When a Good Man goes to War

Commander / EDH Multiplayer Tokens W/B (Orzhov)

Jp3ngu1nb0y Score: 38


Description

Casual Planeswalker EDH deck based on producing masses of tokens and draining life for total board control.

For those of you who don't know, Planeswalker EDH is a casual format of... a casual format.
Instead of a legendary creature, a Planeswalker serves as General, and follows most of the same rules (i.e. Command Zone, Additional Casting Costs, etc.). However, a player cannot win through "commander damage," because not all planeswalkers have access to it, making Gideon Jura and Chandra Nalaar a big advantage.
Also, you can't have any planeswalkers in the deck aside from your general: this is because many have multiple versions, and having 3 Lilianas in your deck against someone who uses her as general would suck for them (thanks again, Planeswalker Rule).

If it sounds like something you'd like, try it. It's fantastic, and a great change from normal EDH.

If you're interested, here are my friends' decks:
colors-are-beat
Some Kind of Madness
EDHP tezzeret,agent of bolas
Thanks everyone!

Updates

Thanks! — March 19, 2013

Wow, I'm so glad people are digging the format so much! I can't believe how well it's caught on. Thanks to everyone who gave me suggestions, +1'd, or just found this interesting.

Don't forget, I want to know if you have any suggestions for the format/my deck in general, any luck trying your hand at Planeswalker EDH, anything.

Thanks guys!

Bnyan says... #1

... A planeswalker is your General? You can't do that I'm fairly certain.

March 12, 2013 8:11 a.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #2

I am aware, it's a variant of EDH. It's certainly not legal for tournaments haha, but if I need to I could use Teysa, Orzhov Scion.

March 12, 2013 8:35 a.m.

...Devils Run!!!

EXCELLENT Doctor Who reference!

March 12, 2013 11:51 a.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #4

Haha, yes. It gets even better when you know that my friend runs a Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded deck ;D

March 12, 2013 11:54 a.m.

gibson0111 says... #5

I really really really like this idea! I kind of want to try it now... Is Sorin also a lonely god?

March 12, 2013 1:58 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #6

You should, it's amazingly fun. Not to be that guy, but +1 if ya dig the deck because it makes me feel good.

And yes, yes he is ;D

March 12, 2013 2 p.m.

qv15langx says... #7

I like that Crescendo of War. Good deck, will be fun to play.

March 12, 2013 9:29 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #8

Why thank you.

March 12, 2013 9:59 p.m.

llamamymamma says... #9

you get all the internets for that doctor who reference. also really cool format

March 12, 2013 10:19 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #10

Thanks! If you want to see more check out Some Kind of Madness and garruk-relentless-edh, which are my friend's decks!

March 12, 2013 10:21 p.m.

the_Nunn says... #11

+1 for Doctor Who references.

March 13, 2013 1:41 a.m.

MagnaLynx21 says... #12

Tick-tock, goes the clock, 'till tokens kill The Doctor...

March 14, 2013 5:52 a.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #13

Hahaha!

March 14, 2013 7:36 a.m.

killroy726 says... #14

Ok one like the dr. who reference here is my deck that I made for this format Chandra Archmagus

March 14, 2013 11:20 a.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #15

Pleased to see people trying it!

March 14, 2013 8:17 p.m.

qv15kristoc says... #16

Yo I just clicked on this deck wondering what it was...

March 14, 2013 8:23 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #17

I think that goes without saying Char

March 14, 2013 10:01 p.m.

Matticus90 says... #18

March 14, 2013 11:33 p.m.

Matticus90 says... #19

Also Cathars' Crusade might work better than Crescendo of War

March 14, 2013 11:34 p.m.

Royberto says... #20

Vindicate is a must have in any b/w edh, ANY. Obzedat, Ghost Council is better than the old ghost council because it doesn't have a price to have it trigger its effect, and it leeches more health!

March 14, 2013 11:39 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #21

All of the suggestions are great, and I've looked into them before. The problem is money xD
Diabolic Tutor and Cathars' Crusade are doable however, I'll look into them further

March 14, 2013 11:42 p.m.

Royberto says... #22

Obzedat, Ghost Council should be a reasonable price, Vindicate is a pretty midrange price card, i think mine was 15$, Demonic Tutor isn't all that pricey at least where i go they're 12$. Welcome to edh, enjoy being broke.

