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| Format | Legality |
| 1v1 Commander | Legal |
| Alchemy | Legal |
| Arena | Legal |
| Block Constructed | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Duel Commander | Legal |
| Gladiator | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Historic | Legal |
| Historic Brawl | Legal |
| Legacy | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Modern | Legal |
| Modern Beyond Horizons | Legal |
| Oathbreaker | Legal |
| Pioneer | Legal |
| Planar Constructed | Legal |
| Pre-release | Legal |
| Standard | Legal |
| Standard Brawl | Legal |
| Tiny Leaders | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Souls of the Lost
Creature — Spirit
As an additional cost to cast this spell, discard a card or sacrifice a permanent.
Fathomless descent — Souls of the Lost's power is equal to the number of permanent cards in your graveyard and its toughness is equal to that number plus 1.
capwner on
Compost Pile (Help Wanted)
5 months ago
I think this sort of deck really wants to do 3 things:
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Get dredgers into the yard quickly so you can start dredging. There are 2 main ways Modern decks have done this, traditional dredge decks which use Faithless Looting vs. Crabvine decks that use Hedron Crab and Stitcher's Supplier to self-mill
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Multi-draw spells to enable dredge so you start snowballing FAST. Again, Faithless Looting in classic dredge. But black has access to some decent draw spells too like Sign in Blood or Cling to Dust
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More payoffs that come out of the yard. Usually this comes in the form of Prized Amalgam, Silversmote Ghoul (off of creeping chill), Bloodghast, and Vengevine. Nethergoyf and Souls of the Lost are new contenders but unlike the others you don't get them from the yard for free.
If you do all of these things, you'll have a deck which looks pretty close to a competitively built dredge or crabvine list. Which maybe isn't the "head held high fair game of magic" you're looking for. But maybe you can take partial inspiration from some of these decks while keeping true to your theme!
Valengeta on
Goyf Gulch (Primer)
9 months ago
-nothing- thanks to your suggestions I've added Survival of the Fittest, Tortured Existence and Gaea's Cradle (at least in the online decklist for now). After further research, I've also included Souls of the Lost and Crop Rotation. I don't know if you're using these cards on your deck, but they have great synergy with this archetype and are worth a look
ProgramIncomplete on
The Mycotyrant
9 months ago
Sure thing!
When I decided to build this deck I really wanted to lean into the descend theme so I challenged myself to run as few non-permanent spells as possible. I think my initial list had like 1 or 2. Overtime, I ended up adding more since I realized I needed efficient self mill payoff cards like Reanimate and Overwhelming Remorse or else the deck was a little too clunky. Currently I'm running 9 but I'm looking for oppurtunites to cut some without losing power or efficiency.
But still, even though it isn't "pure permanents" I still tried my best to cover all of the deck's bases with permanent spells. We have permanents that can remove threats like Chupacabra Echo and Reclamation Sage; permanents that can draw cards like Skullclamp and Izoni, Thousand-Eyed; permanents that can ramp us like Sakura-Tribe Elder and Aftermath Analyst; permanents that mill like Mesmeric Orb and Ripples of Undeath; permanents that can bring stuff back from the grave like Journey to Eternity Flip and Animate Dead; we even have The Meathook Massacre and Invasion of Fiora Flip as our boardwipes.
One really nice upside to having everything our deck wants to do on permanent spells is that it makes cards like Malevolent Rumble and Cache Grab really consistent at grabbing something useful. And I recently added Revival Experiment which seems like a really nice payoff for going all in on permanents.
Anyway, the basic idea of this deck is self-milling and using my commander's ability to swarm the board with tokens. Usually we want to spend the first couple turns setting up, hopefully getting a repeatable mill effect on the battlefield like Mesmeric Orb or by pairing one of our dredge cards with a discard outlet like Matzalantli, the Great Door Flip or Geier Reach Sanitarium. Once we've got our mill engine set up, then we can cast our commander. We want to make sure he triggers his end step ability the turn he enters so we can start getting our tokens online.
