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Creature — Sliver
All Slivers have shroud. (They can't be the targets of spells or abilities.)
Crystalline Sliver Discussion
3 weeks ago
I love Slivers, and am more than excited to give you my two cents- however, I have a major pet peeve when it comes to deck descriptions, specifically the lack of a deck description which your page has. When you don't include a detailed description it's hard for me to get a feel for how you want to your deck to play. Plus, it'll be a big help for you as you can put some thought into how you want your Sliver deck to play...as Slivers are the most flexible tribe in all of magic (and for those of you who doubt that, or want to argue- fight me :P). So yeah, get your deck description right- here are some resources you can use to help you get started:
End Rant. So, onward onto actual suggestions. Since you're running Sliver Overlord you are going to go for a more control oriented deck. You'll likely want to focus on Slivers that help you keep a stranglehold on the board as you won't need any of the Lord Sliver s. They're simply irrelevant as you are rarely going to be swinging wide with this commander. I would just include the one Sliver Lord that actually matters: Sliver Legion .
- Acidic Sliver - sacrificing Slivers is never ideal unless you are getting the better end of the deal. Sac-ing a Sliver to deal a paltry 2 damage isn't worth it. Cut.
- Diffusion Sliver - doesn't really work in commander. Paying an extra to remove a pesky creature in Commander is hardly a tax. This card is only good in standard where you could play multiple copies of this card, and make that tax potentially or . Cut.
- Morophon, the Boundless feels more like a win-more card - essentially it's a card that only helps you if you're already ahead. Cut.
- Opaline Sliver - generally, you don't want your Slivers to be targeted at all by your opponents(hint Crystalline Sliver ) - not to mention this card is a total non-combo or non-bo with the previously mentioned sliver. Cut.
- Shadow Sliver - losing the ability to block for evasion is a risky gamble. Since Overlord is the more Control oriented Sliver and doesn't really encourage an aggro play style this sliver will rarely afford you an advantage. You have better options for evasion in the deck already (in my opinion.) Cut.
- Tempered Sliver - This Sliver only benefits you if you were playing a more aggro style deck - and also if you could play multiple copies. Getting a +1/+1 counter only if your slivers can hit the opponent is okay...but I think you could better use the card slot for something else. Cut.
- Virulent Sliver - This Sliver is cute, but unfortunately doesn't offer much in the way of a valid alternate win option. Definitely another win-more card, as you'll need 10 separate instances of combat damage on each opponent. Honestly, that's not really feasible in my opinion - unless you had 4 of these in your deck. But alas, that is a Sliver that doesn't really benefit you. Cut.
- Ward Sliver - This one i'm a little bit uncertain on as protection can be incredibly handy depending on the circumstance - but for ? That's a hefty asking price. I think you could put that mana to better use elsewhere. Cut.
So that's it for my recommendations regarding what Slivers to cut. As for the rest of you deck, i'll save those recommendations for when you can give me a bit more information on how you want your deck to play - are you looking for a more aggro play style? If so, i'd recommend Sliver Hivelord or Sliver Legion honestly - but that's for a later conversation. Look forward to your response - i'm always happy to see another Sliver deck - Chitinous Approval Ensues
3 weeks ago
To start, I disagree with a few of shadow63's cuts.
Dormant Sliver is a powerhouse, allowing for extremely explosive plays where you draw and play Sliver after Sliver. The downside is significant, but between Necrotic Sliver and your own removal spells, it is pretty easy to kill your own Dormant Sliver and remove defender.
Sedge Sliver would work a lot better if you had a number of fetch/shock lands, but it still pulls its weight in a budget deck. The ability to save any sliver from dying is invaluable.
Amoeboid Changeling allows you to take other players' creatures using your commander.
I do agree that you can probably cut Tamiyo (unless you have a sacrifice-heavy meta). Ashnod's is a great card, but, with Gemhide turning your slivers into ramp, you do not really need it.
Here's some other cuts I would recommend:
Aether Vial - outstanding card in 60-card constructed Slivers, since the overwhelming majority of your slivers are exactly 2 mana. Its effectiveness in singleton, however, is a bit lackluster.
Even though your commander benefits from Training Grounds , I do not think you have a critical mass of creatures with generic-requiring mana abilities to make Training Grounds worth a slot. Same goes for Heartstone .
Bring to Light is a bit too much mana for its effect. I do not think you need it.
