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5 months ago
The problem with Neoform here is the general lack of good 2cmc creatures to sacrifice. I would recommend against running either Lotus Cobra Tangled Florahedron Flip, as while they accelerate mana, they don't accelerate your landbase, which is what you actually care about. While paying 4 mana to Summoner's Pact may seem daunting, it's actually not really an issue - as with sufficient ramp you'll easily be able to pay for it and the Swarm. Its a staple of Prime Titan decks for a good reason.
Never go over 60 cards. The current cards I think are questionable/droppable are:
Vastwood Surge, Eureka Moment, Migratory Greathorn and Quandrix Cultivator: 3-or-4 mana is a lot for this kind of effect, and generally quite slow. By the time you have the mana to cast these, you should be already at a point of not needing them. Aim for the cheaper ramp I'd suggested. In addition to what I'd suggest above, Sakura-Tribe Elder is stronger than all these cards, and a good potential replacement.
Prosperous Innkeeper, Lotus Cobra, Tangled Florahedron Flip: Your goal should be putting a lot of lands into play quickly, not just making a lot of mana. Mana on its own doesn't actually help you get anywhere, as your Swarm needs land drops, and a lot of existing lands in play.
Mana Leak feels like a sideboard card at-best. I'm not sure it works particularly well here, especially as by the time your engine is running, your opponent might also have enough lands to pay the cost.
If I were building this list with budget in-mind, it'd probably look something like:
5 months ago
My thoughts on creature fetching:
- Neoform looks great, and I guess that Lotus Cobra and Tangled Florahedron Flip are easy targets for sacrificing.
- Summoner's Pact looks even better, but I feel like ''losing'' 4 mana to pay for it's cost would be more taxing than sacraficing Lotus Cobra or Tangled Florahedron Flip. Perhaps it would be more useful in later rounds with more mana on the table? What do you think?
About the land drops:
- Pretty simple here, Growth Spiral, Explore and Arboreal Grazer all seem like a nobrainer I think, great idea, thank you.
I just have to wonder, if I want to include all those cards, and more lands, should I remove some cards from the deck, or just go over 60 cards? I mean, Mana Leak feels out of place a bit, but everything else seems useful. I have never drawn a card and thought ''damn, that´s useless'' (except for when I need Scute Swarm :D) I guess going over 60 isnt exactly a sin, but I always like to hang around that, so that I dont have to wait for too long for important cards. But I suppose that all that extra drawing and searching would fetch me Scute Swarm anyway? I'm not sure at all here, what do you think?
Anyway, thanks for help!
7 months ago
Hey there! Thanks for reaching out.
My main suggestions for making any deck smooth are to run at least 10 sources of cheap ramp (stuff like Rampant Growth, Birds of Paradise, Farseek, etc.), at least 10 sources of strong draw (stuff like Pull from Tomorrow, Harmonize, Return of the Wildspeaker, etc.), around 10 sources of interaction for your opponents' scary stuff (Beast Within, Path to Exile, Austere Command, etc.) and around 37 lands (try and keep the amount of lands that enter tapped 100% of the time to a minimum, like 5. Stuff like Game Trail, Prairie Stream, Haunted Ridge, etc. plus the Zendikar Rising MDFCs like Tangled Florahedron Flip, Valakut Awakening Flip, and Sejiri Shelter Flip). Of course, trying to make your removal and card draw have as much synergy as possible is ideal, but that can be hard. Don't worry if you need to throw in a few cards that are just good on their own. And the rest of the cards can just be scary Eldrazi and fun ways to break them!
Let me know if I can help with anything else!
7 months ago
I'd he happy to help! I'd recommend starting with around 10 cards that ramp your mana (Llanowar Elves, Rampant Growth, Arcane Signet, and more), 10 that draw you more cards (Armorcraft Judge, Bred for the Hunt, Benthic Biomancer, Fathom Mage, Inspiring Call, Towashi Guide-Bot, and stuff like that). After that, around 10 more cards should be dedicated to dealing with scary things your opponents play (like Beast Within, Ravenform, Resculpt, You Find a Cursed Idol, Oversimplify, plus others like those), 37ish lands (this one is a little more flexible, just see how many makes it so you're getting enough each game. You can also use the MDFC land/spells from Zendikar Rising, such as Glasspool Mimic Flip, Tangled Florahedron Flip, and Vastwood Fortification Flip.
Once you have all that, the rest can really just be whatever you want. A bunch of cool creatures with strong activated abilities for your commander (I can give some suggestions if you want, but it sounds like you already have some ideas), some ways to untap those creatures with cards like Kiora's Follower, Kelpie Guide, and Clever Conjurer, and some ways to get counters on your creatures like Bow of Nylea, Burst of Strength, Ecologist's Terrarium, Jiang Yanggu, Wildcrafter, Hadana's Climb Flip, and Ivy Lane Denizen.
