Creature — Vampire
Lifelink (Damage dealt by this creature also causes you to gain that much life.)
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay (W/B). If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
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Tithe Drinker Discussion
1 month ago
I had had my eye on Debt to the Deathless but forgot to put it in, and Crypt Ghast goes great with it and totally skipped my mind. Thanks for those! I agree with you that there wasn't much consistency. I basically put a bunch of 1-ofs in and played with it for a night with my group to see what worked well and what didn't. Tithe Drinker was an MVP obviously. Tablet of the Guilds gained me so much life I was pretty consistently getting to turn Blood Baron of Vizkopa on if I wasn't getting targeted. The Vampire Nighthawks im on the fence about, but bumped them up to 3 and will see how they play. I know theyre amazing value, just felt kinda underwhelming. I also added some more spot removal to deal with major threats. Pretty much all the other 1-ofs are cards I just really like and want to keep in the deck, even if it's gimped a little bit because of it. My main goal is to have fun and enjoy the deck and play cool stuff. Might take out the Gray Merchant of Asphodel because I have the Debts now, which serve a similar purpose. Let me know if you have any more suggestions or comments and thank you!
1 month ago
Black/white modern vampires. Nice choice- Tithe Drinker is good enough to encourage the switch on their own, and Blood Baron of Vizkopa is an insanely resilient threat, so I can get behind it. Anguished Unmaking mainboard in place of batwing- it answers so many threats that it deserves to be there.
I have a mono black toolbox list here Mono black deckbuilder's toolbox that contains most of the tools I've seen used in modern mono black- feel free to look through, or ask for advice. Long story short though, Gatekeeper of Malakirx4.
Biggest thing white adds is easy access to creature spam/lifegain shenanigans. Indulgent Aristocrat/Blade of the Bloodchief/Bloodthrone Vampire/Doomed Traveler/Mantle of Leadership/Pawn of Ulamog/Blood Artist type fun for unexpected power and a lot of tokens often outranges affinity with lifelink and outspeeds midrange whlist still gaining obscene amounts of life. Grave Pact/Dictate of Erebos just makes it all the sweeter.
Concealed Courtyard is in print at the moment, and enemy coloured support is fairly budget at the moment.
Stromkirk Captain is the best multicolor vampire, with supporty in red for Shared Animosity and Graven Cairns relatively cheap (compared to equivalent cards in other colours), but low cost lifelink/lifegain in white is more money efficient when hunting for key cards. Youve made a nice choice of white spells to help stabilize the game, mainboarding options some other decks would dismiss to sideboard will siginificantly improve the strategy's longevity against most midrange whilst preserving budget. Look for Pithing Needle (for plainswalkers) and Ratchet Bomb for token/emergency enchantment removal if you can, it rounds out a lot of sideboards. Blind Obedience works well. Dawn Charm will act as a fantastic multi-purpose spell in those slots if you can find copies. Apostle's Blessing is a slightly different rebuff the wicked if you want more copies, and can be played in mono black.
I'll reccomend making this a low cost lifelink creatures deck and hunting over the current soul sisters variants to identify other options- Ajani's Pridemate is a reasonable option for massive power (the lack of vampire typing matters less than you'd expect, as you aren't running the big tribal spells). You have a pretty powerful creature suite, so protecting it or making it resilient is going to be king. In mono Imp's Mischief, Duress and Phyrexian Arena-type effects is usually enough to offset removal. Artifacts and enchantments in black can be an issue, so heavy hand-pruning works well to offset that- Tidehollow Sculler/Cloudshift or Delirium Skeins/madness to use your sideboard to functionally become 8-rack.
Green splash works well in slower metas, permitting more versatile hate in Abrupt Decay, more powerful non-bob card advantage in Collected Company and Asceticism to lock you into longer games, but the lack of non-kicker etb vampires makes it less excellent than other options, though the addition of hasty stuff is pretty fun.
All told, black has a really big, versatile toolkit to work with and while it might not have 'destroy target artifact or enchantment', four Duress, four Imp's Mischief and four Dash Hopes is enough to mess with anyone's plans. And if they're creatures, deathtouch, Geth's Verdict, Dismember and Vendetta are all spells.
1 month ago
Not a bad start! You're right, Orzhov is a lot fun to play, but there are a lot of subtleties to the life-gain/slow burn sub-types that when identified, warrant playing very different types of decks.
For example, if you're going to go for a purely slow-burn, you'll want a lot of cards that contribute to that end, and some strong defense/control that allow you to pull that long game off. I also notice you're building on a budget, so I'll keep that in mind. Some cards that come to mind are:
Drana's Emissary Wall of Limbs - Great defense that goes off as a big bomb!Kambal, Consul of Allocation - good deterrent at times. It is legendary, so annoying that you can only have one on the fieldANYTHING with extort, but Tithe Drinker gets a lot of press. Not sure why, I like Basilica Screecher just as much. Obzedat, Ghost Council is too much fun
You can also go orzo-aggro and play a pump creature centered deck around cards like Ajani's Pridemate, Suture Priest, Blood Artist, and of course, Soul Warden. Karlov of the Ghost Council is an exaggerated Ajani's Pridemate, but legendary too. Whip of Erebos works great with these cards 'cause they all get lifelink and can self propel themselves. Divinity of Pride.
So that's a start! Hope it helps. Check out "soul sister" decks that abuse Soul Warden and other life gain mediums for the win. I'd also be remiss if I didn't politely ask you to review my deck as well (i'm new to this site too :) ) Pumpin' Jack Attack!
1 month ago
I used your deck to playtest against for the last hour or so and I have a few suggestions (I'll put some playtest notes at the bottom if you're interested). Overall, I think your cards could be more impactful, and I think you need more artifact ramp. You should also add a bit of graveyard hate. I notice that the deck cost is fairly low, so I'll keep my suggestions relatively budget friendly.
