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Creature — Nightmare Horror
When Mesmeric Fiend enters the battlefield, target opponent reveals his or her hand and you choose a nonland card from it. Exile that card.
When Mesmeric Fiend leaves the battlefield, return the exiled card to its owner's hand.
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Mesmeric Fiend Discussion
2 weeks ago
1 month ago
I strongly agree with PartyJ on the land count and even go further, because WB can be slow on ramp, you need mana rocks:
On the ramp side, there are a few things that can get you lands, but some can be expensive:
Besides all the above in my opinion this deck needs a direction on what you want to do with it, namely answering the questions What does this deck do? and How does it wins by doing that?
I also sort of agree with shaftdiggity's suggestion. Since your commander has a low CMC, and also is not very easy to deal with, you can rely on him staying on the battlefield and using his ability to get your creatures back from your graveyard. So, one way to go is by searching for creatures with relatively low CMC and/or good Enter the Battlefield effects, combined with Sacrifice Outlets.
These are some ETB examples:
- Oreskos Explorer
- Enlightened Ascetic
- Blade Splicer
- Sin Collector
- Bone Shredder
- Fleshbag Marauder
- Merciless Executioner
- Slum Reaper
- Agent of Erebos
- Puppeteer Clique
- Patron of the Vein
- Angel of Serenity
- Angel of Despair
- Ashen Rider
These need to be used with an available Sac Outlet:
The way to play these cards goes like this: As they enter the battlefield, their first ability triggers and you get to exile somethin. Then, in response (or when the ability is on the stack but hasn't resolved yet you sacrifice the creature. Hence, the second ability will go to the stack, but since the first one hasn't resolved yet, there is nothing to return from exile. The first ability will then resolve, exiling something permanently.
Some good Sac Outlets exmples:
- Altar of Dementia
- Ashnod's Altar
- Phyrexian Altar
- Martyr's Cause
- Viscera Seer
- Razaketh, the Foulblooded
- Carrion Feeder
- Sadistic Hypnotist
Forcing your opponents to sacrifice with you is very good:
3 months ago
Grim Haruspex is another nice draw option if you are killing a lot of non token creatures
3 months ago
Also Also, while it's strategically useful, you could also remove a bunch of the cards that do discard effects, like Black Cat, Thoughtpicker Witch, and Mesmeric Fiend. While this doesn't speed up the deck, it removes some of the biggest hate-generators. People can get mad at you for screwing them over, but can they really get made at you for not dying?
5 months ago
it's great i love it
I would just tune it up by fixing the curve so you have relevant things to do turn 1 and/or 2 like Inquisition of Kozilek/Thoughtseize, or maybe Mana Leak/Miscalculation. It would be really great to find some more 1-2cmc creatures that are worth it. I think Spined Thopter is probably just too weak. I am a huge fan of Brain Maggot/Mesmeric Fiend
you're using proxies for this right? You definitely want all 9 fetchlands (all but Windswept Heath)
I would replace soul manipulation, recover, forbidden alchemy, smash, maybe other stuff for 1 or 2cmc cards. Like forbidden probably should just be Preordain. Also treasure cruise is banned now :C
I'm surprised you don't have more sacrifice outlets like Goblin Bombardment but there's a lot going on here already!
6 months ago
@ amh62993 - This deck is horrific!
...bad puns aside, allow me to suggest a few things for your consideration.
Consuming Aberration is a card I think has a place in any Dimir build. Many think it is only relevant in mill decks, but really this beast just minds its own business. Sure, you won't win the game with this as your only mill engine. But you will definitely put your opponents at a disadvantage while you get a huge beater.
The following creatures are part of the Consuming Aberration Fan Club: Sewer Nemesis is the president; Nemesis of Reason is the treasurer; Nighthowler hypes up the group; Guiltfeeder is the jerk that makes fun of people outside the club; Geralf's Mindcrusher is the guy that only comes like twice, never to be seen again.
Phyrexian Revoker is wonderful commander hate (or any creature with an activated ability too good to let happen)
Mindleech Mass is expensive to put down, but that ability...
Void Maw can be a finisher late-game.
Greater Harvester (which honestly feels more like a Demon than a Horror)
And, of course, Phyrexian Librarian
Good luck, and happy deck-teching!
7 months ago
@UnleashedHavok Thanks for the feedback.
I was initially running Ashnod's Altar (and Nim Deathmantle), but I found that having a 2 mana sacrifice outlet just felt a lot better, hence Altar of Dementia. That way, you can play it on turn 2 before Alesha comes down, or on turn 4 and still have mana to activate Alesha. It's also important to note that you can (and should) target yourself with Altar of Dementia to give yourself more options in your graveyard. The fact that you can infinitely mill your opponents later on is just gravy.
My rationale for having Mindclaw Shaman over Mesmeric Fiend (or the mostly better Tidehollow Sculler) is that, while they both strip a card from your opponent's hand, Mindclaw Shaman lets you cast that powerful card for yourself. This seems much better to me in a multiplayer environment, where you need to get maximum value out of each card in your deck. It's especially useful when your meta is filled with cards like Demonic Tutor, Time Stretch, and Expropriate like mine is.
I am indeed aware of using the stack tricks for Fiend Hunter, etc. They wouldn't make the deck otherwise, because I don't want cards that are only temporary solutions since removal is so common in commander.
Serra Ascendant is something I'm considering, since I own a couple copies. Just isn't in the deck for now since my meta is so combo-oriented and the lifegain tends not to matter.
7 months ago
I would suggest Ashnod's Altar or Phyrexian Altar over Altar of Dementia, unless you find yourself with the ability to sac enough creatures in a turn to mill for the win. Alesha is a surprisingly mana hungry lady, my main deck is Alesha, Who is Unfinished and I have found that she needs quite a bit of juice at times.
I would suggest that you decide which route you want to take Alesha in, especially since you say your playgroup is competitive. Your list is pretty tight, I would just make a change or two. I would probably take out Mindclaw Shaman for Mesmeric Fiend. I think that if you are wanting to shut down your friends' decks, this is an option that fits with the overall feel of your deck a little better. I would also suggest putting in a Nantuko Husk so that you can have one more sacrifice outlet available to you since you have so many solid ETB effects. I like that you already have Fiend Hunter and Leonin Relic-Warder in here. I'm sure you are aware that you can permanently exile with both creatures just to bring them back to do it again, right? This would also work with Mesmeric Fiend if you choose to add it. I play my deck in a very control minded fashion, so I would also suggest cramming an Oblivion Ring and Banishing Light in here. I'm actually looking at cutting Disciple of Bolas..... I know I know, it feels like blasphemy but I find that I am wishing for a different answer when I draw him. He looks great on paper, and really is a good card in a sacrifice themed deck, but I feel he would be better in a Meren deck where you will be getting bigger creatures to sack throughout the game.
Anyway, I hope that my suggestions are helpful. Let me know if you want to chat more about one of my favorite commanders!