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Leatherback Baloth Discussion
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
Heldt honestly, I might sub Wayward Swordtooth for Leatherback Baloth myself, even if the low land count means I don't always get the full benefit of its Explore effect. Cryptolith Rite versus Emerald Medallion is intriguing as well, and certainly warrants testing. Depending on the decks you expect to face, I might recommend removing Avatar of Might instead of Beastmaster Ascension, but it really depends.
As for Boots and Greaves, I'm not sure I have a good answer. Primal Bellow, maybe? I really like having one or both of them, but I'm not sure where to find room. I'm glad I was able to inspire you to tackle the deck yourself!
1 month ago
I don't really want to take out Beastmaster Ascension but I don't see where else to make room. I think being able to cast Ghalta on my opponent's end step is invaluable. I would like some other haste enablers like Lightning Greaves, or Swiftfoot Boots, but I don't really see room for those. Might be able to squeeze in one of my favorites, Hall of the Bandit Lord.
1 month ago
Heres my list of suggestions
Curve the deck to 60 cards
Strength of the Pack is way too expensive for a deck like this
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx would be fairly good for dumping your hand due to the amount of devotion in the deck
Aspect of Hydra is bonkers in mono-green decks like this
Since you have no removal, I'd add Dismember
I'd consider Experiment One because it can get big, fast
1 month ago
colton815, lukas96 and xaerusblade let's all calm down. I don't want everyone mad at each other over some differences of opinion on some card choices. The beauty of this game is that there are countless ways to build a deck and express one's creativity. You have all made some valid points, but I think the deck in it's current form above is a good place to begin some more testing. I may play around with adding Groundbreaker and some of the combat tricks mentioned above, but I like the current state of the list.
It is also fine to talk about curving out perfectly and having x power on the board by turn 3/4 but we know that things never go to plan when playing Magic. Your opponent is trying to win too and will do everything possible to disrupt your gameplan while executing theirs. It is very likely that my one or two-drop gets Thoughtseized or Fatal Pushed so adding card such as Nykthos seems risky. The most devotion I can have on turn 3 with no disruption is 3, unless I am missing something, so attempting to curve out with Experiment One -> Strangleroot Geist -> Leatherback Baloth would be the same with 3 forests and 2 forests and a Nykthos. The bad part about Nykthos is if I don't curve out like that or my creatures are killed, I now can't cast a Leatherback and I am behind in the game and on board. The type of curve and deck Nykthos would want is something like Forest Elvish Mystic -> Nykthos Burning-Tree Emissary -> Burning-Tree Emissary = 5 mana on turn 2 -> cast something big.
The same can be said for mana dorks, I want to curve out like a described above. I want relevant creatures that can attack, not ramp. If I curve out like this deck wants, I will have attacked for 9 by turn 3 and put 9 power on the board (or even attacked for 15 by turn 3 with a Groundbreaker on t3). There is a case for causing similar damage curving out with t2 baloth into multiple Strangleroot or a Groundbreaker, but it has a higher risk of being disrupted causing you to be behind on board, in my opinion.
This is how I decided to build this deck, but as I said there are hundreds of ways to build it. If anyone wants to try a build this deck with Nykthos or Llanowar Elves or Sylvan Advocate or Courser of Kruphix or any number of other cards be my guest! I am sure it will be sweet and fun and might even win some games. Cheers and thanks again for all your input and help and PASSION!
1 month ago
lukas96: no, YOU are the one that is wrong. idk how you calculated 10%, but that is flat wrong. you're suggesting someone is going to draw within the same 1/15th of their deck twice within 9 cards? no. come on now. use your head even just a little bit. and did you really just say "color screwed in a mono colored deck"? what. are. you. smoking? its green stompy. the mana ramp is HUGE. i DO read cards before i recommend them. i OWN the card. i USE the card. to great success. don't EVER tell me i'm wrong about Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx.
1 month ago
lukas96: you're flat wrong about Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. only being able to have 1 out at a time is irrelevant because the chances of actually drawing 2 in a single game is minimal, and you can activate 1, then play and activate the other in the same turn. also, the low curve is why he DOES want to use it. it can easily allow for multiple spells in a single turn. something that aggro very much wants. unreliable? absolutely not. it easily produces green mana. you say "its only going to be able to produce green mana when its your 3rd land" but i think you mean "when you have 3 devotion". which is extremely easy.
if you still think Treetop Village is usable, then my guess is you've been extremely lucky and not run into any situations where you drew it and couldn't play something on curve because of it. i guarantee that after just a few games of drawing it on turn 3 and not being able to play Leatherback Baloth on curve you'll change your mind. just because it dealt the last few points of damage doesn't mean it "won you the game". the chances of drawing it turn 1 are minimal at best even if you were to run a full 4 copies.
final note about Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. imagine this example.
turn 1: Dryad Militant or some mana dork.turn 2: Strangleroot Geistturn 3: play Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx and use it to make 3 green mana for Leatherback Balothturn 4: you have 2 forests and nykthos. activate it for 5 mana. play another Leatherback Baloth. play another nykthos. use the 2 floating mana to activate the 2nd nykthos for 8 mana. cast 2 Groundbreaker
1 month ago
Thanks to LordNeely, lukas96, Snap157, xaerusblade and colton815 for all of the feedback! Many of you mentioned Avatar of the Resolute and I agree completely. I made this with cards I owned and did not own any Avatar, but I will work on acquiring some. I am cutting the utility lands but not Treetop Village. That land has been fantastic. It avoid sweepers and has trample which are 2 very relevant things. Sure it comes into play tapped, but I don't always get to play on curve due to disruption from my opponent. They could turn 1 thoughtseize my 1 drop leaving me with a 2 drop and nothing to do on turn 1, but playing a treetop on turn 1 is a very relevant play. It has also won me a good chunk of games. I will need to look into acquiring Scavenging Ooze as I do not own any. It is certainly a great card and would fit the deck while providing some very good utility. I am not sure Thrun, the Last Troll is worth the price tag (at least from my point of view). Great Sable Stag has been an all-star out of the sideboard. It wrecks Death's Shadow and many UB strategies. I'll have to do some testing with Groundbreaker. I like the idea of a 2/2 split between it and Leatherback Baloth and Groundbreaker is a much better top-deck when you need to get through the last couple points of damage. I agree with lukas96, my curve is much too low to have a need for Nykthos. xaerusblade your deck looks very sweet, and I like your SB suggestion of Shapers' Sanctuary. I have played with that card in standard and you can see the pain on your opponent's face when they kill your creature and that on the battlefield. I'll be considering and playtesting many of the other suggestions (Vines of Vastwood, Dungrove Elder, Apostle's Blessing etc..). Thanks again!