Target opponent reveals his or her hand. You choose a creature card from it. That player discards that card. Scry 1.
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Harsh Scrutiny Discussion
2 months ago
Just dropped by for a quick look.
+1 for Dragons because they are cool.
Of course this all depends on how far you want to lean into a Dragon theme.
Lathliss, Dragon Queen is also a game changer.
3 months ago
Hey , thanks for the reply! The meta is extremely creature heavy. That's why I'm running Harsh Scrutiny in the mainboard (which I might replace with a Despise instead), with a third Duress in the sideboard to swap out when needed. We calculate based on the price on MTGGoldfish and I'm at $102 right now (https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2290506#paper), so you're probably right about Inquisition of Kozilek
We only have one burn-ish deck (which also happens to be me running a mono-red prowess variant), so I feel like lifegain can live in the sideboard for now (e.g. Pulse of Murasa & Spike Feeder ). I chose Grisly Salvage over Pulse of Murasa because I was getting mana-screwed pretty regularly. The cheap land package is really difficult to do in these particular three colours. But, Grisly Salvage is a card that I can use when I need to grab a land or when I want to grab a potentially game-swinging threat. And, I feel like since I'm not running fetches or anything that tosses things into the graveyard Pulse of Murasa will only grab low-cmc creatures that I had played earlier in the game rather than massive hulks that can swing things in my favour. That being said, Pulse of Murasa may be better in the late game, but worse in the early game (which is where I have trouble).
As for Aether Hub , I've felt like it's value is extremely dependent on getting Winding Constrictor or Glint-Sleeve Siphoner out. If you are desperate and have to use its energy counter, Aether Hub can be a dead land due to the high number of coloured spells in the deck. That's why I cut one. But, when it goes off, it really goes off! TBH, the land base is where this version of the deck really struggles (as well as the reliance on the Winding Constrictor / Glint-Sleeve Siphoner combo). So, any additional thoughts on these issues would be super helpful!
Bristling Hydra is a super interesting addition and might help with my Aether Hub problem. I'm worried it might be a bit slow and isn't a big enough payoff in the 4cmc slot. Greenbelt Rampager might also work in here. I honestly am not sure about either of those. I'll give it a shot either way!
Champion of Lambholt might also be a bit slot. On turn 4 and beyond, the plan is basically to play one big creature a turn (hopefully). So, I feel like Champion of Lambholt won't grow fast enough. I think you recommended Managorger Hydra in a comment thread earlier. Do you think either of these is better than Sprouting Thrinax in this deck?
Also, do you have a preference between Phyrexian Revoker and Pithing Needle ? I guess the threat and the ability to grow Scavenging Ooze with Phyrexian Revoker isn't worth the vulnerability it has as a creature. Pithing Needle is probably the better choice.
on $100 Jund
3 months ago
Hey JostinFrutz awesome list. What are some of the other decks in your playgroup? Is the card pool Modern legal only? I like Pulse of Murasa over Grisly Salvage . It really helps against burn. Duress is probably better than Inquisition of Kozilek due to the budget constraints.
I would tend to go towards a more energy focused list for the budget. Bristling Hydra comes to mind. I’d cut a swamp for the 4th Aether Hub and probably cut Harsh Scrutiny for Duress . You want to win by having bigger threats than the opponent in this scenario. Champion of Lambholt could be fun with the +1/+1 counters over Sprouting Thrinax .
SB I would squeeze Pithing Needle in there somewhere.
Looks like a lot of fun. I might expand on this on my page sometime soon.
4 months ago
Forgot to say, if you insist on keeping the Harsh Scrutiny (as a budget fill-in for Thoughtseize or Inquisition of Kozilek), you should take a look at Despise . You lose scry 1 but are able to hit Planeswalkers as well as creatures. Duress is probably better than both, though, since you have Terminates (or Smallpox , should you decide to use them).
6 months ago
All right and here we go. I have gone full full circle at this point. I’ve tried to create a loops and found that the wording didn’t quite work. I found a separate loop and discovered it didn’t work as well as I liked either. So now I have come back full circle to basically what I had before. Mostly black vampires with some sort of variation of flying, Lifelink, or death touch. If they are not one of those combinations they have some other life manipulation capabilities. I would say the one thing that I’ve gained out of all of this experience is how to set up my instants with Fatal Push and Sorcery with Duress and Harsh Scrutiny . Any more ideas would be appreciated.
9 months ago
1 year ago
BW control generally involves discard spells. You can get some good ones with Duress , Despise , and Castigate . If your friends play mostly creatures, then Harsh Scrutiny is good too. Hymn to Tourach is relatively cheap, but it's very very very very strong, play it at your own risk of creating an arms race between you and your playgroup.
Healer's Hawk is definitely more of an aggro card, if you want an effect like that, I would recommend Vampire Nighthawk . Obzedat, Ghost Council is incredibly strong, as is Blood Baron of Vizkopa . Vona, Butcher of Magan is incredible too.
I love merciless eviction, but you should really only run one, I would recommend you play some copies of Day of Judgment , Languish , Wrath of God , and Ritual of Soot to get those wraths earlier and keep the board clear.
I cannot recommend enough some Isolated Chapel s, Temple of Silence , Concealed Courtyard s, Shambling Vent s, and Caves of Koilos . Fetid Heath has recently plummeted in price as well, but I don't know your budget.
