Temple Garden

Land — Forest Plains

({T}: Add {G} or {W}.)

As this enters, you may pay 2 life. If you don't, this enters tapped.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Freeform	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Historic Brawl	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Pioneer	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
PreDH	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Unformat	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (48)

Optimator on Boots for the Beatdown

4 weeks ago

True Conviction could be some sort of limit break. Or Big Guard or Enemy Skill Materia.

For your lands, why not do alters of :

Jetmir's Garden - Temple of the ancients? The Crater? Wall Market? Another version of Aeris's church garden or home garden? The Ancient Forest?

The inclusion of Jetmir's Garden also makes Three Visits and Nature's Lore a lot better. Fetch lands too, but I understand the desire not to run fetches. It also turns on all three Check lands.

Sacred Foundry - Stomping Ground - Temple Garden -- Temple Garden would be extra-thematic for Coral Valley or The Temple of the Ancients

Bountiful Promenade - Spectator Seating - Spire Garden

Commercial District - Elegant Parlor - Lush Portico

You have all three Check lands in, so of course having duals with land types is extra desirable. Check lands also go extra-well with Fetch lands, but you may not have room if you're keeping the cool precon lands.

I feel like if you're going all-out with this deck, why not have the good lands? Aggro decks need them more. Swap the cycling duals and the always-tapped duals? (Radiant Grove etc). You could also swap the Snow duals, though it is fairly thematic for those lands to be Snow lands. Still, you have no Snow payoffs to worry about.

I feel like Wooded Bastion and Sunscorched Divide could be upgraded easily enough--although I do kind of like how the Sunscorched Divide and Wooded Bastion complete the cycle from the precon. I've always found the Shadowmoor filterlands to be a bit unreliable in three-color decks. Not awful, mind you. Still, I think you'd be way better off swapping the alters over to shock lands or Battlebond duals.

You could turn Wooded Ridgeline into Stomping Ground and keep the art and flavor text.

I love the inclusion of the "Slowland" cycle (Sundown Pass etc)

wallisface on Looking for payoff cards for …

1 month ago

keizerbuns looking at your list, I'm skeptical it can keep up at a modern power level:

• Your deck has a LOT of 1-ofs, which is going to make it fairly inconsistent. They all appear to be legendries, so I will say that just because a card is legendary doesn't mean you only run one copy of it - if the card is crucial to your plan then you need to run enough copies to ensure you have good odds of drawing one (so, usually a playset). In any case, i would suggest not running anywhere near this many 1-ofs, especially as a first-draft of a deck that has no reliable way to fetch-up specific cards.

• Your mana curve seems sloooow. This becomes specifically a bigger issue with your interaction, that all costs quite-high mana and either requires some prerequisites to be any good (Collision Course), or costs a big-chunk of mana but can't remove big threats (Unidentified Hovership, Razorgrass Ambush  ^Flip). I really think your deck either needs to be a LOT faster, or have a LOT more density of interaction, with this extra interaction not requiring as many hoops to jump through to be good.

• You have no reliable way to ever get Parhelion II into play. The only card I see that is helpful towards this here is Kona, Rescue Beastie, but that is itself 4 mana (so very slow), and you're only running as a 1-of (so incredibly unreliable).

• Your mana base looks too cute and messy. I would suggest simplifying it for better options and more reliable usefulness. Specifically I don't see Gavony Township, The Shire or Minas Tirith ever being anything except awkward and unhelpful. Temple of Plenty entering tapped is absolutely terrible. Okina, Temple to the Grandfathers and Eiganjo Castle are cute, but you're almost never going to use their abilities, and so basic lands are probably better to avoid auto-losing to Blood Moon effects. The deck really, really wants a playset of both Windswept Heath and a few Temple Garden to keep your mana consistent.

• 14 vehicles is a LOT. But i'm more worried that most of them don't really do much... they all feel like bad-creatures that require a bunch of setup to actually do creature-things. I would suggest running less vehicles, but making those vehicles you do run feel properly impactive, so that they can actually win you the game.

• The sideboard needs a LOT of work - it's not really giving you anything helpful at the moment.

