Cry of the Carnarium

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Cry of the Carnarium

Sorcery

All creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn. Exile all creature cards in all graveyards that were put there from the battlefield this turn. If a creature would die this turn, exile it instead.

Vicarian on Arena Esper Control Deck

1 year ago

Apollo_Paladin I had Void Rend used against Tef in a Raffine, Scheming Seer card advantage deck. I've been thinking that Cry of the Carnarium might be too many at a 3-of. I have a gold wildcard to use, so I think I'll give a one-of a shot. Also, apologies for missing your earlier message. I was messing with Arena on my phone and it must have still been open in the background when I went to do other things.

StoryArcher on Merchant of Death (Modern Mono-Black)

2 years ago

GeminiSpartanX, sergiodelrio, wallisface

Alright, based on some of your suggestions, I've made the following changes to the deck:

Removed:

Added:

This brings my deck size down to 60 and my land count up to 22. With so much black mana required I am a touch skittish about having the additional colorless mana cards in there but I feel like the land destruction really is important.

In my sideboard I also made a few minor changes. I've still got what I need to go full compliment with Discard + Surgical Extraction (it is just a devastating 1-2 punch against pretty much any combo deck), but I tossed in a fourth Murderous Rider for when it seems like I need more removal. For the last two slots I'm currently bouncing back and forth between a pair of Void Mirror or Collective Brutality.

It'll be interesting to test this out.

My only other consideration right now is whether there is a better beat down option out there than Nighthawk Scavenger for the same cost? I admit, I don't love the dis-synergy they have with Dauthi Voidwalker but the scavenger has been so incredibly effective for me in the past, it's tough to let go. I don't want to only rely on Gary and the Obliterator as win-cons, so I definitely want a threat in those slots.

Additional thoughts, if you're still inclined to offer them? If not, then again, I appreciate the ideas already offered.

StoryArcher on Merchant of Death (Modern Mono-Black)

2 years ago

I'm very appreciative of everyone's comments and the time taken to write them - you've given me a good bit to think about. I do want to address a few of them, not as an argument but to show where my thinking is/was, if only so you guys can point out to me where I'm mistaken.

wallisface

  • It seems to be a consistent belief that Surgical Extraction is being used as some sort of graveyard hate when the point of using it (often in conjunction with Thoughtseize or Inquisition of Kozilek to break combo decks, something you have suggested I would have trouble against. My (current) defense against a lot of the issues you mention is selective hand destruction and then Extracting them out of the deck.

  • The thought behind Bad Moon isn't to race Burn so much as it is to nudge most of my creatures past the key 3 Toughness that makes them vulnerable to things like Lightning Bolt or Anger of the Gods.

  • I thought Cry of the Carnarium would be of use against a number of weenie decks, from humans to elves, but it is ultimately speculative. Just looking for some sort of mass removal.

  • Are you suggesting splashing red solely for side-boarding Blood Moon?

sergiodelrio

  • The fetch lands are more for maximizing the effectiveness of Fatal Push than for thinning my deck, which is just a nice side effect. At the moment their benefit is more theoretical as I haven't spent the money to invest in them yet.

  • Thoughtseize seemed like the more effective card, and with 11 Lifelink cards (not counting Gray Merchant of Asphodel), I haven't generally run into life problems as a result of it or Sign in Blood.

  • With the hand destruction, 4x Fatal Push and 3x Murderous Rider do you really think I still need more removal?

GeminiSpartanX

  • I think looking at cantrips (over Sign in Blood) is an interesting idea. It's also interesting that you bring up the seemingly incongruent natures of Nighthawk Scavenger and Dauthi Voidwalker. It seems like I usually end up getting them them in groups of one or the other, but of course that's just randomness. I'm loathe to give up either because the Voidwalker is such a strong and useful card while the Nighthawk is often my best offensive weapon. It is something that bears watching, though.

  • I really don't consider Surgical Extraction graveyard hate, but rather a combo deck breaker, especially when used in conjunction with Discard.

  • A number of good sideboard suggestions there, exactly what I was hoping for. I actually like the idea of Unearth as a potential replacement for Sign in Blood.