Have fun, and let me know if there's anything else at all I can help with!
8 months ago
Came across Agadeem's Awakening Flip which would almost work as a clunky recursion combo assembler if flooded, so I definitely think that is worth considering. Field of Ruin like I mentioned earlier, is solid land hate that replaces itself with a colored manasource. Kazandu Mammoth Flip / Blackbloom Rogue Flip / Tangled Florahedron Flip would be a 'land' that could be found with Collected Company, just be careful of how many tapped lands are included if you decide to include any of those.
Mistveil Plains could help with the mill matchup, and it works to give you a Chord of Calling target if needed, plus it is findable with fetches. Oran-Rief, the Vastwood lets you get a lot out of Kitchen Finks, so it may be worth an inclusion. It would also help if you transition to an aggro strategy during the match.
I've personally always liked Reflecting Pool as a singleton psuedo-mana fixer and one or two of the filter lands (Wooded Bastion / Fetid Heath / Twilight Mire) in 3+ colored decks to alleviate the burden of all the life loss cards (shocks + fetches).
Castle Garenbrig would work as some slow ramp, probably not worth it, but figured I would mention it. Turntimber Grove / Llanowar Reborn would help to get more out of Devoted Druid and the like, although it probably isn't worth coming in tapped (the Grove would sort of be a combat trick when found with Elvish Reclaimer as well). Turntimber Symbiosis Flip / Emeria's Call Flip would be some other clunky options, that I just don't think are worth it.
10 months ago
I always try and recommend the stats 10 ramp (things like Llanowar Elves, Selesnya Signet, and Rampant Growth are best), 10 draw, and 10 removal (things like Swords to Plowshares, Beast Within, and Blasphemous Act are best)--as well as 36-ish lands (the Zendikar Rising MDFCs should help with getting more lands in; you don't really lose a slot by adding Tangled Florahedron Flip as you might with a Forest).
Getting close to those metrics, with the remaining 34 cards being dedicated to your strategy--hopefully there's some overlap of synergy with the rest of categories, but y'know--should help get you on your way painlessly. Welcome to EDH!
11 months ago
Hey, what you have so far is a strong start at upgrading the precon for your first deck, nice Hammer of Nazahn upgrade.
Currently you need to cut 24 cards to get to 100 cards. Some advice is start with cutting some lands because 43 lands is too much. Reduce it to 36 and if you think you need more mana then add more low converted mana cost (CMC) ramp sources or draw sources instead of lands.
Some lands to consider cutting:
All these lands always enter the battlefield (ETB) tapped and you have other lands that always do this too, but those other lands are better than these.
The next cuts to consider are some high CMC cards to reduce the mana curve.
Further cuts are some cards that are not as good as others here or have similar or the same effects.
- Battle for Bretagard
- Fall of the Impostor
- Heirloom Blade
- Reflections of Littjara
- Skyclave Cleric Flip
- Captain's Claws
- Conclave Tribunal
- Moonsilver Spear
- Shielding Plax
- Tangled Florahedron Flip
- Suppression Field
Heirloom Blade and Reflections of Littjara are tribal cards that care about only one type of creature. That's not the strategy here since you have many different creature types. Skyclave Cleric Flip and Tangled Florahedron Flip are double face cards (DFC) that can be lands or played as the front face of the card and that can be helpful. The problem is the front face of the card is not worth playing even though they might be lands. Bala Ged Recovery Flip is an example of a good DFC upgrade since front face is a good card and the bonus is that could be a land.
Suppression Field is a powerful card, but it affects equipment equip costs since that's an activated ability. Even if you control Puresteel Paladin with metalcraft activated you still have to pay 2 mana to equip the equipment to a creature you control. Puresteel will reduce the equip cost to 0, but then Field makes you pay an additional 2 mana to activate the equip ability. If an equipment is in your hand and you cast it or already on the battlefield you can't free equip if you control Field.
You have ways to get around having to pay for equip with attach. Difference is you're not equipping when you attach an equipment to a creature you control. The key word here is attach which bypasses the need to activate equip. You can free attach an equipment with Galea, Kindler of Hope, Halvar, God of Battle Flip or Hammer of Nazahn. With Galea only if you cast an equipment from the top of your library, with Halvar only if the equipment is already equipped to another creature you control and with Hammer only if you cast the equipment or the equipment ETB. Free attach has synergy with Suppression Field, but the interaction is limited.
Good luck with your deck.
11 months ago
Made a few changes--Mark of Sakiko somehow made its way onto my radar, and I'm super excited to test it out! The Caryatid was cut to make room, but it may well return in the future.
I also added Utopia Sprawl for Tangled Florahedron Flip (one of my favorite cards, RIP my flowery angel), and you know what that means: more forests! Abundant Harvest (another of my favorites, this was not a good day for pet cards) and Exotic Orchard bit the dust for two spicy Theros basics.