This combo generates infinite:
- Mana (any color your nonland mana sources can produce)
- Cast triggers
- Tap and untaps.
Note: This combo requires one or more nonland permanent(s) that taps for 3+ mana
- Play Isochron Scepter and exile Dramatic Reversal .
- Tap any nonland mana source(s) to produce 3 or more mana.
- Pay 2 of that mana to tap Isochron Scepter and cast the copy of Dramatic Reversal .
- When Dramatic Reversal is cast, untap Isochron Scepter and your nonland mana sources.
- Repeat steps 2 to 4.
1 month ago
I haven't seen this commander done before, seems pretty neat! In terms of single cards, I'd definitely recommend Frantic Search , Mystic Sanctuary , Drownyard Temple , Chemister's Insight , Deep Analysis . Good general looting/blue cards to go with your commander's self discard theme! Self mill could also work, in which case Fraying Sanity on yourself could have a high upside! If you're looking for a budget wincon with your deck, Tunnel Vision seems like a fun route to go! If you pair it with something like Vessel of Endless Rest or Proteus Staff (though the staff is like $4 :/) you can either mill an opponent out, or mill yourself out. At worst, Vessel of Endless Rest is a three mana mana rock that puts a wincon back in the deck. To that end, in your current build, your commander is a (sort of semi conditional) infinite mana sink that will end with you picking up your deck and winning the game with Lab man and the like. Not sure how you feel about infinite combos, but if you're looking for a budget infinite mana combo in the deck outside of Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter , Peregrine Drake / Cloud of Faeries + Deadeye Navigator is tried and true. Or if you go the artifact subtheme, Pili-Pala + Grand Architect might also work!
As for budget additions, I've had a lot of success with Sculpting Steel and Mirrormade . Both of these cards are relatively cheap and scale well depending on what your opponents play. You can double down on the best artifact/enchantment on board.
Since the deck seems a little hungry for mana, you could also double down on the key effects with ramp like Thran Dynamo , Gilded Lotus and Voltaic Key . Could help you get WAY ahead with your draw X spells.
To that end Emry, Lurker of the Loch seems to work in tandem with what you want your commander to do! Deck thinning and casting rocks from the bin!
Hope that gives some ideas! The commander seems rather open ended aside from wanting to draw ALL the cards, there are definitely a lot of different routes to go! For sure a cool commander!
2 months ago
Gilded Lotus, yes there are other mana rocks and if you look, we have many different ways to generate the infinite mana in the deck.
Pyretic Ritual is just that. A ritual effect. It helps us produce mana to get to our goals in storming off. Kess, Dissident Mage Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder and Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge all use Ritual as well to produce the mana that is needed for there storm decks to trigger the win.
Timetwister used to be in this deck, I removed it because honestly, I can't afford one. I could proxy it and etc... but its just not worth running a card i dont own since i take this deck to tournaments.
4 months ago
If you decide to build a Jhoira, weatherlight captain edh deck you just need a few simple ingredients: a lot of Mana rocks (20-30 preferably 2 cost or less), cost reducers for artifacts (there are quite a few but I'd recommend 4-7 of them), and win conditions ( 4-6 cards like Thassa's Oracle and Aetherflux Reservoir (( I personally do not recommend pinger effects like Psychosis Crawler or Reckless Fireweaver because you might run out of cards before they get the job done))).
My favorite combos are Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter for infinite Mana and Mystic Forge + Sensei's Divining Top for infinite card draw. The last suggestion I'd give is to steer away from red cards, my versions only have 2 red pips in the whole deck and one of those is jhoira herself and I find the imbalance actually helps the deck greatly as i only have to get 1 card in play that makes red Mana. Urza, Lord High Artificer is especially good here because if you get infinite Mana you instantly win with him. Also Forsaken Monument is really good in this deck as well because suddenly all your colorless rocks become sol rings, and your colorless lands become ancient tombs without the drawbacks. Basalt Monolith + Forsaken Monument is also an infinite Mana combo
One of the other big advantages in my opinion is the cards that double card draw or have similar effects to Jhoira. If every artifact you're playing draws you 12 cards you're going to plow through your whole deck in no time.
Lastly there's a lot of people who build Jhoira with a lot of mass bounce all your artifacts to your hand, but honestly I dislike the strat because it returns all of your costreducers back to hand too. I'd suggest running controllable ones like Chain of Vapor, Displacement Wave, and Paradoxical Outcome so you have a choice on which ones you're bouncing.
For a great starting point i would suggest looking at my physical list
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5 months ago
Orange+: I'm glad you enjoyed reading my ramblings! People who appreciate it like you are the reason I keep up with it. Thanks for reading!
Kashedbowl: Thank you for the suggestion! Manifold Key has worse art in my opinion and the secondary ability is almost entirely irrelevant to this deck, making it more of a choice of aesthetics. It also can't untap itself, in case you'd want to do that for... some reason. That was relevant back when Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth was in the deck so you could infinitely untap artifacts, but why use that when we have Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter ? But yes, if you want to get specific, Manifold Key is technically better.
6 months ago
So I'm not a Kykar pilot, but from what I've seen of them they're a big fan of infinite combos. A few that I know of involve achieving infinite cast triggers to feed Kykar's token generation, coupled with damaging etb effects like Impact Tremors and Purphoros, God of the Forge. Sac damage outlets such as Goblin Bombardment and Barrage of Expendables also do the trick. Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter is a big go to not only for infinite cast triggers, but infinite mana as well when combined with nonland mana producers. Another option would be to combine your Jeskai Ascendancy with a Retraction Helix and any 0-1 mana artifact. Use Helix to return your own artifact to your hand and then cast it. You'll then untap your creatures, make a spirit, sac the spirit for mana, and use Helix again to repeat the cycle. If you can do this with a 0 mana artifact it's also limitless creatures and mana. Good artifacts to use with this would be Everflowing Chalice, Spellbook, Sensei's Divining Top (not budget, I know, but it's a good pick for Kykar if you ever want to add more to it), and Sol Ring. There's also Arcane Adaptation and Bishop of Wings.
