efficient Sneak Attack just feels heavy in this build. Adding Landscape gives you another opportunity to pull lands out of your deck and keep having colors on the battlefield - I'm sure you've noticed but the double and triple-pips of the deck can be VERY challenging at times. Being able to get two Mountains (or your two Swamps) will hugely impact your ability to play relevant spells on time. As far as getting one more haste enabler, even with Chainer already in...
- Tyrant is a win-more and a payoff card. It's a fun ambition, but in a deck chock-full of power and crazy cool Dragons, we don't need this. Instead, big Kolaghan comes down much earlier AND hastes our entire squad.
- Courser enables shenanigans and fantastic temporary Commander fun. It's effect can be much more impactful than Thundermaw Hellkite's in the long-run, and essentially acts as another reanimation spell. Thundermaw's effect is pretty narrow, while Courser's lets us go into the graveyard for a more toolbox-like approach, depending on what we've been able to get into the graveyard so far.
- This might be a little bit of personal preference, and with how many ways this deck has to kill opponents' creatures on your turn, I think it provides a great ceiling while also acting as an early-game blocker. Mana that you can do anything with is so precious in this deck, and it happens to synergize nicely with the best addition to this deck in Kaldheim...
- I personally don't think this deck needs to go wide, otherwise you'd be running more cost reduction ( Urza's Incubator , Dragonspeaker Shaman ) as well as Nesting Dragon . Big-mana decks are always going to need mana, and Goldspan makes it in spades.
- This is a different style of play, I'd just rather avoid exiling my Dragons or only getting a single use out of them...for a minimum of 8 mana and two turns. Feldon has more flexibility in coming down quicker and activating sooner. You're packing High Market and Phyrexian Tower here for sac outlets to get rid of the tokens (same as the Dragons from Zirilan realistically), but you're doing it much earlier in the game, or with mana to spare, with no downside of losing a Dragon for the rest of the game.
- Between all of the Dragon ETB damage and the removal suite available to Rakdos, you don't need more removal, I'm sure you've noticed this! Especially cost-inefficient removal. Having more reanimation effects, especially to act as a or flicker effect? There's WAY more flexibility here for how the Dragon reanimator wants to succeed. I agree that more removal is always good though! With that in mind...
- Play faster, and play with more flexibility. Command will give you options based on how the game's playing, and playing at instant-speed ensures you can be more interactive. Along that same line...
- Flexibility in usage! More than likely this will get rid of a troublesome artifact, and wouldn't you know it that some of the best graveyard hate is on artifacts! The graveyard hosing can also be key and, again, playing at instant-speed gives you more opportunities to disrupt opponents. For a high-curve deck like this, that's really important!
- Let's help Rakdos players see that Arena isn't the powerhouse everyone thinks it is! Exploration does EVERYTHING we could need - especially in your build, which has a higher concentration of Dragons, there's a greater likelihood for you to fill your graveyard quicker! Please give this a shot and let me know what you think!
Four of these cards ETB tapped and make you a turn slower, AND they're bad in the late-game since they have little utility. There's no snow synergy here to justify Coldsteel. Having more land ensures you'll hit your drops throughout the game. Wayfarer's lets you keep some ramp (I prefer Expedition Map, but one discussion at a time) while Archive has mana utility and lets you cash in when you have leftover mana. Smooth out your hands, get more consistent draws and turns, and have the ability to draw more cards.
- All of these Dragons in the yard are going to go to waste if you can't get them out onto the field! This is my favorite low-cost reanimator aside from the namesake - if you wanted to make a case for Stitch Together I wouldn't argue it. Being able to get two Dragons out, albeit tapped, ensures you can keep some board presence. It also lets you use up some of those Sneak Attack / token creations in an efficient way. I know losing some card draw feels a bit weird, and based on how the deck's built up, and from what you've described about your playstyle, it sounds like you may have an over-abundance of card-draw and not enough interaction. Hopefully this changes things!
Non-budget upgrade, and more likely to consistently come down untapped and provide the same color flexibility. If budget doesn't allow this edit, I'd say the non-budget move could be Path of Ancestry .
I do think you need to find room for one of the game-winning, mass-reanimators like Living Death or Patriarch's Bidding , or the new Kaldheim one, I'm blanking on the name. I'd take out Scourge of Kher Ridges for it to give yourself a win condition out of nowhere!
Hopefully these ideas help, or at least spark some further ideation for you to think about! If you want to chat about Bladewing in real-time over Discord or Reddit I'm on both sites as ThePillowman :)