March 14, 2013 11:47 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #23

Well my current funds amount to a whopping $0, and I have now job and am 15 so those are all a little high for me, I might be able to trade someone for a Ghost Dad because they're in Standard though.

March 15, 2013 7:41 a.m.

Royberto says... #24

Yeah but the price of most guildmasters has gone way down, yeah i'd save up or wait for money to get things like Demonic Tutor or Vindicate, but they're excellent cards to have in this deck.

March 15, 2013 7:35 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #25

Yea, I'm actually trying to trade for Ghost Dad right this second so that might happen

March 15, 2013 7:53 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #26

Trade accomplished!

March 16, 2013 1:11 a.m.

struck21 says... #27

Does your commander/general go into the normal planeswalker zone or on the battlefield like normal?

March 16, 2013 8:21 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #28

Once it's in play, it's treated like a normal Planeswalker. When it's killed it's moved into the Command Zone, like a General would in EDH.

March 16, 2013 11:28 p.m.

gibson0111 says... #29

March 16, 2013 11:53 p.m.

So Sorin Markov, is he banned as a general?

March 16, 2013 11:54 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #31

Well, your playgroup might, but if you use him then you'll probably be targeted as fuck and thought of as a dick haha

March 17, 2013 12:02 a.m.

Royberto says... #32

No, Sorin Markov isn't bad, just frowned upon for his -3. Also, don't play Kaalia of the Vast, people will focus you.

March 17, 2013 11:42 a.m.

Wrynfroe says... #33

What a cool format and an interesting deck. =D

While looking it over a couple of card suggestions came to mind:

Bloodghast would be a great card to sac with your Ghost Council of Orzhova and even without that synergy he makes an annoying and effective attacker who keeps coming back.

Wall of Souls is a nice wall but Souls of the Faultless probably best fills this niche in your deck already; still, thought I should at least mention it...

Simulacrum has a nice synergy with either Souls of the Faultless or Wall of Souls and is just a handy way of deflecting damage. It could also work nicely with your Tainted Sigil.

Also, have you considered Sudden Spoiling ? With Elsh Norn it could be devastating...

Thanks again for introducing me to such a neat format. Hope you found some of these suggestions useful.

March 17, 2013 5:55 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #34

Thanks for all the suggestions! Bloodghast is a great idea, my friend even has a few I could trade for.

You were right about Wall of Souls, Souls of the Faultless (which is my favorite card of all time) fits that role already.

Simulacrum I feel would be too circumstantial, because usually I have plenty of chumps waiting to die anyway that absorbing damage like that is basically just expensive Darkness with sacrifice :/

Sudden Spoiling is a fantastic idea, but a little more money than I'd like. I'm trying to keep all the cards I don't have at about a dollar or less. I'll definitely test it out though!

I'm glad you like the format! If you can get a few people to try it it's extremely fun, and definitely worth trying. Cheers!

March 17, 2013 7:51 p.m.

Shamrock says... #35

+1 For Dr Who, as well as an interesting new format for me to try

March 17, 2013 9:59 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #36

Thanks! Be sure to leave a comment for me if you think of anything interesting to do with the format: people keep surprising me with ideas!

March 17, 2013 10:34 p.m.

gibson0111 says... #37

Will you follow the same planeswalker rules if say someone has a general Garruk Relentless  Flip and say Garruk, Primal Hunter. Will they be put into the grave as a state based action? Or would you modify it so it's just the "Legend rule"?

March 17, 2013 11:16 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #38

They follow the same rules as usual, so those would both be put into the graveyard. However, if two people ran those in a playgroup then it's not unlikely they would agree to bypass this and just let them play simultaneously.

March 18, 2013 7:54 a.m.

qv15langx says... #39

But seriously, why no Vault of the Archangel?

March 18, 2013 6:07 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #40

...oh yea. I kinda forgot that existed xD

Adding it now

March 18, 2013 8:51 p.m.

qv15langx says... #41

haha c'mon jay

March 18, 2013 9:15 p.m.