Next we get into cutting your underperforming slivers. You probably should get rid of 16 or so of your 44 creatures.
Here's a few I would certainty remove:
- Syphon Sliver - lifelink isn't all that exciting of an ability.
- Synapse Sliver - solid ability, but you have better card draw, and five mana is pretty heft.
- Opaline Sliver - You have enough tutors that it should be easy enough to find Crystalline Sliver instead.
- Lavabelly Sliver - too low of an impact.
Beyond those, look at the mana costs of the slivers, and try to cut some of the higher-costed ones. Sure, they have great abilities, but slivers work best when you're dumping a large number of them onto the field as quickly as possible. Focus on the ones that have strong combo potential or work to protect key combo pieces.
Frankly, you can probably stand to cut some of the pure pump/combat slivers, such as Sinew Sliver . Sinew and its friends another card that excels in 60-card constructed, when you can run 12 total pump slivers; it singleton, three is just not that big of a deal. Sliver Legion already provides you a strong way to aggressively close out games--you don't need a bunch of worse versions of that effect.
2 months ago
Sedge Sliver works quite well with Prismatic Omen and I had it there until the last update. It works supposedly well since it also pumps, so it serves two purposes. Not that the pump is that significant but... Crypt Sliver is a big no. I'm planing on getting Crystalline Sliver out asap. I looked at it but the targeting is a bit of a pain.
Crib Swap is a nice card indeed. Shame it can't be unearthed.
2 months ago
I personally would vote for both. Sedge Sliver does have a bit of a drawback in that you only have 7 lands that can tap for black (and be used to pay for abilities), but with Manaweft Sliver , Gemhide Sliver , and Chromatic Lantern it does shore that weakness up a bit. I play in a pretty sweeper-heavy meta, so I run a lot of regenerate/protective effects. Crypt Sliver is also pretty good, though it does non-bo with Crystalline Sliver , so might not be a great fit in a deck where you can get global shroud out and online pretty quickly.
Ghostflame Sliver plays well with All Is Dust if you wanted a sweeper of your own, and you can fetch Crib Swap with Sliver Overlord for instant speed exile removal. That and if you've got the extra mana you can just steal the changeling yourself!
3 months ago
Hey Sectiron, +1 for you mate!
Here's my (casual?) list: Slivers/ First/ Lords
Clearly you've given it some thought, but it reads like you're underestimating your excludes... unless you're under-tuning for casual, tbf.
I wanted to list a few combos in case you missed them ;)
...and more I'm sure!
...Basically, Morophon, the Boundless , Sliver Queen , and Pulmonic Sliver go infinite in many ways... and Dormant Sliver , Basal Sliver (aka Ashnod's Altar ) , and Darkheart Sliver are all really good.
...as are Firewake Sliver (it gives haste) and Mindlash Sliver . Really, any sacrifice in general would let you play and turn off Dormant Sliver / Harmonic Sliver (aka Aura Shards )/ Crystalline Sliver /(etc) as well as capitalize on board wipes.
Ramp feels really nice... why not play more? Resigning yourself to 5 mana sounds miserable! I agree cascading into ramp is a bummer, but if you play 2:1 cards like Skyshroud Claim , (etc), you'll consistently play your commander as well as protect yourself from land hate (...it is too easy to deny the WUBRG player).
Also, play way more 1-drops, including non-Slivers. I personally like Phyrexian Reclamation and have been testing Reconnaissance . Currently my only 0-drop is Summoner's Pact , which effectively lets me stop cascading through <100 cards, tutor, and then shuffle. Your current setup is torture! Cascading for a single 1-drop (which you can't skip and just tutor) into <3 0-drops? You're flipping and shuffling way too much for a single rock! Either way, though, it looks like fun.
My tables are also casual, but Slivers are arch-enemy... no matter what! Embrace it :)
Hopefully this was helpful. glhf!
3 months ago
This is a bit of a long one, but I'd like to respond to all the comments haha,
Love the deck name. The First Sliver is very fast and can be brutal when the opponent can't blow you out. Swarming the field can be enough to slaughter your opponent if its 1v1. It's definitely much harder if your partner has killed your commander 3 times and forced it to become 11 cmc! But of course, still very good.
