This combo generates infinite:
- Mana (any color your nonland mana sources can produce)
- Cast triggers
- Tap and untaps.
Note: This combo requires one or more nonland permanent(s) that taps for 3+ mana
1 week ago
Have you considered Mind's Desire? With Tidespout Tyrant on the battlefield, you can bounce two 0-drop artifacts (e.g Mana Crypt and Mox Opal) to create an infinite storm count, then cast your entire deck. You wouldn't need the Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter combo.
1 month ago
Scroll Rack works best with tutors, searching your library, and shuffling it. Soothsaying could be really good, but only if you can reliably pay 5 mana to shuffle your library. If you don't have a mana combo (I'd suggest Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter and you can get infinite untaps and mana) then Crystal Ball is much less of an investment mana wise.
4 months ago
"Replaced Merciless Eviction with Nevinyrral, Urborg Tyrant Reason: The instant speed removal potential of Nevinyrral, Urborg Tyrant and the several sacrifice outlets in the deck, plus being free with Rooftop Storm , makes this a better include. While the deck can recover from having it's perminants exiled, it isn't something I'm overly keen on rebuilding through.
Replaced Animate Dead with Necromancy Reason: Necromancy lets me return and sacrifice Nevinyrral, Urborg Tyrant during my oppponents' turns, which is awesome. It also gives Nev more flexibility at creating tapped 2/2 zombies following any of their own board wipes.
Replaced Liliana's Standard Bearer with Rhystic Study Reason: Liliana's Standard Bearer is just too situational. I've kept it in my sideboard to help depower the deck depending on the playgroup. I really like it and it does work well with Haakon.
Replaced Mystical Tutor with Leyline of Anticipation Reason: There are too few instant and sorceries for me to be able to justify this. I've found that having the ability to generate infinite mana with Gravecrawler and Phyrexian Altar is much better. Or instant speed wraths with Damnation .
Replaced Scheming Symmetry with Intuition Reason: I wanted to reduce the number of tutor effects in the deck, though I've had a spare Intuition for some time and really wanted to find a home for it. It seems to work really well, especially with Sevinne's Reclamation
Replaced Silence with Trickbind Reason: Silence was there to help me secure the win if I need to go through the Dream Halls but the majority of the time, if I've managed to get down Notion Thief first and wheel, then it does the same effect. Trickbind does also give me protection against planeswalker abilities and most graveyard exile effects.
Replaced Dramatic Reversal with Mind Over Matter Reason: I had looked to play online, with one discord channel advising that I would need to remove the Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter combo, as it would be too strong. They also told me to remove Mana Crypt , though this is partly a deck designed to use some of my more expensive cards and make Varina as optimized as possible while still keeping the zombie theme. Adding in Mind Over Matter was a lucky find. In order for the infinite loop, I need to discard my deck to my graveyard. I enjoy the 4 blue mana cost, as it's harder to reach that devotion. Thankfully, with the treasure tokens from Smothering Tithe and Replenish to cheat it back into play.
Replaced Isochron Scepter with Emergency Powers Reason: Removing the Scepter makes sense as it's not required for the infinite loop anymore. But I've found that adding a 3rd Timetwister effect means a higher chance of drawing into one following a previous instance, like Echo of Eons + Time Spiral . These work really nicely with Narset's Reversal and God-Eternal Kefnet , as both bypass the exile clause on a lot of these cards - in addition to Teferi's Protection . Being instant speed also gives me a layer of protection against graveyard exile effects."