Dreno33 says... #42

March 18, 2013 9:19 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #43

The first two are a bit out of my price range I'm afraid, but I have a spare Frontline Medic I could test with

March 18, 2013 10:23 p.m.

MagnaLynx21 says... #44

So, how goes running multiple 'walkers in the same deck, in this format? Because I would love to run Elspeth in a deck like this.

March 20, 2013 7:14 a.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #45

Well, as of now we've decided against it because of the Planeswalker Rule and the fact that there are like 5 versions of Jace would totally screw with a deck using him as their general. This ruling is open to change though, so if you have any ideas then lemme know.

March 20, 2013 11:28 a.m.

MagnaLynx21 says... #46

Fair enough, I was thinking along the same lines; since it could be pretty confusing.

My playgroup was musing with the idea of having all of your planeswalkers in the command zone together, but that seems just as bad.

Also, since I'm typing anyway - I assume you'll be able to play black spells in a Garruk Relentless  Flip deck?

March 20, 2013 11:35 a.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #47

Yep. A buddy of mine was planning on doing him but ended up choosing Karn. I think if you go to his deck it's in the description.

March 20, 2013 12:09 p.m.

seeemwhykay says... #48

Seems like you've got a few too many small spells and not enough ramp effects or big spells. Are you ever really stoked to play doomed traveler, beckon apparition, funeral pyre, putrid warrior, or soul link? It's a 40 life format - I don't think cards that are only efficient in the first few turns are really worth it. They're just too small of effects. I run a Tesya deck in EDH (which is really the same as a Sorin deck..) and using it showed me the same thing. You want cards that are still good when you draw them turn 13 with a ton of mana.

March 22, 2013 11:48 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #49

Well this deck can usually pick up pretty well by turn 5 or so, and having small spells, even if they're underwhelming late game, give me a big advantage early on. Sometimes 1 spirit is all it takes to make it game.

March 23, 2013 12:22 p.m.

seeemwhykay says... #50

Sure. If it works for you. It doesn't really seme like enough of a dedicated weenie deck to be winning that fast/I guess your playgroup doesn't pack many boardwipes, but okay. You should at least swap out some of the cards that just have better versions/do very little. It looks like you're budget? So I guess I wouldn't suggest Bitterblossom , Deathbringer Liege , Grave Titan , or Sol Ring , though those would all help the deck.

Definitely though some of the specific cards are a little jank. Luminous Angel seems very weak if you strategy is to overwhelm them early with small guys. By the time she drops (7 turn minimum, since you have no ramp), it seems like that effect wouldn't save you from the horrors that edh decks can play that late. Ogre Slumlord might be worth considering.
Souls of the Faultless and Putrid Warrior are both strange. Why would you want to be blocking? You're an offensive deck. A wall with lifelink won't help much. And Putrid Warrior is just a too weak for a weenie deck. Accorder Paladin would be a billion times better in that slot.
And as far as random cards go, Increasing Devotion , Promise of Power , Sadistic Hypnotist , Hour of Reckoning , Skirsdag High Priest , Prison Term , Banishing Stroke , and Honor of the Pure would all treat the deck well!

March 23, 2013 1:05 p.m.

So how does it work when one guy plays Garruk Relentless  Flip and another plays Garruk Wildspeaker , for instance, as their Generals? Game rulings state they'd both go to the graveyard if they're on the field at the same time...

March 23, 2013 7:15 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #52

aeonstoremyliver, yes they would. Seeing as it's casual, it's not unlikely that they'd just agree to let them live though for the sake of the game.

seeemwhykay, wow, thanks for all the feedback! You're right about it being on a budget, so those aren't really options (although I think I have a Sol Ring left over somewhere). Some of the other cards in this deck that are on the weak side are either because I own them or they're just really cool. Souls of the Faultless is my favorite card of ever so I had to put it in. Putrid Warrior was just cool, but could definitely leave.

And as with the bigger spells, it's because the deck starts to pick up at turn 5 or so. Usually that's when the tokens start hoarding and I can steamroll in about 3 turns. As for your suggestions individually:
Ogre Slumlord would be nice if not for the "nontoken" part
Accorder Paladin I like, especially for that slot
Increasing Devotion I'm not sure of, but might find a slot
Promise of Power seems fun and a good utility
Sadistic Hypnotist 's effect doesn't seem quite potent enough imo, but I could be convinced
Hour of Reckoning is genius how have I never seen this. Definitely in.
Skirsdag High Priest is a possibility, but would make me targeted HARD
Prison Term is good, but idk how well it fits
Banishing Stroke maybe, but tucking is frowned upon in my group. I'll think about this one.
Honor of the Pure is a good anthem, but rules out a lot of my tokens so I'll pass.