Ramp: Dimir Signet, Azorius Signet, Druidic Satchel, Darksteel Ingot, Sol Ring, Mind Stone, Hedron Archive, Wayfarer's Bauble, Dreamscape Artist. I would consider adding all of these cards, they will make your deck MUCH faster.
Final dump that I'm too lazy to organize: Phyrexian Reclamation, Drogskol Reaver, Tainted Sigil, Phyrexian Arena, Sphinx of the Steel Wind, Wall of Reverence, Defiant Bloodlord, Cliffhaven Vampire, Crypt Ghast, Ashen Rider, Beacon of Immortality, Dig Through Time, Fumigate, Chalice of Life Flip, Sun Droplet
Archangel of Tithes - Too much white, and your mana base isn't great.
Augury Adept - Too easy to block. Far too often this card does nothing.
Bloodbond Vampire - It gets big. Eventually. This is too slow.
Exalted Angel - This is 6 mana for a 4/4 flying lifelink. That is just bad.
Indulgent Tormentor - In EDH, paying the life is too easy.
Mourning Thrull - Uh...yeah. Doesn't really do anything. Change to ramp.
Resolute Archangel - High Cost, and if you're losing, this is not going to make you win except in VERY particular circumstances.
Seraph of Dawn - This is bad.
Tithe Drinker - There are better extort cards, and it's otherwise underwhelming.
Underworld Coinsmith - Slow and low impact.
Ruinous Path - Sorcery Speed.
Entreat the Angels - If this wins you the game, it's be a miracle (hehe). For real though, there are WAY better end game cards. check out
Moonsilver Spear - This is OK. It's slow, it makes tokens. I want every card in a deck to make me smile when I draw it, and this card just makes me go, "Ah, I see."
Steel of the Godhead - This is just kinda OK. Only creature to put it on is Oloro.
Sunbond - Slow and opens you up to being 2 for 1ed.
Sunspring Expedition - If you are going to play a card that only gains you life, it needs to gain you a lot of life. 8 is not a lot of life.
Pulse of the Fields - If an opponent has more life, you're doing something wrong.
Riot Control - Unless this card is great in your meta, it just doesn't belong is most decks. You should be controlling the field enough that this card doesn't do anything.
Samite Ministration - See above.
To the Slaughter - Yes, it can kill a planeswalker. But other than that, most people have a little shit creature they don't care about that they can sacrifice, and this costs 3 mana.
Anyway, I hope deckbuilding goes well! It looks like your building a fun deck. Cheers!
Playtest notes: I playtested against Reaper King stars in MTG: The Clone Wars. Obviously, mine is a MUCH more expensive and tuned deck, so it should win. I chose your deck despite the obvious mismatch because I'm getting some buddies into EDH and I wanted to make a deck that was powerful but didn't overwhelm them. Your deck seemed to roughly match the budget of what they'll be building. Overall, Reaper King lost one game and won three. The loss involved you getting an Elspeth and enough removal to protect her. The wins were mostly because of a lack of graveyard hate, not enough removal, threats that weren't very threatening, and mana issues. I think the mana issues deal was largely a luck thing, as you play enough lands, but some ramp would really smooth that out.
1 month ago
Thanks very much for the suggestions! Tithe Drinker and Campaign of Vengeance would definitely be more offensive. But I'd probably lean more towards being defensive in this deck. So Kambal, Consul of Allocation and Debt to the Deathless could be interesting. They definitely fit within the theme. I am worried about not having any instants in this deck. Vindicate is great, but at least if I had Kambal out I'd get return for non creature spells played during my opponents turn that way. Maybe put him in at x 2 over Vampire Nighthawk.
Debt to the Deathless is better than Consume Spirit at 7 mana and above. Most games I'll have that if I have Crypt Ghast out. Definitely worth considering.
1 month ago
Tithe Drinker may have a home here, a lower cost 2/1 with lifelink and extort.
A personal favorite of mine would be Kambal, Consul of Allocation, which could help with the life gain in the deck with a relatively lower cost as well.
2 months ago
SecondRate recommend Nip Gwyllion due to it's function, but because it is B and W, Edge of the Divinity is extremely powerful. With the amount of enchantments that you have, Blood-Cursed Knight would not be a bad option, also working with Edge. Divinity of Pride can be extremely powerful as 5 for an 8/8 with flying and lifelink. Tithe Drinker also fits into this category. Hyena Umbra provides some protection for your creatures.
If you are looking for a few more expensive cards, Daybreak Coronet is a good enchantment, Inquisition of Kozilek is good hand removal. Fatal Push isn't that expensive, but provides some of the best removal. Stony Silence will shut down all artifact decks, and Surgical Extraction is pretty great to remove reoccurring threats.
Hope that that helps, and good luck with your deck.
xyr0s on Black/white
2 months ago
So... what is the exact way, you want this deck to win in? Going wide, with many creatures (Crusader of Odric indicates this)? Then you need something that gives you many creatures on the table. Gaining a lot of life? That's also a way, but I don't think you go at it very efficiently. Soul sisters with token generators are simply better. However: drop the "many creatures matters" approach and focus on life-gain, because your creatures aren't cheap so you will not outnumber your opponent anyway. A 3/3 Seraph of the Masses is neither particularly intimidating, nor likely to win you a game.
Mainly, it looks like you are going for creatures with abilities that trigger from lifegain. But where is Ajani's Pridemate then?
Also, if you want to do something that could be a bit funny and fit with your deck: Blind Obedience and Deathbringer Liege. No, it's not particularly competitive (which I think this isn't to begin with - it seems very casual), but it's so funny when it succeeds. Tithe Drinker goes well with this plan.