• I don't see how this deck ever competes against any combo deck... you have no way to disrupt these decks and are not nearly fast-enough to race them. Decks like Belcher, Storm, Goryo's, Tron, Prime Titan, Neobrand and Broodscale will all just enact their plans and not even glance at what your board-state is doing. Other fast-aggro decks like Boros Energy, Zoo, Affinity, and Prowess will basically do the same. I'd advise looking at the modern meta decks and working out what your plan is against each of these - your brew needs to have a decent chance of winning against at least half the top decks to feel relevant.

Overall the deck feels too unfocused, and lacking both speed and interaction. I would suggest trying to lower the mana curve, get in some good interactive pieces, and adding a bunch of much-needed focus to the deck in-terms of only keeping cards that help achieve your set goal.

A good place to start might be to check out an established list. In Pioneer both Azban Greasefang and Mardu Greasefang are established vehicle decks. Obviously Pioneer is a much weaker format than modern, but this should give you a good idea of what a decent vehicle deck looks like, and might help inspire your own brew (also, a lot of people onine have tried making modern-greasfang lists, so the deck seems to have a few gimmicky-paths towards being somewhat modern-viable)

legendofa on The Wind in the Willows

2 months ago

Unless you want to dig around some other white cards, I think 2x {G}{W} land (Temple Garden or whatever) and 1x {W}{B} land (Godless Shrine) would be enough. The Verdant Catacombs can dig them out as needed, and Mole helps. Cut 1x Overgrown Tomb and 1x of each of the basics.

For theming it, I think Temple Garden fits as the Riverbank, Overgrown Tomb's the Wild Wood, and Godless Shrine's the wide world. I leave the art selections in your capable hands.

CNG_Stream on My friends hate me

3 months ago

Adding more Karn and putting 1 copy of either of the Liquidmetal in the sidedeck would help get your combo assmbeled easier. If you are playing this deck with the idea of casual (bo1) I would advise a side deck of 7 cards for Karn to search for artifacts (default 15 for bo3). The artifacts can be something like Tormod's Crypt or similar situationally useful cards. You could also include a late game payoff to the sidedeck as well to help end the game.

Would suggest adding some kind of ramp like a 1 dorp mana producer so you can assmble your combo faster. The mana production can be either creatures like Llanowar Elves or auras for your lands like Wild Growth or if you add more "forest" subtyping to your lands then Utopia Sprawl would also work to help fix mana. To add forest dual type lands you could try to get some "shock" lands like Stomping Ground to replace the deserts, but the more budget friendly Wooded Ridgeline would aslo work. These lands would also help with your reveal lands as you could reveal these tap lands to help your land enter untapped in a pinch. Could also use the ramp spell Farseek as an option if you choose to add those to your mana base as they can be searched for with this spell and put to board.

I think your mana curve is also a bit greedy with only 18 lands while having multpile cards over 4 mana in your deck. With this mana curve you may want to be sitting around 20 lands for a more consistant draw to play your spells. Afterall the Inferno Titan is slow to the board and likely a win more card if you have your combo shutting down your opponents ability to be on board. If you want to keep land count low, then you could try adding cards like Generous Ent as your late game pay off in place of the Titan as you could cycle it to find a land and if you added the dual type lands then you could search for those if the share the land type (Radiant Grove / Temple Garden or Wooded Ridgeline / Stomping Ground). The Ent could even be brought back from the grave late game if you put something like Portal to Phyrexia in your side deck for Karn to find when you are not needing him to do something else at the time.

Fun card option if you are more on the sacrifice 1 drop creature binge, you could use the enchatment Abiding Grace to keep bringing back 1 drops or gaining life ewhen there is nothing to bring back. Not really recomended, but something I thought fit your deck idea.

Hope these help your deck idea.

Icbrgr on bracket 5?!?!?! Yeah Right...

3 months ago

There really isn't a viable solution here... like unless card choices get shown in Red for not having enough supporting data for representation or something... this is where you need to be the judge and have your own insight when browsing "competitive/bracket 5" ect ect...

