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Steel Sabotage Discussion
1 month ago
Fatal Push, Underground River, and Mental Misstep are under $5 dollars, so I'm not going to give replacements on those, but for Ancient Tomb , City of Traitors , Glimmervoid , Inkmoth Nexus , Mox Opal , and Mox Diamond , I'd replace those with 3 Islands and a Swamp and add a River of Tears and Spire of Industry .
For Force of Will , I'd use Steel Sabotage , it acts as an occasional counter and protection for your artifacts if you bounce them in response to removal, or to reuse them in case of Renaming a new card with Revoker or getting another cast trigger on Sai, etc.
5 months ago
This seems impressively risky. Do you have a contingency for if the Knowledge Pool'd cards end up being trash (aside from up to two more casts, of course)?
Perhaps consider Steel Sabotage or Into Thin Air or similar to safeguard against a bad Imprint? Of course, there is the risk of these being pulled by Knowledge Pool, but the worst case is that you get your Pool back in hand.
Retract is perfect (the wording prevents an opponent affecting you with it through Knowledge Pool), but is very expensive versus the rest of this deck.
6 months ago
This is frickin' hilarious and I'm jealous I didn't think of it first.
My own janky Knowledge Pool deck has given me some experience building around a single artifact. So based on my totally expert opinion here's some feedback:
I notice you primarily have equipment tutors but, aside from Spy Kit , no equipment. I'd swap most or all of those for less specific tutors so they're not dead cards once you find your Spy Kit. With access to any color, there are plenty to pick from. Gamble , Long-Term Plans , Demonic Tutor , and Dark Petition are all fine candidates that don't require a second mortgage. 2-cost Transmute spells like Muddle the Mixture and Dimir Infiltrator are also viable options.
Usually - in my experience - decks built around a single linchpin card either have some response for every vector of attack, or get repeatedly punked. Some suggestions to plug gaps in your defense:
- 2+ Counterspells so you don't get instantly neutered by Extract or similar effects. Ex: Negate , Swan Song .
- 2+ Bounces to dodge attempts to exile/steal your precious Spy Kit. Ex: Steel Sabotage , Leave / Chance .
- Ditch Silas Renn, Seeker Adept for less conditional, more cost-efficient graveyard reclamation. Ex: Buried Ruin , Argivian Find , Noxious Revival , Reconstruction .
- Pull from Eternity because you have access to white and why not?
- Maybe some misc battlefield protection to keep the thing alive? Ex: Welding Jar , Spellskite .
Well that got a lot longer and more speculative than I intended. I'm just gonna bang out my remaining thoughts in disorganized rant form.
As an alternate way to set up the Eradicate play, you could temporarily steal a creature (e.g. with Traitorous Blood or whatever) and equip Spy Kit while it's under your control. It'll remain equipped when the creature returns to its owner.
Personally, I think the expensive-ass dual lands are overkill for a fun experimental deck like this - I'd pack it with signets and tri-color lands, then buy myself a car with the money I saved. Sure, the deck would ramp slightly slower. But it would be more resistant to MLD, and have more targets for artifact tutors; and I could store it in my spare car.
Anyway in summary: Awesome deck idea, exactly the type of silly nonsense that makes this game fun!
6 months ago
7 months ago
That's why we've got that spicy Steel Sabotage lol
8 months ago
Maybe you are interested in my latest overservations in a game or two. I have made some changes before going to our edh night yesterday and wanted to test some cards on my maybe list, some of which I already had in the deck earlier. I went about exchanges rigorously, even trying to replace cards that I hadn't touched in a while just to see how important they really are if they are missing:
IN: Narset Transcendent, Karn, Scion of Urza, Preordain, Impulse, Disenchant, Muddle the Mixture, Serra Ascendant
OUT: Metalworker, Staff of Domination, Cataclysm, Chalice of the Void, Land Tax, Scroll Rack, Steel Sabotage
This was quite a lot but it's easier to see how the deck performs when several flex slots are tuned in a different direction.
My first observation was that I would not have wanted Lavinia in the command zone instead in the game(s) I've played. I was able to cast GAAIV on t2 and he was countered by a FoW, after that player mulled to 6, so his options were rather exploited afterwards. I had GAAIV out 2 turns later with casting additional ramp and a Disenchant in the turn between, and then it was absolutely clear that the +/- 1 tax was a lot more useful overall than the abilities of Lavinia would have been. I specifically looked at how the game would have been influenced if I had her instead of GAAIV and there would have been a lot more going through unchecked than with GAAIV. The FoW on the commander would have been possible anyway and everything afterwards wasn't that expensive overall. It was pretty clear that GAAIV hindered the setup of whatever everyone wanted to do for quite a while. I had a Back to Basics and Sphere of Resistance later, and the cost increase did a lot to make the game unplayable for at least two players. What I was looking for was Armageddon/Ravages of War then, to shut down the opponent with the most basic lands. In this case Lavinia would have been a nice addition but finding the MLD spells was the issue in the first place.
