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If you're going all in on discard, The Rack and Shrieking Affliction are probably better for you than Liliana's Caress. You should look up list's for both pack rat and 8-rack and see which you prefer!
July 1, 2018 9:02 p.m.
Lili of the veil is pretty important, but you can make a relatively budget control deck with Fatal Push, Inquisition of Kozilek, Thoughtseize and Terminate as a base, plus then around it you can have Goblin Rabblemaster, Pack Rat and 2 or 3 Blood Moon and attempt to do a budget Moon Rats build. You wouldn't want Dark Confidant or Liliana of the Veil due to budget reasons, but you could run Asylum Visitor in place of Bob and Necrogen Mists in place of the Lili... not as effect, but, it works. Plus, any lands you buy can go toward non-budget lists.
July 1, 2018 8:35 p.m.
In regards to control, there are a lot of ways you can control a game! In my opinion, there are 2 main strategies in control, one that is Proactive and one that is Reactive. These might seem pretty self-explanatory, but I’ll describe in detail a little bit more below.
First, let’s start with a Proactive style of control. In these decks, you attempt to control you opponent by attacking them and making decisions for them. You impact them in these lists, unlike a reactive counterpart. This is best established through hand disruption, such as Inquisition of Kozilek, Thoughtseize and Duress, which are all relatively inexpensive now (I remember back when Thoughtseize was $40 per copy!!). This way, you get information on your opponents plan, you get to determine what they are allowed to play and you can play around what else you know exists. After hand disruption, all control decks will play removal but each plays different types. Proactive will run cards like Fatal Push, Cast Down, Go for the Throat and Terminate among other options. These clean up what you don’t take away or what you don’t feel is necessary to take away. Hero's Downfall will also answer planeswalkers if needed. Your finishers are a ton of fun in these lists also! You’ll often see Liliana of the Veil, Tassy G and Big Fish as finishers, but sometimes Pack Rat and other’s appear as challengers!
Second, we can talk about Reactive control. These lists will react to what your opponent does in an effort to control the game. These lists are also typically significantly more expensive. For Reactive lists, you’ll sit behind a counterspell shield through Mana Leak and Cryptic Command as hard counters, Remand as a soft counter, and attempt to out card advantage your opponent through card draw. Commonly, control lists now run Jace, the Mind Sculptor as a finisher, but the alternatives aren’t much cheaper. Snapcaster Mage works to close out games, as does Celestial Colonnade. Other closers can be Gideon of the Trials, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar with a few other options hovering around. The main concern with these lists is money, as Snapcaster Mage and Celestial Colonnade define this archetype.
There is only really 2 superfriends lists that work for 2 colors in my mind. One is with Liliana of the Veil, Gideon of the Trials, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar and maybe Sorin, Solemn Visitor. This list is basically a Smallpox deck with upside, and it runs Mutavault, Shambling Vent and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth as extra ways to win. The other list is with Liliana of the Veil, Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver and Jace, the Mind Sculptor but those are expensive.
July 1, 2018 7:51 p.m.
I had a very long response typed up explaining what I thought, but then Tappedout crashed on me and I lost it. I'm gonna take some time and type it up again, but I will respond to the easy part here.
In terms of lots of planeswalkers, that's a bit difficult to do in modern.... It's expensive and easy to disrupt, but it is fun once it gets going! Each planeswalker will cost you anywhere between 5-30 dollars on average, but the main issue is the mana base. You need fetches and shocks since you constantly need several colors of mana on any given turn and that gets expensive. It is doable, but not very consistent and a bit heavy on the wallet at times. I'll post here later about the control decks, as I have a long explanation about them to give you ideas. I'm gonna type in M Word later and paste it over here so the site doesn't crash and lose it again!
July 1, 2018 5:56 p.m.
I know it was mentioned once before, but if you want pure aggro, I'd suggest 8-Whack. Extremely cheap mana base (many many Mountains) along with all the fun goblins! Goblin Guide isn't super expensive and neither is Legion Loyalist. I'm almost certain those are the most expensive cards in the deck.
Even if you need to buy all 60 cards for the main, it'll still be probably be about half the cost, if not less, the mana requirement for zoo.
July 1, 2018 4:32 p.m.
Hey REALAZOTH1, I figure it'll be easier to come over here and talk rather than on the Eldrazi and Taxes list as it doesn't really have anything to do with that list.
You asked over there what decks are fun to play, and there isn't a good answer to that. I said that I thought that storm and titanshift were not very fun since they are fairly linear combo decks, however, I know many people who enjoy combo decks.
What you find fun is really up to you, and lots of people here can help you find a deck that you'll enjoy. What kind of lists have you ran before (competitive or casual) or if you don't know how to title them, what colors/themes have you played before?
July 1, 2018 4:25 p.m.
Storm is cheap and will win games. It's around 300-400 I believe, but I don't find it nearly as rewarding or enjoyable to play... and a lot of people won't enjoy playing with you as storm isn't very enjoyable to play against.
I also think that scape/titanshift is around 500-600, but it's another linear combo deck most of the time. The good news with that is scapeshift should be going down over time as it's being reprinted in M19. So the overall price might dip a little.
The main issue with both decks is that they're combo decks with very linear lines of play. In storm, you make mana, draw cards, search your library and then kill someone. With titanshift, you play lots of lands, play a titan to play more lands and then kill someone. There isn't a ton of interaction with either of them (at least, in 90% of your games).
July 1, 2018 1:39 p.m.
I'd really recommend shifting the Stony Silences and Rest in Peaces to the sideboard in exchange for 2 more Vials and 2 more Tali. The extra Thalias are significantly better disruption in modern than the stonys will be, as Thalia hits more cards than stony. Personally I run 4 Tidehollow Sculler for disruption, but that can get interesting with mana sometimes.
An alternative would be making the deck mono-white. As much as I love Wasteland Strangler, the mana in b/w can screw you over sometimes. You only gain 6 cards in your current list that need , so it might be worth it to removal all the black, add in 4 Thraben Inspector and then have 2 flex spot. Those could be any extra creatures really, Blade Splicer, Restoration Angel, Mirran Crusader and Linvala, Keeper of Silence all come to mind as extra critters.
While I play and prefer / I do know that mono white lists are somewhat viable, just a bit more value orientated that way.
July 1, 2018 1:16 a.m.
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