Take Spell Pierce/Dispel as examples... there was a time where I really thought they were weak cards because Counterspell exists... but in context of a format and what the meta is or even being on the draw or the play only after actually getting in a lot of games/experience did I understand why anyone would ever run those.

Let alone budget choices like for mana base compositions and things of this nature... "get a load of this guy running Temple Gardens instead of Savannahs"

A lot of it really is just splitting hairs... sure you can feel like your being click baited but you as the viewer need to look at a list with critical thinking too.

Mortlocke on Phyrexian Opera : Atraxa

5 months ago

Venum,

In regards to your manabase, you still haven't answered what your budget is looking like. A manabase tends to be the most expensive (and important) part of any EDH deck. Does your playgroup allow proxies?

Side tangent - the upcoming set Edge of Eternities has recently teased the return of shock lands. Shock Lands are some of, if not the best lands in modern magic. With this upcoming reprint they will be more accessible than ever so I highly recommend you get them their prices lower, namely: Watery Grave, Breeding Pool, Godless Shrine, Hallowed Fountain, Overgrown Tomb and Temple Garden.

You slightly misunderstood what I meant when I asked about your meta. Do you use the bracket system that was introduced by Wizards? Using that to describe your deck (or the one you wish to build) will make this process go over much more smoothly. Seeing that your Meta includes the infamous likes of Najeela, the Blade-Blossom and Yuriko, the Tiger's ShadowGC you are facing some very strong commanders that would likely have decks that would place them in Bracket 4 (using the aforementioned bracket system as a reference). But, and a very big but here - it depends on what kind of decks these commanders helm. Do they have big expensive manabases with lots of (monetary) expensive interaction cards? e.g. Mana Drain, Force of WillGC, Mana VaultGC

It seems here that you have a misunderstanding of infinite combos. The aforementioned combo of Thassa's OracleGC and Demonic Consultation are used almost exclusively in the alternate format known as Competitive EDH or cEDH. That is an essential combo for the format, and is expected to be part of a deck running {U}{B}. To you that may look like someone who just doesn't want to engage with other players - but to those who wield the combo in a game where other players are using similar strategies this is what everyone signed up for. Infinite combos are a staple of Magic and Commander. I understand that you are a person and you are absolutely entitled to your opinion. But please, have consistent logic here: Infinite Combos may be unpopular to some players, but for the love of Father Yawgmoth Poison is a FAR less popular mechanic in Commander.

Not saying you shouldn't use it - I for one embrace it. But using Poison will give you a distinct political disadvantage at just about every single table you show up to. Once the other players know, they will more than likely work together to tear apart your boardstate and shove you off the table.

wallisface on Cat tribal- Casual Multiplayer

8 months ago

Some thoughts:

• you appear to have a whole lot of $$$ invested in your nonland cards, and then have treated your landbase no respect at all. Instead of these really bad lands you have, you should be running fetches (Arid Mesa) and shocks (Temple Garden).

• Any format allowing Sol Ring shoukd probably be running 4x the card.

• I don’t think Aura Shards, March of the Multitudes, or Sun Titan are any good here (first 2 don’t do enough, last one is just too much mana).

kamarupa on Population Bomb

8 months ago

Nice work! I guess you really deserve some props, as I've seen plenty of people on here that aren't new list decks as certain formats but still include cards that aren't legal in that format. So that's why I asked.

In terms of advice, I probably have more than you want. For starters, I'm not sure a Populate/Tokens deck is going to be what I would consider "fast-paced." It may or may not keep up with a Goblin deck - it would really depend on the caliber of each deck and to a lesser degree, the player piloting that deck. When it comes to speed, I think of low MV infinite combos, burn, Elves, +1/+1 counter Humans... So if you're really looking for speed, then there may be better place to look.

That said, if it's not so much speed, but a tokens, and tokens that can maybe compete with a fast paced Goblin deck, I think that is probably possible. As it stands, it looks like you've got a fairly budget brew going, though I notice a few pricier spells in the sideboard. So I'll be mentioning both cheap and pricier spells and let you decide where you want to draw the line.