It felt like the cheaper cantrips and the additional draw engines Narset/Karn would have done a lot if I had drawn them. Karn would even have made a solid win con because his tokens would have gone unblocked and undisrupted for several turns and would have been big enough to do serious damage. Getting Narset to ultimate would also have been possible. I did see a Preordain and used it and it helped me skip 2 turns of bad draws...good job. I am not so sure if removing Scroll Rack was a good idea, because I had a few situations in which looking ahead and exchanging multiple cards might have made a difference, especially with fetchlands inbetween. Not including the Land Tax/Scroll Rack draw engine did feel awkward for me in the past but actually getting them both into play in the way "parfait" used it isn't that realistic here.
Removing the Metalworker/Staff of Domination combo didn't hurt that much yesterday because I didn't see any combo pieces at all but the whole package of engine/top/key/monolith/rings/staff/metalworker makes it rather easy to complete ANY possible combo with single tutors. Not playing Chalice of the Void makes it easier to rely on the combos using Sensei's Divining Top as well, when before I could also go for Staff as an outlet for Metalworker or Monolith/Rings. There's still Helm/RIP anyway because that's so simple to play.
As for Serra Ascendant, I thought it would be interesting to try again how much a blocker/beater/lifegain source would influence how the game goes on staxed out tables (which we often see here) but I was again so quickly below 30 life because of various effects (not combat) that drawing the creature wouldn't have helped. Being able to play it very early in the game with GAAIV or another taxing effect afterwards, maybe then MLD as a follow up might still be a reason to keep it, but overall it feels a bit random.
Eventually I'd say Narset Transcendent, Karn, Scion of Urza, Preordain, Muddle the Mixture are fine to play while Serra Ascendant is not that convincing. Disenchant seems to be fine instead of Steel Sabotage because a straightforward "destroy" on two card types makes up for not being able to counter artifacts. Impulse is ok, could be Scroll Rack as well in several situations...or maybe even another bigger draw spell, such as Time Spiral, Braingeyser, Stroke of Genius, Sphinx's Revelation...Not really a fan of the X spells though in my current build.
Another card I might have a closer look at is Spellseeker. I think it's often a tutor for removal or another tutor that can get a different card type (for example Transmute Artifact). Have to check how often it's really worth to invest mana in that, even when the cost is reduced by GAAIV. I need to find a slot for Lavinia anyway and maybe we will get another card in the new set that has to be included.
It has been long until I actually reconsidered my current card choices, so please excuse the wall of text. I would appreciate input from your side if you have some time to spare!
10 months ago
Overall that looks a ton better! Over time, there are a few tweaks you can make to sharpen it up (such as replacing the Drowned Catacombs with more fetches or Darkslick Shores. I think the biggest adjustment I'd make still is in the sideboard. Ceremonious Rejection is probably just better than Steel Sabotage. Being restricted to just artifacts is far too narrow, and rejection hits Karn and Ugin along with any Spaghetti Monsters you could think of.
Jace's Phantasm is an eh card at best... It does its thing, but if they have 10 or more cards in yard you're probably comboing or close to it right? Even in mill, I don't think many lists want to run it since you're not trying to win of damage. Plus, Jace's Phantasm just dies to most removal and that's an issue also.
10 months ago
SynergyBuild I even had Cataclysm out of the binder when I accidentially sold my UW Teferi out of the deck...and again last week when I was thinking about replacing Pendrell Mists with it. There's several Thing I consider for testing myself and Catalclysm as a full reset is one of them...there's just the problem that you need to keep it in mind all the time then, otherwise you might unintentionally create boardstates that would end up negatively for you post-cataclysm and it would be a dead card (because you absolutely don't want to play it). It's also counterproductive for the gameplan of focusing on artifact mana and blowing up the lands because you can only keep one artifact then. It's a huge trick though to cast it and float mana to cast more stuff afterwards...this is rather easy if you plan ahead because GAAIV makes it cost just 1WW and you surely have some spare mana then.
On the other hand, the double tabernacle effect is also nice, also because the enchantment is unaffected by Armageddon/ravages. I'm really not sure what is the better choice and what the meta must be like to make the decision easier. Maybe I'm not even correct with playing Pendrell Mists in my almost creatureless meta, where often only the commanders are important creatures. I might try that swap out soon.
Other cards I think could be interesting are for example putting Muddle the Mixture back in (I cut that for spellseeker). and play it alongside Spellseeker. transmute can get cards like Rest in Peace, Gilded Drake, Cursed Totem, Scroll Rack, Sphere of Resistance...the ability can even be copied with Rings of Brighthearth. Steel Sabotage might be a possible cut even thought the cmc would go up with that replacement. Chalice on 1 also approves of that choice, which is actually a valid argument.
There's so much to consider that it's not necessary to touch the most important and powerful stax cards like Trinisphere.
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