You'll definitely want some card draw to refill your hand too. In these colors it comes at the cost of life, for the most part. My personal favorites in casual decks are Twilight Prophet , but she is ridiculously expensive, and Kaya, Ghost Assassin . Arguel's Blood Fast Flip, Phyrexian Arena , Greed , Sign in Blood , Night's Whisper , Damnable Pact , Dark Bargain , Read the Bones , and Midnight Oil .
Hope this was at least a little helpful!
1 year ago
Alright, awesome! I don't know your meta, so let me know if these suggestions aren't right for you and your playgroup(s).
First off, this is straight up Midrange. A couple counters and removal/control magic cards doesn't make it control.
Secondly, I would focus first on your mana base. The distribution of your lands will depend on the end result of the deck, as in how many black/blue/white symbols are on the card adn how early they appear. Some cheaper lands for esper are Fetid Pools , Irrigated Farmland , Sunken Hollow , and Prairie Stream . These are great choices as they have the basic land types and are able to be fetched with fetchlands, and the cycle effect on the first too can be really hand late game. I'd go with one or the other though, and those also turn on lands like Isolated Chapel , Glacial Fortress , and Drowned Catacomb . If your group plays lands that can be troublesome, cards like Ghost Quarter and Field of Ruin are some great ones that aren't straight up land destruction. I would heavily suggest Field of Ruin over Ghost Quarter though, as it doesn't set YOU back on mana. I would also strongly recommend playing at least 8 basic land cards and at least 25 lands with the amount of high cost cards you have as well.
This kind of deck really does not need Expedition Map , and Elixir of Immortality is really only good if there is an opponent on mill, there are better options if you need life gain. Cards like Wall of Omens , Ruin Raider , Twilight Prophet , Dusk Legion Zealot , Phyrexian Rager , Thassa, God of the Sea or Kefnet the Mindful are all great creatures that can help you draw cards and lands if needed. Spells like Preordain , Serum Visions , Impulse , Painful Truths , Discovery / Dispersal (which can act as removal as well, if need be), and Esper Charm are all well and dandy. If you choose to run any of these, with the kind of deck you're on, I would recommend choosing one of the 1 or 2 cost ones and running four, then run two copies of the 3-cost ones at max.
As for your enchantments, Sorin, Solemn Visitor , Sorin, Lord of Innistrad , or Elspeth, Sun's Champion , and Elspeth, Knight-Errant would all be better than True Conviction as they come down much faster (except Sun's Champion), are far easier to cast in a 3-color deck (W-Bla is much easier than WWW), they also give you creatures to flood the board.
The problem with Control Magic , is that it is far easier to get around than regular removal, but if you're adamant on stealing your opponent's toys, Entrancing Melody , Exert Influence for smaller creatures and Connive / Concoct which can double as rebuying a dead creature of yours, or Confiscation Coup paired with cards like Glimmer of Genius , Glint-Sleeve Siphoner , and Aether Hub . I recommend this because Control Magic can be destroyed by enchantment destruction effects adn let your opponent get their things back, especially if you don't have Privileged Position out, speaking of which
I wouldn't run it. Run more counterspells in its place. You don't want to broadcast the whole 'hit me, i'm setting up a hexproof Exquisite-Sanguine combo' and give them targets for their removal. You need to slam those things down and then protect them. Cryptic Command is amazing, and 3 is good enough. Depending on how your playgroup does with counterspells, og Counterspell , Mana Leak , Supreme Will , Ojutai's Command , Silumgar's Command , Negate , Essence Scatter , and Dissolve are all good. Arcane Denial if you want to be nice about it. You want to make them spend the mana on their way to answer your threats and then Dash Hopes (don't play that one, it's funny but not good). With Counterspells, you generally want to spend less mana on it than what you're countering, and they're better in multiplayer games than discard.
If you're playing 1v1 matches, you could go with discard effects over counterspells, but choose one or both. Cards like Duress , Thought Erasure , Divest , Harsh Scrutiny , Persecute , Arterial Flow (bonus points if you're playing with Twilight Prophet and friends with this one), Inquisition of Kozilek , Thoughtseize , Castigate , Blackmail , and Hymn to Tourach . You also have Kitesail Freebooter , Tidehollow Sculler , and Brain Maggot . From what you said with liking how your creatures take control, this is the route I would recommend for you, especially Kitesail Freebooters and Thought Erasures since one is a creature and the other can help fix your next draw step.
Once again, run Counterspells or Discard, and preferably counters in multiplayer. The simple reasoning is with discard you spend mana and resources and they don't spend mana and lose resources, counters you both spend mana and resources with you, preferably, spending less mana and quality of resources, and you don't want to tax your mana and resources doing both.
Don't run Riot Control . Don't do it. Run Eerie Interlude instead of Rootborn Defenses as it will trigger and enter the battlefield effects when your creatures come back and get you advantages that way.
Jace is cool, but run those Sorins and Elspeths I mentioned earlier instead, they fit better in your kind of deck.
Some way better creatures for you are Dragonlord Silumgar , Dragonlord Ojutai , Cloudblazer , Restoration Angel , Ravenous Chupacabra , Isareth the Awakener , Vona, Butcher of Magan , Nightveil Predator , Thalia, Heretic Cathar , Hostage Taker , Regal Caracal , Thraben Inspector , Noxious Gearhulk , Torrential Gearhulk , or Cataclysmic Gearhulk . There are so many options out there, and in the end it's your deck so you can make it however you would like. I hope this was at least a little bit of help.
Also, definitely find some room for Swords to Plowshares and Anguished Unmaking . Life is a resource and don't be afraid to spend a little bit or give your opponent some more if it means not letting them win or letting you win.