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|Commander 2015 (C15)||Uncommon|
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Return target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Mystic Retrieval Discussion
1 week ago
What are composite prinnies?
My folders aren't very organised. [Not My Commander] is my only folder where I include other people's decks, and literally only just started doing that a few days ago. Yours is the second one I've added, so I don't really have any context for it yet. Rest assured I like the idea of your deck a lot.
Yeah, no love lost for the Worldgorger Dragon here either. It needs more than decent support in the form of reanimation and countermagic, and if your deck isn't all about that then it's not necessarily a great fit. I just mentioned it because it's an interesting card that cares about exiled stuff. I won't be offended in the least if you don't adopt a suggestion of mine, in case you're concerned about that. It's your deck, dude. I'm just here to help.
Lion's Eye Diamond is crazy expensive, money-wise. For that reason, I personally don't think it's ever worth running unless you're building at least a somewhat competitive deck, unless you just happen to have one handy. On the other hand, if you do only play casually with friends then they probably won't mind if you run a tournament-illegal version of Yawgmoth's Will – there are gold-bordered signed collector's versions available for significantly less than the regular cost (with Yawgmoth's Will on magiccardmarket ATM, it's €7.00 as opposed to the official card that's €23.95). They don't have a standard MtG back on them though, so you'll need to be using sleeves to use them.
So, Doomsday . If you don't like it, then don't run it. But as I understand it, a lot of those packages run 3-4 draw spells, Laboratory Maniac , and maybe some countermagic support. Considering this is what's in your deck ATM, I'll run with that. It's another all-in strategy and once again; if your Lab Maniac gets countered or killed before you draw the card, it pretty much means that you lose. I know a lot of people run Gitaxian Probe and other super-cheap draw spells in this package, the idea being to cast them all in the one turn and then win. If you want to stick with the Flashback theme, there's Faithless Looting and Scour All Possibilities and Echo of Eons which you already run, and then there's Deep Analysis and Think Twice . None of these is particularly expensive money-wise. Also, I know this is exactly the opposite of what you're looking for, but if Doomsday is to be a legit wincon for this deck then you might want to reconsider cutting Mirror of Fate . It's rarely an amazing card, but in this deck if things are going well, basically stands to serve as a second Doomsday, which is exactly what every Doomsday deck wants.
As for the landbase, how exactly did you want to revise it? There are a lot of interesting things to be done with lands, but I've usually just forgone those when it comes to 4+ colour mana bases (particularly if budget means running slow fetch lands like Bad River as opposed to Polluted Delta ). Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is good in any deck that uses black. I know you're not running any other Slivers, but Path of Ancestry is still a decent land in 5-colour decks that aren't high-end competitive - just read it as a Command Tower that enters tapped, which is still pretty great in non-competitive EDH. If you are okay with a couple of a taplands, Grand Coliseum is also great. On the other end, Tarnished Citadel is good for mana right now if you need it.
Now, for some suggestions on Flashback and other cards to cut.
I think you have just a couple too many recursion effects for instant and sorcery spells. Cards like Pull from the Deep are pretty decent because they get you two-for-one, as in you spend one card to gain access to two.
Conversely, something like Recoup probably isn't so good - it only gives you access to one card when you cast it, and you need to have the mana available to cast it that same turn. It's not an awful card, it has Flashback which both gives it more utility than for which I'm giving it credit and also fits this deck's theme. But you have an above-average amount of recursion spells and if you are actively looking for something to cut, this'd be something I'd recommend.
I think Sins of the Past is a decent card, but not great unless you have a number of really great bombs in your deck. If you don't have a fair number of high-cost, high-impact spells to target with it, it becomes an expensive 1-for-1. Similarly, Mystic Retrieval can be good when things are going your way and it sort of fits the theme, but in the early- to mid-game it can really suck to be left with only this card in your hand. When making cuts, you'll generally want to cut the cards that, at some points of the game, do straight-up nothing. Unfortunately, Mystic Retrieval kinda fits the bill here.
All Suns' Dawn is a great recursion spell, but less good when you lean away from a few colours. Considering you already have a number of other great spells in your deck, I don't know about this one in this scenario. I think basically, you'll want a few low-end and a few high-end recursion spells.
Some cards I would cut when push comes to shove —
1 month ago
"One-card wincons" to consider: Insurrection , Expropriate , Painful Quandary , Rise of the Dark Realms , Revel in Riches , Cut / Ribbons . Perhaps Clone Legion , Rite of Replication , Mogis, God of Slaughter , Hour of Promise , Blatant Thievery , Grave Betrayal , or Mind's Dilation .
