(Black), Discard a creature card: Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
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Tortured Existence occurrence in decks from the last year
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Tortured Existence Discussion
6 days ago
One thing I forgot to mention... Tortured Existence doesnt like Necropotence that much, thats why I had to cut Necropotence from my deck.. but I guess it should be fine here, drawing a ton of cards with it anyway, then swing for lethal. But just in case, watchout for that... And pretty much with any discard card in a deck with Necropotence, unless you dont care about your own graveyard. :D
But again, really amazing "themed" deck!
1 week ago
Forever Young/Gravepurge are both great ways to reanimate any creatures from your graveyard with Bolas's Citadel (even triggering Syr Konrad's ability.
Tortured Existence is in my opinion much better than Phyrexian Reclamation in reanimator orientated decks and is "cheaper" to use. I use it in my Syr Konrad's For the Void as part of the engine, together with Desecrated Tomb (which also makes BLACK tokens for Ayara) + Phyrexian Altar to go infinite.
Songs of the Damned, Crypt of Agadeem, Everglades - are all nice and cheap ramp cards for mono black decks.
Overall, the decklist looks pretty good! :)
1 week ago
Hello there! Totally cool list, this should be upvoted more! :3
For most decks that runs black I recommend Tortured Existence. Very cool and oldschool card just for one that can easily get you some big reanimator targets into your graveyard and some smaller creature back into your hand to re-cast it, at instant speed. However, I personally use it as an engine in my Syr Konrad's For the Void deck, together with Desecrated Tomb and Phyrexian Altar. I think it could fit here aswell, since you could get infinite experience counters to reanimate literally any creature that would ever exist (most likely). :D
The bad thing is, that combo doesnt work with Necropotence :( But you can draw as many cards as you want with your Grim Haruspex (Dark Prophecy/Smothering Abomination are an alternative options).
Viscera Seer for just one is pretty great. Woe Strider does the same thing (but can't sac itself though), but costs more, but gives you 0/1 goat token and can get itself out of the graveyard.
Also, with those forcing sacrifice effects (Fleshbag Marauder etc.), how about It That Betrays to take over you opponent's stuff as either a fuel for your cards of beat them with their own cards? :D
2 weeks ago
Check some Shirei decks, most creatures have just 1 power, so they can sac/reanimate all the time and its pretty sick :)
Village Rites is better version of Altar's Reap
Black Market can be very good, especially if you can go crazy and put tons of counters on it.. or it just eats removal instead of some more important card in your deck.
Tortured Existence - absolutely great creature retrieval just for and can go crazy with your Desecrated Tomb. I use it in combination of Phyrexian Altar as infinite etb/etg engine. Bitter Ordeal to exile everyone's library; Emergence Zone to make it instant speed if needed.
Hell's Caretaker can be fairly good reanimator for Shirei aswell.
Crypt of Agadeem,Dark Ritual,Bubbling Muck,Songs of the Damned are cheap for mana ramp.
Mutilate is just board version of Defile, might aswell use both?
Altar of the Brood easy mill just for that triggers upon any permanent you play.
Insidious Dreams - to cast your combos from top of your library if you manage to keep Bolas's Citadel on board. Forever Young/Gravepurge for casting creatures from your graveyard (top of your library with Bolas's Citadel).
Blanket of Night if you get more non-swamp lands and you're on low budget. Its just cheaper enchantment version of Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.
Call the Bloodline could be easy way to get creatures into your graveyard, get some sacrifice dork and reanimate them later.
Priest of Forgotten Gods this pretty lady could be a nice addition to Shirei aswell, if you get some cards that make sacrifice dorks/etc. blahblah
2 weeks ago
Tortured Existence for easy swap of big creatures to reanimate later for small creature to cast them again during early game.
Cards like Sadistic Sacrament, Bitter Ordeal, Nightmare Incursion, Praetor's Grasp are great for removing either important combo pieces of opponent's decks or just remove anything that could directly harm you and your plan. Peer into the Abyss could be fun aswell, also Temporal Extortion.
Fabled Passage - I dont really understand why would you use this in mono-color deck? Doesnt really seems like worth using just for another land for Urborg.
Beacon of Unrest - Really nice card to reanimate any creature or artifact.
Buried Alive, Reanimate and Entomb are just classic reanimator cards.
Blood for Bones, Victimize are also pretty decent reanimator cards.
Mortuary/Haunted Crossroads - kinda reanimator enchantments for Bolas's Citadel
For Syr Konrad, the Grim I run Tainted Strike as a sneaky finisher. All you need is a lot of creatures on board and someone just board-wiping them or I use Tortured Existence+Desecrated Tomb+Phyrexian Altar
Cavalier of Night - works both as good sac outlet and reanimator for creatures with cmc or less.