6 months ago
I haven't seen this commander done before, seems pretty neat! In terms of single cards, I'd definitely recommend Frantic Search , Mystic Sanctuary , Drownyard Temple , Chemister's Insight , Deep Analysis . Good general looting/blue cards to go with your commander's self discard theme! Self mill could also work, in which case Fraying Sanity on yourself could have a high upside! If you're looking for a budget wincon with your deck, Tunnel Vision seems like a fun route to go! If you pair it with something like Vessel of Endless Rest or Proteus Staff (though the staff is like $4 :/) you can either mill an opponent out, or mill yourself out. At worst, Vessel of Endless Rest is a three mana mana rock that puts a wincon back in the deck. To that end, in your current build, your commander is a (sort of semi conditional) infinite mana sink that will end with you picking up your deck and winning the game with Lab man and the like. Not sure how you feel about infinite combos, but if you're looking for a budget infinite mana combo in the deck outside of Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter , Peregrine Drake / Cloud of Faeries + Deadeye Navigator is tried and true. Or if you go the artifact subtheme, Pili-Pala + Grand Architect might also work!
As for budget additions, I've had a lot of success with Sculpting Steel and Mirrormade . Both of these cards are relatively cheap and scale well depending on what your opponents play. You can double down on the best artifact/enchantment on board.
Since the deck seems a little hungry for mana, you could also double down on the key effects with ramp like Thran Dynamo , Gilded Lotus and Voltaic Key . Could help you get WAY ahead with your draw X spells.
To that end Emry, Lurker of the Loch seems to work in tandem with what you want your commander to do! Deck thinning and casting rocks from the bin!
Hope that gives some ideas! The commander seems rather open ended aside from wanting to draw ALL the cards, there are definitely a lot of different routes to go! For sure a cool commander!
7 months ago
Gilded Lotus, yes there are other mana rocks and if you look, we have many different ways to generate the infinite mana in the deck.
Pyretic Ritual is just that. A ritual effect. It helps us produce mana to get to our goals in storming off. Kess, Dissident Mage Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder and Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge all use Ritual as well to produce the mana that is needed for there storm decks to trigger the win.
Timetwister used to be in this deck, I removed it because honestly, I can't afford one. I could proxy it and etc... but its just not worth running a card i dont own since i take this deck to tournaments.
8 months ago
If you decide to build a Jhoira, weatherlight captain edh deck you just need a few simple ingredients: a lot of Mana rocks (20-30 preferably 2 cost or less), cost reducers for artifacts (there are quite a few but I'd recommend 4-7 of them), and win conditions ( 4-6 cards like Thassa's Oracle and Aetherflux Reservoir (( I personally do not recommend pinger effects like Psychosis Crawler or Reckless Fireweaver because you might run out of cards before they get the job done))).
My favorite combos are Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter for infinite Mana and Mystic Forge + Sensei's Divining Top for infinite card draw. The last suggestion I'd give is to steer away from red cards, my versions only have 2 red pips in the whole deck and one of those is jhoira herself and I find the imbalance actually helps the deck greatly as i only have to get 1 card in play that makes red Mana. Urza, Lord High Artificer is especially good here because if you get infinite Mana you instantly win with him. Also Forsaken Monument is really good in this deck as well because suddenly all your colorless rocks become sol rings, and your colorless lands become ancient tombs without the drawbacks. Basalt Monolith + Forsaken Monument is also an infinite Mana combo
One of the other big advantages in my opinion is the cards that double card draw or have similar effects to Jhoira. If every artifact you're playing draws you 12 cards you're going to plow through your whole deck in no time.
Lastly there's a lot of people who build Jhoira with a lot of mass bounce all your artifacts to your hand, but honestly I dislike the strat because it returns all of your costreducers back to hand too. I'd suggest running controllable ones like Chain of Vapor, Displacement Wave, and Paradoxical Outcome so you have a choice on which ones you're bouncing.
For a great starting point i would suggest looking at my physical list
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10 months ago
Orange+: I'm glad you enjoyed reading my ramblings! People who appreciate it like you are the reason I keep up with it. Thanks for reading!
Kashedbowl: Thank you for the suggestion! Manifold Key has worse art in my opinion and the secondary ability is almost entirely irrelevant to this deck, making it more of a choice of aesthetics. It also can't untap itself, in case you'd want to do that for... some reason. That was relevant back when Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth was in the deck so you could infinitely untap artifacts, but why use that when we have Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter ? But yes, if you want to get specific, Manifold Key is technically better.