One thing to think about is getting Nicol Bolas flipped and maybe joined by the other planeswalkers and casting Obliterate , Jokulhaups , Devastation , or Decree of Annihilation . Almost guaranteed ultimates. Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God would be the best--proxy for now and include in first build?
Boardwipes: Toxic Deluge , Black Sun's Zenith , Hour of Devastation , Decree of Pain , Curse of the Swine , In Garruk's Wake , Deadly Tempest , Evacuation , Nevinyrral's Disk , Last One Standing , Perilous Vault , Oblivion Stone , Kindred Dominance , Necromantic Selection , Subterranean Tremors
Removal: Capsize , Bedevil , Hero's Downfall , Chaos Warp , Kolaghan's Command , Reality Shift , Pongify , Rapid Hybridization , Vraska's Contempt , Rakdos Charm , Price of Fame , In Bolas's Clutches , Plaguecrafter , Merciless Executioner , Fleshbag Marauder , Unstable Obelisk , Vandalblast , By Force , Shatterstorm , Hostage Taker , Yawgmoth's Vile Offering , Settle the Score , Dark Impostor , Hour of Glory , Sever the Bloodline , Silence the Believers , Spread the Sickness , Slave of Bolas , Electrodominance
Draw: (I would add Erebos once you're home) Patient Rebuilding , Phyrexian Arena , Greed , Arguel's Blood Fast Flip, Notion Thief , Windfall , Mystical Tutor , Blue Sun's Zenith , Pull from Tomorrow , Stroke of Genius , Braingeyser , Mind Spring , Expansion / Explosion , Invoke the Firemind , Deliver Unto Evil , Augur of Bolas , Painful Truths , Fevered Visions , Search for Azcanta Flip, Fact or Fiction , Dig Through Time , Treasure Cruise , Tidings , Thassa, God of the Sea , Day's Undoing , Reforge the Soul , Standstill , Deep Analysis , Necrologia , Steady Progress , Tezzeret's Gambit , Oath of Jace
Random utility: Ophiomancer , Metallurgic Summonings , As Fortold, Pendrell Mists , No Mercy , Stranglehold , Fated Return , Dark Intimations , Spellseeker , Sire Of Insanity , Thief of Sanity , Spark Double , Primal Amulet Flip, Dragon's Hoard , Mystic Retrieval , Shreds of Sanity , Spelltwine , Ashiok, Dream Render , Torpor Orb , Baleful Strix , Darksteel Myr , Solemn Simulacrum , Wayfarer's Bauble , Vedalken Orrery , Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , Will Kenrith , Mana Geyser , Gem of Becoming , Thran Dynamo , Narset, Parter of Veils , Keranos, God of Storms , Thrilling Encore , Star Compass , Coldsteel Heart , Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs , Ensnaring Bridge , Crawlspace , Expedition Map , Burnished Hart , Torment of Scarabs , Cruel Reality , Mnemonic Betrayal , Yawgmoth's Will , Bloodchief Ascension , Nightscape Familiar , Gonti, Lord of Luxury , Thaumatic Compass Flip, Dreadhorde Invasion , Fraying Omnipotence , Thrummingbird , Viral Drake , Past in Flames , Mizzix's Mastery , Omniscience , Tainted AEther , Aid the Fallen , Deepglow Skate , Flux Channeler , Rings of Brighthearth , Silent Arbiter , Meekstone , Mudslide , Astral Cornucopia , Everflowing Chalice , Lethal Vapors , Sunbird's Invocation , Stolen Strategy , Maze of Ith , Spreading Plague , Merchant Scroll , Polluted Bonds , Black Market , Grave Upheaval , Memory Plunder , Pain Magnification
Beaters: Dragonlord Silumgar , The Scorpion God , The Locust God , The Scarab God , God-Eternal Kefnet , God-Eternal Bontu , Darksteel Colossus , Colossus of Akros , Visara the Dreadful , Tsabo Tavoc , Avatar of Woe , Balefire Dragon , Nicol Bolas , Hellkite Tyrant , Bladewing the Risen , Grave Titan , Inferno Titan , Steel Hellkite , Vampire Nighthawk , Torrential Gearhulk , Noxious Gearhulk , Combustible Gearhulk , Dominus of Fealty , Roil Elemental , Tidespout Tyrant , Kokusho, the Evening Star , Keiga, the Tide Star , Ryusei, the Falling Star , Wrexial, the Risen Deep , Etali, Primal Storm , Nezahal, Primal Tide , Tetzimoc, Primal Death , Dread , The Haunt of Hightower , Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind , Razaketh, the Foulblooded , Enigma Drake , Crackling Drake , Archfiend of Depravity , Sheoldred, Whispering One , Thing in the Ice Flip, Niv-Mizzet, Parun , Sepulchral Primordial , Molten Primordial , Diluvian Primordial , Ob Nixilis, Unshackled , Sire of Stagnation , Utvara Hellkite
1 month ago
(saw your post on tumblr and had to come and suggest stuff, but feel free to ignore, I'm just trying to throw some ideas out to help out!)
