Creature — Ooze
Predator Ooze is indestructible.
Whenever Predator Ooze attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Whenever a creature dealt damage by Predator Ooze this turn dies (is put into the graveyard from the battlefield), put a +1/+1 counter on Predator Ooze.
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|Commander 2020 (C20)||Rare|
|Dark Ascension (DKA)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Predator Ooze Discussion
3 weeks ago
Hey, Vorinclex and Jin-Gitaxias are good cards, but they're definitely not fun or fair cards. These cards may be fun for you, but they're not fun for your opponents. Nice upgrades of Sea-Dasher, Spark, Gemrazer, Brokkos, Expertise, Wake, Tutor, River, Catacomb and Fellwar. You've done well with cutting out most of the cards in the precon that go with Zaxara and not Otrimi. Areas to improve are the manabase, the creatures who you want to first mutate too, tutors, repeatable draw and repeatable recursion.
Cards to consider adding:
- Swiftfoot Boots: hexproof for any creature you control.
- Troll Ascetic: hexproof and regenerate.
- Silhana Ledgewalker: hexproof and potential unblockable.
- Will-o'-the-Wisp: one drop, flying and regenerate.
- Jarad's Orders: creature tutor and put a mutate creature into your graveyard to recur with Otrimi.
- Final Parting: tutor for any card and put a mutate creature into your graveyard to recur with Otrimi.
- Phyrexian Reclamation: more repeatable creature recursion.
- Season of Growth: repeatable draw, draw a card each time you mutate a creature since mutate is cast that targets a creature.
- Primal Empathy: repeatable draw or make mutated creature bigger.
- Yavimaya Coast
- Ash Barrens
- Tainted Wood
The Otrimi precon is very flawed especially the manabase. The problem with the precon manabase which you haven't changed much is it's not consistent enough to make turn four to cast Otrimi. To do this you want an equal amount of each color and the precon manabase has an overwhelming amount of green compared to blue and black. The large amount of green is for one card Predator Ooze which is a good card with Otrimi, but not good enough to build the manabase around. You've cut Ooze which was a good move, but keeping with the overall precon manabase isn't helping your deck. A change to the manabase to consider is cutting Forests and adding more Islands and other dual lands.
Hexproof is very good with mutate because if the creature you're mutating too has hexproof it can't be killed by targeted removal in response to mutating or after it mutates. When you're doing a lot of mutating with one creature without hexproof it's risky because one removal spell by an opponent will kill or exile all the creatures in the mutate pile. Swiftfoot Boots equipped makes any creature you control have hexproof and Boots doesn't unequip if the creature mutates. The top creature of the mutate pile will have hexproof protecting the entire pile from targeted removal.
Regeneration is another excellent ability with mutate and it's not as annoying for your opponents since they can target a creature with regenerate. If any creature in the mutate pile has regeneration then the entire pile does just like hexproof. Regeneration protects the mutated creature from all removal except exile and bounce. It's especially helpful against board wipes that let the creature regenerate and combat where regeneration saves the mutate creature from lethal combat damage.
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Oh, one last thing. You can choose to have Nethroi, Apex of Death mutate off an indestructible creature too which is how you'll guarantee your mutate triggers. I'd recommend running creatures such as: Bontu the Glorified, Darksteel Myr, Predator Ooze, Rhonas the Indomitable and Yahenni, Undying Partisan. Indestructible commanders are pretty baller.
3 months ago
Thanks for the detailed suggestions! I initially did have all of those hexproof creatures in the deck, but through playtesting in my group I found that I would constantly be going for a more voltron style game and the purely hexproof bases didnt really give me much to work with offensively. With that, I trimmed down all those cheap hexproof only cards and was left only with Elusive Tormentor Flip, Slippery Bogbonder, and Swiftfoot Boots. If Swiftfoot Boots can stick, then all hexproof bases drawn are dead cards. The Bogbonder is definitely swappable since it's human, but giving Predator Ooze or Blight Mamba a hexproof counter and moving 6 counters from a tutored Polukranos in one play is pretty fun jank. That said, I will continue to test; I think there is a very good case to be made for the trolls especially.