Clackbridge Troll could be worth using both as "food" for Massacre Wurm and force opponents to either sac or take damage from Troll during combat.
3 weeks ago
I would cut Conspiracy, since most of your creatures are zombies anyway and little tokens you create, you could just sacrifice asap with Ayara/Conrad on board.
Prismatic Geoscope - read rules on Gatherer.wizards.com - its 5 mana rock, that enters the battlefield tapped and can produce only one mana = useless in mono color deck. Better go with Sol Ring/Mana Geode/Arcane Signet are better options for that.
I use Tortured Existence+Desecrated Tomb in my For the Void deck and its just pure awesomeness. Every activasion of TD triggers Syr Conrad's ability twice (one creature coming out of you GY, another one coming in) and DT gives you 1/1 BLACK bat token with flying (which matters for Ayara). Its also insant speed activation, so you can use them to create flying blockers and a lot of tokens to sacrifice. Add in Phyrexian Altar and you can go infinite with either Ayara or Syr Konrad.
Sanguine Bond - With weak life gain in this deck, I wouldnt bother with this. I would replace it with more ramp - Caged Sun/Black Market or Songs of the Damned (which would work even better with Buried Alive), etc.; Village Rites would be very nice card draw (of course Phyrexian Arena, Necropotence is a big thing too).
Liliana of the Dark Realms could be also pretty nice for ramp.
You can always keep Sanguine Bond and throw in more life gain stuff life Whip of Erebos/Dread Presence/Ivory Tower/Venser's Journal or graveyard hate cards like Crypt Incursion/Suffer the Past.
Woe Strider could be used as instant sac outlet for your Ayara, with a 0/1 WHITE token and scry 1 as a nice bonus.
Cabal Coffers,Lake of the Dead,Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx - also very good lands for mono black decks, just not for low budget decks. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth - probably not worth it if you dont run that many non-swamp lands.
Cards I would cut off:
Forlorn Pseudamma - 4 cmc 2/1, that needs to be tapped and pay additional just to make 2/2 zombie seems not very good.
Piper of the Swarm - they only thing making rats is Piper and Plague of Vermin (which is ok though). Piper works much better in Ayara rat decks. In this almost zombie tribal deck, Piper just doesnt really fit.
Syphon Flesh - Very independent on your opponent's board state and number of opponents.. So its kinda 50/50.
Conspiracy - Unless you're going to do some shenanigans with making non-zombie creatures and tokens into zombies (I counted 10 things in total that are either non-zombie creatures or make non-zombie tokens), I really wouldnt waste a card space with it, unless you can do some absurd amount of tokens.
Prismatic Geoscope - as I already said above.
3 weeks ago
I would personally replace:
Prism Ring for Trading Post - Could be very handy artifact in decks like this.
The Immortal Sun for Exquisite Blood - creates infinite loop with Vito and Sanguine Bond, but isnt cheap. I wouldnt bother with The Immortal Sun, unless your playgroup runs a lot of planeswalkers or you struggle with card draw (which shouldnt be a problem in mono-black.
The Haunt of Hightower - I would say you need either more discard or mill effects to get Hightower big.. Doom Whisperer seems to be much more useful.
Tavern Swindler - Its just gamble that doesnt seem to be worthy in a deck, where you can already get a lot of life by other cards. Bastion of Remembrance works as another aristocrat effect (Tortured Existence+Desecrated Tomb+Phyrexian Altar as infinite engine).
Dreadhorde Invasion - You dont use any other Amass effect cards and it takes 6 turns to make a 6/6 zombie with lifelink (which will last only until end of your turn), which is pretty meh. It would be good if you had some sacrifice cards, like Smothering Abomination, Village Rites, Diabolic Intent, etc. I would go for either Twilight Prophet or Bloodline Keeper Flip. Captivating Vampire could be useful aswell. With Carnival of Souls you could get a bit of ramp, but can backfire really hard, so its kinda risky.
Gifted Aetherborn - is pretty nice drop I guess, but feels kinda weak overall. Kalastria Highborn supports your mostly vampire creatures and can also drain your opponents.
Swiftfoot Boots - unless you want the haste, Whispersilk Cloak seems like a decent option. It cost more to cast and to equip, but makes your creature unblockable.
Drag to the Underworld - should do a good job, Oblivion Strike might be something to consider aswell. Or just Corrupt?
Some more cards that might be useful:
Call the Bloodline - discards useless cards and makes a 1/1 vampire token (once per turn).
Revenge of Ravens - decent defensive enchantment that could fit your lifesteal deck nicely.
Burnished Hart - slow ramp creature. BH also triggers your Dread Presence and Staff of the Death Magus.
Crypt Incursion, Suffer the Past - more graveyard hate and another life gain.