I think counterspells aren't very good as signature spells (but I don't have much experience with Oathbreaker). If you're going for flavor I think Expansion / Explosion , Izzet Charm or Turn//Burn could work. (It could also be fun to build a Harnessed Lightning energy-themed deck for Ral, Storm Conduit :x)
I think that instead of running a lot of creatures with tap (or untap) abilities it would be easier to focus on artifacts for the ramp/card draw/etc with cards like Clock of Omens , Key to the City , Staff of Nin (), Unwinding Clock , Chaos Wand , Oracle's Vault () and a bunch of mana rocks ( Mind Stone , Pyramid of the Pantheon (), Coalition Relic (), Talisman of Creativity , Star Compass , Hedron Archive , Basalt Monolith and Khalni Gem ). Animation Module can add counters to planeswalkers, so that could be fun too.
Reality Shift is probably the best creature single target removal in blue.
I'd cut down on the number of X damage spells you're running and rely more on having some graveyard recursion/tutoring to make it more consistent. Mystic Retrieval would be my choice to run along with Archeomancer. Mizzix's Mastery is also pretty good, but probably better if you're focusing on spellslinging.
Vandalblast and Shenanigans (or maybe Release the Gremlins for the cuteness) are good artifact removal. Geistblast is a interesting Flashback spell that actually should be like Amonkhet's Aftermath. Insidious Will 's versatility shouldn't be underestimated.
(aaand I already suggested too much. Like I said, feel free to ignore. Can't wait to see the finished deck. I hope something from this mess helps!)
1 month ago
Demonic Tutor Diabolic Tutor Muddle the Mixture Dimir House Guard Shred Memory Faithless Looting Final Parting Sulfuric Vortex Prince of Thralls Counterspell Countersquall Mana Leak Essence Scatter Mystic Retrieval Doom Blade Terminate Dreadbore Hero's Downfall Go for the Throat Chromatic Lantern Vapor Snag
1 month ago
Pretty solid list, I'm always a fan of Curiosity combos too (as I'm sure you know). I'd probably play like Sudden Spoiling over Polymorphist's Jest and like Mystic Retrieval over Bond of Insight though.
1 month ago
All of these cards work well when you are running basically just mountains, running blue splits their power, and using non basics reduces their effectiveness even further. Downhill Charge , Granite Grip , and Seismic Strike .
These cards are ok, but don’t really work with your primary concept. Titan's Strength I like this for the scry, and if it drew a card it’d be fine, but as a combat trick it’s pretty meh. Kavu Scout is at most a 2/2 for two in this deck. Kraken's Eye is pretty passive life gain, but it’s not going to win the game for you, and it is pretty unlikely to save you too (it does improve with some of the buy back spells I list later). The problem with Akroan Crusader is that if we cut the combat tricks this card becomes way weaker, and even with the tricks, it’s not got a high likelihood of having both at the same time. Why would we run that when we can run cards like Crackling Drake ?
Strider Harness is good, but it is over costed for what it does.
Whisk Away I’m not loving this card, it is alright. It’s just low bang for the buck.
As for some cards that might help things, the issue I see is that your plan has a lot of draw, and some control, but not a lot of ways to win. As it is your commander is basically the only way you have of making use of the draw, out side of trying to win with Jace. Winning with Jace is gonna be tough cause you have to draw him, and then mill through your deck, it is possible just hard. So most of the suggestions are cards that work well with casting a lot of draw spells, or removal. This makes your plan of drawing a lot of cards do something other than drawing a lot of cards. Just like your commander they are all going to do something when you draw, or cast a spell. Talrand, Sky Summoner , Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , Murmuring Mystic , Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind , Guttersnipe , and Psychosis Crawler are all great for your deck.
Swarm Intelligence is great for casting a lot of spells.
A thing that might happen is running out of gas. So cards that give repeated use like flashback and buy back are huge. They mean you’ll always have something to do, and offer more value because of your cards that trigger on spell cast, or card draw. Some good examples include Mystic Retrieval , Fanning the Flames , Whispers of the Muse , Shattering Pulse , and though it is a little bit more expensive Capsize which is incredibly powerful and super annoying for other people to deal with if they can’t outright counter it.