GeminiSpartanX on Merchant of Death (Modern Mono-Black)

2 years ago

I disagree that IoK should be played over TS in the current meta that is rife with pitch elementals, Murktides, Primeval Titans, and Omnaths. However a 3/3 split could be ok if you find yourself short on life in most games. In place of the Sign in Bloods, I've seen people run a cantrip creature like Dusk Legion Zealot that can block a Ragavan while adding to your devotion count (although I do recognize that the secret mode of sign in blood that can burn your opponent in a pinch can be useful). I'd also cut the Cry of the Carnarium from the MD, adding the 22nd land. Running a few fetches to enable Fatal Push is fine, although I'm not sure you need more than 4 for just that reason. Also, have you run into any issues running Nighthawk Scavenger and Dauthi Voidwalkers together? The Scavenger wouldn't get very big if you played a Voidwalker the turn before. If you need to cut a 3-drop creature, that's where I'd start if you don't want to move the Voidwalkers to the SB.

The bigger issue with your deck is the SB though. With 4 MD Voidwalkers and a Tymaret, you definitely don't need as much grave hate as you currently have. I'd add at least 2 more removal spells that can hit larger creatures to the SB for the matchups that need them. Something that can hit Murktide Regent, Omnath, Locus of Creation, Fury, and Solitude, and that only costs 2 mana. I don't know if you play against much burn or control, but Collective Brutality is a good card against burn, low-to-the-ground aggro, and control decks. Tourach, Dread Cantor is also good right now against white decks like humans, UW control, decks playing Solitude, and in other grindy matchups where the discard is relevant. It also helps get more cards to steal if you have a Voidwalker in play. It doesn't add much to devotion, but it's still a good card in the meta that might work as a 2-of in your SB. Void Mirror is good if you play against Cascade, Tron, and the pitch elementals, and Plague Engineers would be good if you play against Humans, Merfolk, or any other tribal deck. Unearth would be good to bring in against removal-heavy decks, and allows you to aggressively use an early Gifted Aetherborn or Scavenger as a removal spell if needed.

*Also you may want to update in your description, as Sinkhole is not modern legal. It would be awesome if it was since Tron and Amulet can be tough matchups.

wallisface on Merchant of Death (Modern Mono-Black)

2 years ago

StoryArcher to answer your specific questions:

  • Phyrexian Crusader would be a very odd sideboard choice. I think your sideboard in general needs a lot of work, over half of it is just graveyard hate which feels really excessive. I think you need to diversify your sideboard to better cope with devotions numerous bad matchups. Specifically, you have no answer for Torpor Orb, and very little to do versus control decks. Combo decks are also likely to give you grief. And you probably want some cards to help you versus burn. At the moment the sideboard feels really lacking.

  • Cry of the Carnarium is a fine card, but really it should only exist in the sideboard. Its only real purpose will be to cope with Mirran Crusader when you’re playing against taxes.

  • Bad Moon doesn’t offer you anything particularly special (trying to race aggro feels like a bad plan?), but Blood Moon should defo be an auto-include as 2-of in the sideboard - all the more established black-devotion decks i’ve seen seem to be including these to have a fighting chance versus a lot of the greedier meta.

  • Withered Wretch is probably a fine alternate to Relic, though might be a bit slow. Most of the time shutting down a graveyard deck equals an easy win anyway, so i think you just want Relic as its faster. In any case, as mentioned before, 8 grave-hate cards in the sideboard is overkill, unless your meta is entirely dredge.

On the Sign in Blood topic, the issue with it is that it often consumes valuable devotion points. Playing it turn-2 gives you nothing (board-state-wise), and nobody wants to be playing a single 1cmc creature on turn-3. Playing it will almost always put your opponent ahead in board state, and as you’re effectively a sorcery-speed-creature-deck, having a full hand isn’t particularly helpful for securing a win.

StoryArcher on Merchant of Death (Modern Mono-Black)

2 years ago

wallisface

Any thoughts about the various quandaries I'm entertaining above? Does Phyrexian Crusader warrant inclusion in the sideboard? Is Cry of the Carnarium the best use of that lone card slot? Is Bad Moon worthy of serious consideration? How much will a lack of land destruction ultimately hurt me? Is Withered Wretch a better option than Relic of Progenitus om this particular deck?

TijuanaBachelorParty on Rush’И’Attack!

2 years ago

Balaam__, Languish is fairly on par for most board wipes at 4 cmc. Other options could include: - Blasphemous Act (which is much better if opponent is playing many creatures) - Damn Great versatility but you would have to add white to use it best - Cry of the Carnarium (as kamarupa mentioned), Shrivel, or Pestilent Haze, which are all similar effects to Languish. The difference is what versatility you want in the card. You've got options! I reccomend mtgassist.com.

kamarupa on Rush’И’Attack!

2 years ago

First of all, I logged in just to upvote this deck.

Second, The Meathook Massacre is sort of cheaper MV-wise than Languish. There's also Cry of the Carnarium and a few other options, but all with less effective ranges.

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