The tokens really are the core pillar of the deck. They can be sacrificed for value with cards like Skullclamp and Wight of the Reliquary; we can turn them into mana dorks with Insidious Roots; they can gain us a ton of life off of Essence Warden and Ayara, First of Locthwain; and they can present lethal by giving our Craterhoof Behemoth an army to buff. We also have the ability to drain the table to death with the aforementioned Ayara or Mirkwood Bats if we manage to mill enough cards. And of course, since they pump our commander, we can also win with commander damage.
Since we're milling so much the deck also has a reanimator subtheme. Reanimate and Animate Dead can bring back wincon creatures like Craterhoof and Ayara. Squirming Emergence can reanimate any permanent so it's an awesome way to put planeswalkers into play or snag an engine piece or even wipe the board with Invasion of Fiora Flip. Similarly, Rise of the Witch-king let's us bring back any permanent while also forcing our opponents to sack a creature which is nice.
A new card that I'm actually testing right now is Chthonian Nightmare. The fact that it's a repeatable reanimate effect for only 2 mana seems really strong. And even if you don't "charge it up" by repeatedly reanimating creatures that cost less than 3, roughly 75% of the creatures in my deck are 3 or less anyway and among those are some really impactful targets like Eternal Witness, Reclamation Sage, Six, and Accursed Marauder just to name a few. Very excited to see how it performs!
Alongside the reanimator subtheme we have an aristocrats subtheme. As mentioned earlier the tokens make great fodder for stuff like Skullcamp and Wight. And we have creatures that either sack themselves, like Sakura-Tribe Elder and Aftermath Analyst, or want to be sacrificed, like World Shaper. All that sacrificing can net us additional value off of Liliana, Dreadhorde General or Mirkwood Bats since he triggers on token sacrifice as well. We also have Disciple of Freyalise Flip, a great reanimation target that can draw us a ton of cards by sacrificing our creatures that grow in size as our graveyard does like Splinterfright and Souls of the Lost.
So yeah, that's the deck. It can be a bit slow and the lack of instant speed interaction is definitely a drawback but overall I like it a lot and it can have some explosive turns. You just have to be careful not to mill yourself out which is why I added in Kozilek, Butcher of Truth. He's a bit random so I might replace him with Elixir of Immortality. We'll see.
P.S. Apologies for the long winded reply, hopefully it was insightful.
wallisface on burn deck help to refurbish
1 year ago
9-lives vanilla creatures aren’t good - the best one, Tarmogoyf, is often swinging as a 5/6 or 6/7 on turn 3, and still sees almost no play. Heck, Souls of the Lost is easily cast as a 9/10 on turn 2, and isn’t featured in any of Moderns best decks.
Paying 2 mana for a 3/2 and no abilities is a bad rate in todays magic. Likewise 3 mana for a 4/3 isn’t great. Yes is has trample and may have haste, but it’s just not good enough. Two more points:
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mono-green-stompy is a budget modern deck that many players have built and tuned over the years. It is very aggressive and aims to beat-down with fast, powerful creatures. This card never featured in any of those lists (it would’ve been trivially easy to splash red if needed). It’s just not good enough compared to greens creature suite.
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in burn, you’re wanting the game to be over on turn 4 at the latest. That means you want every-one of your cards to reliably deal at least 3 damage. Casting this for 2 mana means doing no damage that turn, and giving your opponent ample time to play around it, making it a terrible option. And, burn does’t really want to have 3 mana, so in many games might not even have the lands to cast it for 3, making it a terrible option. And, 3 mana for 4 damage which the opponent can entirely mitigate through Bolt/Push/etc is incredibly risky and making it a terrible option. And taking an entire turn to cast this card means its going to be a lot harder to finish the game by turn-4 at-the-latest (it certainly makes it impossible to win on turn-3), making it a terrible option.
jacobpmesser on
Self Mill Goyf
1 year ago
Of note, I haven't play the Souls of the Lost with Ob Nixilis, the Adversary. You can literally have a turn 3 15 point swing... and if you can get an attack in first, GG.
You can also aim for alt-wins. Altar of Dementia. And with The Skullspore Nexus you can sac a goyf to Altar, you or opp mill 10. Get a 10/10 dino fungus and mill for another 10. You can play for your own self-mill win with Thassa's Oracle or Laboratory Maniac.