AEtherize is just a super good card for the deck.
Your deck should basically just draw a whole lot of cards, and having the mana to play them is super important. I’d likely look at increasing the number of mana rocks (artifacts that make mana) in there, and making sure that you’re never hurting for your second color. Some solid suggestions for that are Izzet Signet , Izzet Cluestone , Commander's Sphere , Izzet Boilerworks , Terramorphic Expanse , Desolate Lighthouse , and Memorial to Genius is just great for your draw plan.
3 months ago
I'd maybe cut Call to Mind for Mystic Retrieval , Invoke the Firemind for Expansion / Explosion , and Doublecast for Increasing Vengeance . You might also want to try to fit Boseiju, Who Shelters All into the manabase, just so that your big X spells resolve a little more often.
5 months ago
Let me start by saying I've been playing Mizzix since he was released, and I've constantly strived to make my [[Primer]] Knowledge & Flame deck the best it can be. I'd like to believe with a 96% competitive rating, and the fact that I RARELY lose with the deck means it's a solid deck. As such it has seen several iterations and I've tried playing all kinds of cards... So here's a bit of advice.
I only have 17 cards that aren't spells that Mizzix can discount, 6 of which is Ramp. I only have two creatures, Niv-Mizzet, Parun (I'm testing him for extra draw power and secondary win con) and Laboratory Maniac as one of my main win cons. Of the 9 cards remaining 2 cards help me with consistent draw power, 2 are to protect Mizzix, 2 win me the game, and the rest are just there. Now I'm telling you all this because even with me having so little cards that aren't reduced by Mizzix I STILL end up with them sitting in my hand for ages for fear of tapping out and not having a counterspell up. So there are a lot of cards you have in this deck that do not directly add to your winning... And some cards that just don't play well with a deck that wants to either combo out or burn everyone into the ground.
Here are some suggested cuts:
- Invert // Invent: Invert does nothing really, and Invent is WAY too expensive for what it does.
- Seething Song: Just trade it out for Desperate Ritual so that you can tutor Reiterate and Desperate Ritual with Firemind's
- Keranos, God Of Storms: Great card, but honestly it's just a win more card, this won't win you the game.
- Melek, Izzet Paragon: I played with this for awhile but at the end of the day it's the same as Keranos
- Blatant Thievery: It's a great card, but it always felt lackluster for me because it requires your opponents to have a good board state, which obviously you don't want. I'd suggest Aethersnatch in it's place because then your opponent just plays a spell for you.
- Ignite Memories/Mind's Desire: Storm cards are good but they don't get you the game. In fact I have whiffed both of those spells more times than I can count! I'd say go for something a bit more certain.
- Mizzium Mortars: I just think that this doesn't kill a LOT of creatures in this format Blasphemous Act is strictly better.
- Stolen Goods: It's too easy for this to be a bad card. what if it's a Rampant Growth or vanilla 2/2 or a lord that doesn't do squat for you. Just too RNG
- Temporal Fissure: Too expensive and again it's too easy to whiff the storm aspect
- Sentinel Tower: It just makes you a target, unless you are committing to storm.
- Future Sight: As a blue player you always want people to assume you have a counterspell, or don't want others to know you have a counterspell... This crushes that. If you REALLY need this effect, which I think isn't worthwhile, Precognition Field is better.
- Sunbird's Invocation: WAY TOO EXPENSIVE, and it's strictly just a win more card.
I know I stated a lot of cards are too expensive and you are playing mizzix but assume mizzix isn't on the table because he will be killed or a target 90% of the time.
Here are some cards I'd highly suggest playing:
- The Usuals: I know it's expensive but... Mana Drain , Force of Will , and Pact of Negation I feel are absolutely necessary for this deck.
- Lightning Bolt : I know someone told you to take this out... but... Firemind's plus 4 experience counters means you win the game. You dig for infinite mana with Reiterat+Reality Spasm/Desperate Ritual and grab lightning bolt to copy infinite times with infinite mana casting reiterate on it infinitely. It's a one card combo basically.
- Mission Briefing
- Power Sink : At worst its a counterspell at best it forces someone to pass turn.
- Disallow : One of the best counters in the game.
- Fuel for the Cause
- Increasing Vengeance
- Nexus of Fate
- Scour from Existence
- Coldsteel Heart
- Pyromancer's Goggles
- Darksteel Plate
- Fanning the Flames
- Mana Geyser
- Time Stretch
- Mystic Retrieval
- Mystic Speculation
Sorry I know I posted a lot but I'm really passionate about this deck, and I love to see mizzix players succeed.
Mystic Retrieval occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
UR (Izzet): 0.83%