I should also note that in around 7 games with this deck I have yet to cast Brokkos. Auspicious Starrix and Sawtusk Demolisher are easier to cast 6/6 trample mutates that give additional mutate effects and can be recurred with Otrimi's triggered ability. I may actually remove Brokkos if I don't get use out of him in my next few playtests.
3 months ago
Hey, nice budget upgrade of the precon.
You should avoid the mentality of thinking the manabase will come later. Sure, more expensive land upgrades could come later, but you still want to configure the manabase to reflect the rest of your deck. That's not something you can leave for later. The manabase is one of the worst parts of the precon and you haven't changed it to reflect the upgrades you've made.
The upgrades you've made are good, but they don't help much if you don't also change the precon manabase. Predator Ooze while a good card with Otrimi is not worth playing so many Forests. That's the reason for the high number of Forests compared to all other basic lands in the precon to satisfy one card which is not good deck building by Wizards. Ooze is the only card in the precon and in your upgrades therefore it's not worth hurting your ability to cast Otrimi who needs to cast turn four or sooner.
Priority should be to able to cast Otrimi since he's the Commander who can do Commander damage with and that's your best chance of winning. There's many other creatures than Ooze that have much easier mana costs to mutate too. I would cut Ooze until you can consistently cast it while also being able to consistently cast Otrimi. 11x Forest does not give you consistency of casting Otrimi which is more important than casting Ooze. Nightveil Predator is also not worth it while it may be a good creature to mutate too the casting cost is not realistic with the manabase.
You want a close to equal ratio of each color which comes from basic lands and from dual lands. Until you can upgrade the manabase with more expensive dual lands then use a closer to equal amount of basic lands. More Forests then the rest is fine since a Forest helps to cast early game mana dorks and land ramp spells which can then help to color fix for blue and black, but 11x Forest is way too much. Adding a Farseek and Zagoth Triome, Farseek can search for a Triome, would help with ramp and color fixing in one.
Some budget lands to consider adding:
Jarad's Orders lets you tutor for two creatures; put one into your hand and the other into your graveyard. It can tutor for a creature to mutate to and put a mutate creature into your graveyard to recur with Otrimi. Final Parting also does this except the two cards you get can be any cards. Neoform is sac a creature you control to tutor for a creature with one more CMC and put that creature onto the battlefield. It's powerful for a two drop and less than $1. Of course you don't want to sac a mutate creature because then all the creatures are put into your graveyard, but sacing a creature to upgrade the creature before you mutate could be a strong play.
Vivien, Champion of the Wilds lets you mutate at instant speed with flash. With vigilance she also makes the mutated creature able to attack and then also block on opponents turns. Her last ability can be repeatable way to potentially find a creature to cast. She interacts well with Vivien, Monsters' Advocate who've you've added since then you can cast the creature cards you see on top of your library at instant speed.
Crystal Shard is another repeatable bounce effect for the mutated creature. Having more of this effect is helpful to save the entire mutate pile from removal especially removal that exiles or lets you change the first creature that's mutated.
Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
One easy cut is Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary due to him being banned. Also if primal surge is your goal, you should probably cut your other instants and sorceries.
potential cuts: - Blanchwood Armor having big creatures is scary enough, them having +10/+10 is obviously good but it's a bit win more.
Ambush Viper just doesn't really do anything exciting
Predator Ooze pretty slow unless you have ways to abuse +1/+1 couters imo
you have 2 Yeva, 2 rogue's passages, 2 yaviamaya hollow
Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer It's just kind of a 10/10 and that's it
Verdant Force it's good just not the greatest imo
Some potential includes:
3 months ago
This deck leans really heavily on three drops. The mutate mechanic needs some lower cost creatures to get started. I see you have Slippery Bogle and Paradise Druid as low drop creatures that are hard to remove. You may want to find a few more. Gladecover Scout and Silhana Ledgewalker are good hexproof creature to add. Mana dorks are also good to mutate onto as well. Llanowar Elves et al. are fine, Birds of Paradise is probably better. I would cut some of your three drops to add some of these.
The balance between hexproof and indestructible seems like a challenge, but you kinda get both from Thrun, the Last Troll and Troll Ascetic. A few other higher cmc hexproof creature you may find interesting Witchstalker and Aven Fleetwing.
Teferi's Time Twist and other effects that blink creatures can make your single large "Voltron" creature into a small army.