For general EDH deck building I think can be of some more use lol. Starting with your lands, I would recommend subbing out a lot of your lands that come in tapped. There are a lot of nice (fairly) budget options for multicolored lands like pain, filter, and check lands. If you can't find multicolored lands within your price range I would suggest just going with basics. Personally, I think that the speed benefit of a basic coming in untapped trumps the versatility that tapped lands will eventually provide.
As for rocks I'd recommend running the aforementioned Sol Ring and Everflowing Chalice. Sol Ring is just one of those cards that slots into just about every commander deck. As a general rule I try to avoid mana rocks at 3 cmc or above, just because that's around the point where they stop generating enough value to be worth running or even casting. You want your ramp to be hard and fast so that you can transition into making plays sooner. You don't want to be ramping on turn 5 when you could be pulling off big combos. In this regard you've already done really well in your selection, but I would suggest cutting Commander's Sphere and Chromatic Lantern. Lantern has its place in certain more color intensive decks, but I don't necessarily think you'll be needing it in a 3 color deck. Other good 2 cost options are Fellwar Stone, Mind Stone, and Prismatic Lens. Wayfarer's Bauble in your maybeboard is a good choice for this deck too.
You could probably use more efficient counters for controlling the board, like Counterspell. Some good commander counters include Swan Song, Flusterstorm, Delay, Negate, Dovin's Veto. Muddle the Mixture is a fantastic pick for flexible control and fetching your combo pieces. It hits both pieces of the Isochron combo, Bishop of Wings, and it can hit other valuable targets like Cyclonic Rift (another big commander card. Almost an auto include in blue decks). You'll also probably want to run more removal like Path to Exile, Swords to Plowshares, and Chaos Warp.
Finally, just as misc recommendations, I'd suggest swapping out Fumigate for Wrath of God. I'd also suggest adding in some mana sinks to win the game off of once you go infinite, like Comet Storm and Kumano, Master Yamabushi.
Overall this is really solid for a first time draft! I like your deck a lot and if you do decide to expand into commander I really hope you enjoy it. Hope this helped. :^)
7 months ago
7 months ago
kei1 So Niv-Mizzet, Parun is good because it is pretty much guaranteed to resolve on cast, rewards you whenever your opponents do things, and has a slightly better stat line. It is, however pretty mana intensive in requiring 3 blue and 3 red and it also requires some form of catalyst to access its card draw. Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind is a little easier to cast with 2 of its cost being colorless, and he doesn't need a catalyst to access his draw because it's a tap ability. It is only 1 card you get to draw from him though on his own, and his stats are slightly weaker. Overall I'd say Parun is probably stronger but there's nothing wrong with running both. Just improves your odds of finding one of your combo pieces.
As far as Thassa's Oracle and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries go, self-mill is actually one of the most powerful as most competitive win cons in EDH. It's extremely common for high tier cEDH decks to rely on cards like Thassa's Oracle as their primary win condition. Before Flash got banned, Flash Hulk decks were one of the strongest and most oppressive archetypes in the format because all you needed were flash and hulk in hand with the right cards in your deck and you could mill your entire library at instant speed and win with Laboratory Maniac. There are a lot of ways to mill your whole deck out there. If you wanted to do it in this one just take your Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter combo and any X draw spell like Prosperity or Blue Sun's Zenith and there you go. Library gone. Alternatively, you could use targeted X draw like Blue Sun's Zenith to just mill an opponent to death. Primarily with your Isochron you're going to be wanting Dramatic Reversal imprinted on it. That's why Muddle the Mixture is a good transmutation here. :^)
You're going to want to keep your mana rocks cheap and efficient. Additionally you want to be ramping hard and fast, so 3+ cost rocks aren't really ideal for a deck that's wanting to be more than casual. Spend your first few turns ramping as much as possible, then by turn 4-5 (or even 3 if you ramp fast enough) you want to be making your plays. For example, let's say you have potentially 5 mana turn 3. Would you rather cast Nekusar with a Force of Will/Force of Negation ready or a Gilded Lotus? You don't want to be dropping rocks when you could be making plays. Plus expensive rocks like Gilded Lotus are going to be big removal targets. If you cast it and it gets blown up, you're gonna be set back quite a ways.
As for Cowardice you're mainly just going to want to protect stuff like Nekusar with your counters and as was mentioned before Swiftfoot Boots and Lightning Greaves. It's more important to just keep him on the field. And if it's the commander tax you're worried about consider this: how much mana are you going to be spending over the course of the game recasting Nekusar from your hand every time someone targets him with anything at all? Just make sure that when you cast him from your command zone you have the ability to make him stick on the field.
Finally with bounce keep in mind that sure you can bounce a card and then potentially wheel it out of their hand into the graveyard, but removal does exactly that anyway without the extra step or the risk of them being able to cast it again before you wheel. Keeping some bounce in isn't a bad idea like you said to potentially deal with stuff that's indestructible, but I would advise you focus on removal first and foremost and run bounce as a secondary thing. Don't take out Cyclonic Rift though. That card is almost an auto include (there are no actual auto includes, but this one is pretty close) for any deck running blue. Very good card. Plus if you took out some of your bounce you could run some cards more suited to your general strategy, like Notion Thief! Seriously though wheeling out your opponents and then flashing in a Notion Thief so they get 6 less cards than you is just dirty.
Hope this helps! Anymore questions just let me know. Always happy to help. :^)