In non 1v1 it could be harder, but then it could be still ok as well, depends on the meta and the politics in the play group. I never realised how important politics were until I played one of my other favourite decks: Queen Marchesa . Sometimes I face 1 control deck and 2 other aggro decks and I find that we all team up to take down the control deck because it can easily blow us all up with an Evacuation or Cyclonic Rift . In a meta full of other aggro decks, sometimes I find there are more threatening challengers, e.g. Edgar Markov which can start of WAY faster, Maelstrom Wanderer which can just win in a single turn, and Reanimator strategies which summon giant unstoppable threats. In a full combo meta, you might find that you get a lot of support if you make deals with people to assist in taking down a combo player. One of my friends was playing Kess, Dissident Mage storm and everyone countered his boardwipes so I could get in to finish him before he went off. Certainly where no one plays politics, you will seem quite threatening because you're the 'sliver' guy (definitely a dirty word). The First Sliver is very threatening, but it has some weaknesses (e.g. board wipes) and may be portrayed as more 'dirty' than it actually is. If you make it clear what your weaknesses are, play it patient + look for windows where you can surprise kill people, and make it clear that you play a role in keeping the peace (that you're valuable to keep alive), it won't be too bad and people won't see The First Sliver as THAT big of a threat (albeit still a threat haha). When you attack, share the love. When you go in for the kill, be sure u can kill them dead.
I hope you have fun at the LGS! I'm actually overseas on vacation at the moment, but in July I'll be back at my LGS and keen to slam some games with this deck.
Thanks for the constructive criticism; I don't think it's negative at all and very useful. I hope I get more comments like this. I'll try to address all the points, please let me know if I missed anything!
- Hitting 5 mana consistently
You'd be surprised at how often the deck is able to get to 5 mana. I based the land count off my predecessor sliver lists, though after play testing, I found that 35 was good myself. We don't really thin the deck of lands so we draw lands quite a lot. If worse comes to worse, you might need to mull, but as soon as you hit 5 lands you can do much of what the deck was designed to do.
We have ramp in the form of Manaweft Sliver , Gemhide Sliver , Cultivate , Kodama's Reach , Herald's Horn , Urza's Incubator and even 2 pseudo-power cards as ramp (as well as ways to search for them/draw them). But you're right about the lack of ramp. Hence, I've I mentioned in one of the previous comments (#10) that I'll be trying to add more "ramp/rocks to ensure consistency as well as enough mana in the late game". Ultimately, however, I do want to minimise the number of non-sliver cards. The gimmick of this deck just aims to cascade as much as possible and play the pseudo-power cards. We don't risk cascading into ramp by accident, which is what I didn't like about my Maelstrom Wanderer deck, so the ceiling is high, but there is the trade-off.
The deck seems to do fine in getting to 5 from what I've seen, though I'll report back after further tests. Even if it doesn't hit 5 lands on 5, it doesn't mean doom. The deck is admittedly quite glass cannon regarding lands, though by virtue, it also has a high ceiling. Maybe after testing more, I'll go up to 36, but I will need to find room for that extra land. I'm considering even putting in utility lands (see comment #10) which will grind us advantage while also adding to the land count.
Much of the lands come in tapped yes, but in the guide I wrote that this was a budget mana base. I also suggested to use fetches, shocks (and even duals) if you had them available to you. The lands will come in tapped in this build, though if you sequence correctly it should not be too much of a hindrance.
Ultimately, I keep my low land count because: As you said I mentioned, the deck is fast. For the most part, 5 mana is all you need to go off because you'll be casting multiple slivers off each trigger (we also have acceleration cards that allow free casting, such as Descendants' Path and the hideaway lands, so we can do more with less mana). This low count also ensures you draw as most slivers as possible.
- Recasting the commander
You are completely correct in noticing the weakness in The First Sliver being removed and being hard to be recasted. In comment #4 I stated that after play testing the The First Sliver became widely feared and was likely to be removed. Therefore I suggested to add in Diffusion Sliver . The idea is to either have enough lands or play protection before you cast The First Sliver (for now, but, as I mentioned, I definitely would like to try tech in more ramp, though what we have now is not too bad). Also, you have to be aware that as soon as you cascade a few times after, you're very likely to hit Mox Tantalite and Lotus Bloom which will keep you in the game until you hit more lands and the card draw engines (including Ancestral Vision ) will draw you into more.