For starters, land is one of the best investments you can make. All decks need it and the better lands you have to choose from, the more solid your decks' foundations will be. In my opinion, there is no point in spending big bucks on spells when your land base can't consistently cast them. www.managathering.com is an awesome resource to find lands. It didn't exist when I first started brewing, but I go there all the time now, namely because I just can't remember all the card names like I used to, lol. Ideally, you want lands that don't enter tapped, especially if you're going for speed. If you can afford them, Temple Garden & Windswept Heath are the perennial favorites. But Razorverge Thicket, Overgrown Farmland, and Branchloft Pathway  ^Flip are all decent. I recommend 22 lands for a "fast deck" - IE a deck with an Average MV of 2 or less (2.05 is close enough). Much greater than 2 average and I'd recommend 23-24 lands. Which stinks, I know, because the more land you include, the less spells you get and more likely you are to get mana screwed. But I've found that if you ever want to reliably cast spells that are 3 or more, you're going to need those extra few lands. Even with mana ramp, 16 is not enough land.

Typically, Artifact/Enchantment removal spells go in the sideboard. And typically, people run 4x creature removal in the mainboard: Any of the following would be good: Winds of Abandon, Sheltered by Ghosts, Path to Exile should be in the mainboard.

Druid's Deliverance is fun, but even in decks where I include Fog, I rarely include more than 1 copy. At double the MV, Druid's Deliverance is either going to tie up your mana (slowing you down), and/or delay instead of remove, and/or get cast just for the populate, which you already have spells for. So I'd suggest cutting it 1 copy.

Fight as One is... a decent spell. Heroic Intervention would be better. Since all but 1 of your creatures is white, Brave the Elements would be more versatile and cheaper and Tamiyo's Safekeeping is just cheaper. In my experience, 1 is the MV that is best for protection spells because it doesn't need as much mana to be available - that is - they're just more versatile. And I usually only include 1-2 of such spells.

I'd just cut Selesnya Charm. It just doesn't do anything that well and it's single use doesn't make it valuable enough to include.

Call of the Conclave is similar to Selesnya Charm - tokens aren't much about how big so much as how many. Repeatable token generators are going to be bigger threats than single-use spells.

The thing with Populate is that it doesn't really give you much oomph unless you've got bigger tokens. So you're not wrong looking for tokens that are on the bigger size. But since tokens are easy to get rid of and impossible to bring back, most people ignore the Populate mechanic altogether in favor of making lots of tokens as quickly as possible and at instant speed if they can.

Thraben Doomsayer is pretty good, though I do hate the 3MV casting cost. But you can make tokens at instant speed, which is great, and you can do it every turn.

Lingering Souls is one of the best token spells because you get so many for not that much mana, though you don't have the black mana here to make it worthwhile.

Tocasia's Welcome is great card draw for tokens, namely if you can create a token on your turn and your opponent's turn.

Creatures that care about ETB triggers are really good with tokens, too. You really can't go wrong with Soul Warden and/or Soul's Attendant - with 6+ Soul Sisters, I'd imagine a Goblin deck would find it very difficult to hit you for more life than they cause you to gain. And if you can gain enough life, Speaker of the Heavens gives you tokens that are worth Populating.

Growing Ranks is pretty good, but at 4MV,it's on the slow side.

Overrun is a good spell here, and I think you've got the right number.

Wake the Reflections is ok, I guess, but again, only copying 1 token just isn't as good as it might seem. At least it only costs you 1 to cast. The question is whether its actually powerful enough to be worth including, verses using that space for more token spells.

Something like Ephemerate or Cloudshift would probably be good with Hare Apparent

I like Finneas, Ace Archer, but I don't like it enough to overlook its Legendary status to run 4 copies.

Broad-stroke advice: 4x creature removal, 2x protection spell, 1x fog spell, 22x lands, 2-3x card advantage spell, 12x token generators, 8x ETB trigger spells. That leaves you with about 10 spells to lean into a mechanic like populate or more removal, etc, etc.

Please don't think what I write is definitive or that I'm insisting. Ignore whatever you want. I'm just throwing out my thoughts, hoping something might be useful for you.