There is a lot of gy hate and I always play with one or the other side for alt-win.
I'm also considering maindeck Leyline of the Void because so much of magic these days are graveyard based.
jacobpmesser on
Self Mill Goyf
1 year ago
4 Stitcher's Supplier 4 Hedron Crab 3 Satyr Wayfinder 4 Urborg Lhurgoyf 4 Cruel Somnophage 4 Souls of the Lost 2 Nighthowler 3 Grist, the Hunger Tide 2 Wonder 4 Unearth 3 Brazen Borrower 1 Sidisi, Brood Tyrant 1 Glasspool Mimic Flip 1 Kazandu Mammoth Flip
That's a good base. Take what works and replace what you don't like.
Exp. I've been playing iterations of this for years now and eight one drops are important. You need to start filling your gy ASAP. These are the two best. If you don't want to go into blue, there are cards like Gnawing Vermin but for me, m2 isn't enough. The -1/-1 is helpful so there is some leeway based on META. If I dabble in other colors, Shriekhorn is my go-to.
Satyr's spot can be removed but I play a low land count due to the two modal lands (Glasspool/Mammoth). Mire Triton is another favorite because Deathtouch and gainlfie. It's also a META call. I don't like others like Skull Prophet. If I were playing The Mycotyrant I'd consider it because it 'mills over time' (MOT) but once your opp sees what youre on theyd kill it before you get a chance to use it.
So, in this list I'm 12 goyfs. Eight can self-mill (SM) and the other is useful (Souls) in getting Wonder out of your hand. You can also sac Stitcher to it if you're a T1 Stitcher T2 Souls. Every card in this deck is a permanent besides Unearth so if you fetched at all, you could have a T2 6/6-8/8 Souls of the Lost and that aint to shabby.
I have always played at least 1-2 Nighthowler. It makes those Stitchers, Crabs, and Satyrs a threat and more often than not, takes two spells to kill it (when it's bestowed).
I view this deck as a sort of aggro deck and keeping with 99% creature theme, Grist and Brazen Borrower are my interaction. You can bring in whatever you want (obviously) but it's also provides fliers for Nighthowler, Grist has a built in win-con and protects itself. I always play a Boseiju, Who Endures and if I play more, -1 Unearth for Life from the Loam and if I'm really frisky, I'll add a few more legends, play more of the Channel Lands and another Life/Loam. I've got a oops all Channel lands were all the other lands are Modal and I play Amulet of Vigor with Shriekhorn and use Emry, Lurker of the Loch as a self-mill recur piece. It's fun.
Sidisi is a MOT that can help you go wide. Every time you mill, you get a zombie. I use this in near every build when I'm in color. I've tested Blossoming Tortoise but save that for a Mosswort Bridge version I play and if I can't get that going I want to be able to cast the top end. Shigeki, Jukai Visionary, Molderhulk, Aether Vial + Dryad Arbor help get me there. But just playing the new Squirming Emergence is so much easier than playing all those other cards.
You can find a way to bring in draw, life, other interaction, etc.. it's on you. There are times were I play Jace, the Perfected Mind or Visions of Beyond for draw. Spellstutter Sprite and a few spots for other faeries like Likeness Looter (flying faerie goyfs!).
But that's the base. Do what you want.. because you can literally do anything. I've got a junk list focused on recur with Unearth, Renegade Rallier, Necropanther, Athreos, God of Passage... a jund/grixis list that uses Ob Nixilis, the Adversary and Orcish Bowmasters (sac goyf to etb Ob Nix, Token Ob forces opp to draw 7 for -7 life. Bowmasters deals another 6 plus you get a 6/6 orc token (+2 more for paper Ob +1 if they can't discard). That's a 15 point swing, not including attacks. Another Grixis list that plays Kroxa, Flamewake Phoenix, Seasoned Pyromancer and Ox.
My favorite - game 1, I'm a mill deck that sideboard converts into self-mill game 2. It still deals with the gy but game 1 youre spell heavy and game 2 youre creature heavy.
Anyway, have fun.