As for protection, I consider cards that leave The First Sliver 's casting cost at 5 as protection as well (I probably should have been more clear about this). As long as you can replay your commander, it can do its job. These include: Crypt Sliver , Hibernation Sliver , Frenetic Sliver , Pulmonic Sliver , Sliver Hivelord , Ward Sliver , Crystalline Sliver and ways of searching. Sometimes these slivers will be situational (e.g. some cannot defend against exile effects), though patience and not presenting yourself as a threat before getting these cards out is the key. Sometimes you just need to play without The First Sliver abit. You can also let your commander go to the grave and use Graveshifter or Volrath's Stronghold .
Again, there are also other utility lands which I want to tech in (see comment #10) which will act as recursion after The First Sliver dies. In saying this, I avoid non-sliver protection spells for the same reason I try minimise ramp spells: ending the cascade chain. Also, I would rather draw slivers or non-sliver cards that accelerate us in the late game + while some of the slivers I mentioned account for board-wipes, the non-creature shroud/hex proof cards will leave you with no slivers to protect after a wrath.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely test with more ramp and lands for sure.
This is an interesting suggestion, I haven't really considered it. Though there seem to be some downsides.
Aetherflux Reservoir could be good as we cast so many spells off cascade. This can lead to finishing opponents off early. However, we don't cast enough spells to gain us up to 111 life (assuming this is a standard game with 4 players and everyone at 40 life, leaving us at 1 after Aetherflux Reservoir ). Based on the triangle number sequence, if we cast 4 creatures we will deal 10 damage. If we cast 5 (the average) we will deal 15 damage. If we cast 6, we will deal 21 damage. This will take at least 6 turns to get to 111 life, by which the opponents will have destruction for the Aetherflux Reservoir and we can't protect it, lacking any counters in the deck (a bit too glass cannon?). We are also so aggressive that we can normally already kill under 6 turns when we do go off. Because the lack of defensiveness this deck has, we will also be taking a lot of damage from other aggro decks. This will be worse for us if we play Aetherflux Reservoir , because we will likely become more archenemy than we already are; we can definitely take out 1 or 2 players, but our life will be too at risk from the last player. This also encourages going all out with casting our hand, which may cause us to over-extend and blow out.
This may be assisted by Essence Sliver though such may be a bit inconsistent. Furthermore, it's a risk to cascade into it and is a card that we don't necessarily want in the late game, having cast everything we have already.
Though again, my theorising is all on paper and I might give it a try? In practice who's to say it won't work? With aggression from our deck we may not even need to reach 100 life. Very interesting suggestion.
- Thank you all for the feedback! I like constructive criticism and will continue to improve this build.
4 months ago
Another quick question, what’s you take on Intruder Alarm ? See that you donðt love but i personally use it my list as a good accelerant once you get out a Crystalline Sliver and (now) Cloudshredder Sliver and one or two other slivers to basically tutor all the sliver and ccast them.
4 months ago
No worries, tribal decks can be confusing at times! I've played Merfolk, Humans, Spirits, Slivers, and more, so I get it. To answer your questions:
1) Creatures like Diffusion Sliver , Leeching Sliver , and Lavabelly Sliver stack depending on how many you have. To be more technical, each additional copy would trigger its own instance. For example, if you had two Diffusion Sliver s, your opponent would decided whether or not to pay the 2 mana for the first one, but they would still have to pay 2 more mana for the second one if they wanted their spell or ability to resolve. Likewise, if you had two Leeching Sliver s or Lavabelly Sliver s, each copy would trigger separately, so the first copy would do one damage, and then the second copy would do its one damage.
2) Crystalline Sliver only affects Slivers on the battlefield. Unless its text specifically mentions cards in the graveyard, like Silent Gravestone or Grafdigger's Cage , it won't give Slivers in the graveyard shroud. Dregscape Sliver will still work.
3) I usually board in Harmonic Sliver in matchups where I expect the opponent to almost always have artifacts or enchantments present, like Affinity, Hardened Scales, or Red Prison. I rarely side Aether Vial out if I'm on the play, but if I'm on the draw, it usually gets replaced, as Vial is significantly worse on the draw. However, in matchups like the above, I prefer having Harmonic Sliver even if it means occasionally having to nuke my own Vial, as taking care of Arcbound Ravager , Hardened Scales , or things like Ensnaring Bridge or Chalice of the Void is well worth it.
Hope that helps!
Crystalline Sliver occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.01%