Any ideas on what to drop for what I liked? Thanks a bunch for the ideas man!

March 24, 2013 12:45 a.m.

seeemwhykay says... #53

You're welcome! Increasing Devotion is good because of the flashback. It's nice to have something play late game. Sadistic Hypnotist really has to be seen in action. It's insane when you can drop him and make your opponent discard their entire hand, and keep doing that whenever needed. And again, I really think you need more mana/land stuff. Orzhov Signet , Everflowing Chalice , Tithe , Endless Horizons , Gift of Estates . You probably don't need all of those, but a few wouldn't hurt at all. And probably throw in a Diabolic Tutor because you're black, why would you not?

Here are the cards that seemed the weakest - Soul Link Mausoleum Guard Funeral Pyre Spiritual Visit Ghost Council of Orzhova Perish the Thought Tainted Sigil

March 24, 2013 6:18 p.m.

gibson0111 says... #54

If you're doing insane life ramp things why aren't you playing Vizkopa Guildmage ?

March 24, 2013 6:25 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #55

So I'm thinking:
-1 Perish the Thought , -1 Soul Link , -1 Spiritual Visit , -1 Funeral Pyre , -1 Putrid Warrior
+1 Accorder Paladin , +1 Increasing Devotion , +1 Promise of Power , +1 Hour of Reckoning , +1 Gift of Estates

I want to keep in Ghost Council of Orzhova just because I love him, and Tainted Sigil because after the big swing it's absurd.
Thoughts?

gibson0111, she was in here for the combo but moved because my playgroup doesn't like infinites, but without Exquisite Blood she could go back in.

March 24, 2013 6:30 p.m.

AustinQ says... #56

Demons run.

March 27, 2013 7:47 a.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #57

AustinQ ayup!

seeemwhykay what do you think of my proposed changes?

March 27, 2013 1:31 p.m.

seeemwhykay says... #58

That seems pretty good. Ghost Council is still a little bad in the slot, but if you love him, you love him. It should be a lot better though! Also, depending on how your playgroup likes really good cards, Skullclamp . If, yknow, you like winning.

March 27, 2013 2:46 p.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #59

Actually I think someone has a Skullclamp I can trade for... I'll put it in. Yea I know Ghost Council of Orzhova isn't great, but in a relatively casual playgroup I think I can sacrifice a little bit of functionality for a cool card ;D

March 27, 2013 7:17 p.m.

jorjo10 says... #60

Just a quick note. I understand that the reason why there is only 1 planeswalker in the whole EDH is because of that planeswalker rule. I just want to make sure you now about the new legendary rule. If not, the quick definition is, that both players may control a legendary permanent of the same name at the same time, and it is the same for walkers - both players may control a walker with type Liliana, for example. And if you control a legendary creature named AB and you play another AB, you choose which AB will stay on the battlefield and which will go to the graveyard - they will not die both at the same time any more. The same is for walkers.

If you already knew that, than I'm sorry for comment :)

July 8, 2013 4:09 a.m.

Magiclover318 says... #61

Plus one for the Doctor Who reference :D I almost had a nerdgasm just seeing the name(; then I saw the deck and hell yeah

August 26, 2013 3:23 p.m.

Dalektable says... #62

Doctor who fan i suppose?

November 27, 2013 11:42 a.m.

Jp3ngu1nb0y says... #63

At the time of this deck's creation. I'm kinda over it now.

awaits barrage of hate

November 27, 2013 11:45 a.m.

DukeNicky says... #64

+1 from a fellow gaymer for the twist on EDH and from me personally for the Doctor Who reference (knowingly or not) haha :D

December 5, 2013 11:47 p.m.

thatguy42 says... #65

friendship dies and true love lies when a good man goes to war...

January 23, 2014 11:18 p.m.

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This deck is Commander / EDH legal.

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