Crystalline Sliver

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Premodern Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Crystalline Sliver

Creature — Sliver

All Slivers have shroud. (They can't be the targets of spells or abilities.)

Doombeard1984 on

1 week ago

So I would probably suggest changing Crypt Sliver for Sedge Sliver. Reason for this is because Crystalline Sliver and Crypt Sliver are a NonBo as you cant target the slivers with the ability.

I would also probably change Shadow Sliver for Shifting Sliver. Gives you the ability to block others, but you can't be blocked. Shadow Sliver is a double edged sword, as you also can't block.

You have the option of another mana Sliver in the form of Gemhide Sliver. Trust me, Mana is your most required asset. I would drop Virulent Sliver as, to be honest, I would not genuinely expect to win with poison counters. And if this was a win con I would be going hard on it, not just a 1 chance.

As the aim of your deck is to go wide, I would be tempted to go with Shared Animosity to pump your attack power.

You have Spiteful Sliver in there, why not include Blasphemous Act? with enough creatures, this in itself can kill off your opponents.

Heart Sliver replacing Reflex Sliver is a strict upgrade. Cheaper and still gives haste.

I would question the value of Spinneret Sliver when you already have 2 slivers giving you flying.

If you are going wide Horned Sliver could be an option, however may not be needed. I would be more inclined to go with a Synapse Sliver. Need to keep that grip full of more Slivers to power the Hive.

Now... onto the mana base...

I would strongly suggest getting more dual color lands which can come into play UNTAPPED. We are in a very intensive deck, and getting to that is super important. Chromatic Lantern could be super useful, and you may also wish to replace something with Morophon, the Boundless.

Whilst ABUR duals are super expesive, and to an extent Fetchlands too, Shocklands (Godless Shrine etc.) and Bondlands (Morphic Pool etc.) may be more accessible. You could look at the Filter lands too, or checks. I just think this could essentially speed up the deck exponentially

I will have another think about some other bits as well and will get back to you :)

Mortlocke on The Queen's Egg

8 months ago

Hey abierto,

It’s been awhile since you commented, glad to hear from you. Thanks for bringing these cards onto my radar. I've got some mixed opinions about each card, so let's discuss - Survival of the Fittest seems only viable when looking for the aforementioned Sliver Queen + Lavabelly Sliver + Basal Sliver combo. Otherwise, i'd just be populating my graveyard for a mass reanimation play that could either make or break my next turn and probably the rest of the game for me. Seems a little too high risk, high reward.

Survival of the Fittest only makes me miss Paradox Engine that much more. I guess I just need to see how it's viable outside of just tutoring for the previously mentioned. Separately, I saw a Sliver themed alter of this card that is really awesome:

Intuition in a good card, but i'm not sure it'll be good in this deck. It would be a great tutor for decks that have reanimation as a primary theme.

Dregscape Sliver on the other hand I’m seriously considering - i'd cut Patriarch's Bidding, as the benefit of only targeting my stuff outweighs the exile at the end of turn. I tend to face a lot of tribal decks in my meta(s), so not bringing back everyone else's graveyard to seal the deal on a combo seems like an easy decision.

Hi Sneuxfox,

Welcome to my deck page, thank you for posting. I've always held Magma Sliver in high regard, but the issue i've had with it is that for it to be a viable card on the board I would need to reach a "critical mass" of Slivers on board. By itself, it's ability is so-so. But I now realize when accompanied by Sentinel Sliver and/or Bonescythe Sliver this creature can make a somewhat threatening board get really out of hand.

To be honest, it's been a long time since i've taken another look at this card. The last time I considered it's inclusion was before M14 at least. Now, after Modern Horizons there are a bunch of more interesting combinations we could use. You've convinced me - i'll be cutting Heart Sliver (as Cloudshredder Sliver makes it obsolete) for Magma.

The only problem I have to worry about now is if Crystalline Sliver is on board. Also, what the heck is happening with Magma Sliver? It just had a serious price spike! You know something I don't?

Thanks again for all of your awesome suggestions and discussion. You help keep this deck list evolving.

Mortlocke on The Queen's Egg

8 months ago

Hey abierto,

Indeed it’s been awhile since you commented, glad to hear from you. Thank you for bringing these cards onto my radar, let’s discuss them - I can easily tell that Survival of the Fittest would dramatically change the way the deck plays – with Survival of the Fittest + Dregscape Sliver on the board, access to at least 3 mana, 1 creature in hand, and at least an additional I can combo out and win the game on that turn. The only drawbacks I can see here are the mana requirements coupled with the more than likely opponent interaction that would be coming my way. Given that Dregscape Sliver’s ability is only sorcery speed – that only solidifies my concern as A simple Bojuka Bog could wreck me If I do not populate my graveyard with care and proper timing. This makes me wish that Paradox Engine wasn’t banned – I really miss that card. The verdict is out on Survival of the Fittest, I want to like to this card but I can’t help but feel hesitant in including it (let alone the investment). I think I’ll maybe proxy it in and see where that takes me. Speaking which, check out this really awesome alter:

Survival of the Fittest Sliver Alter Show

Dregscape Sliver on the other hand I’m considering including. Maybe cutting Patriarch's Bidding, as I do not like the mana investment and the potential added bonus of assisting opponents. In the metas I play in there are a lot of tribal decks – I’m sitting across from at least one or two other tribal decks every game. I’m ordering a copy today, so thank you for mentioning that card again.

Hi Sneuxfox (death by Snu snu?),

Welcome to my deck page! Thank you for posting. I’ve always wanted to work Magma Sliver into this decklist, but I don’t think it would be a good fit – Magma lends itself toward a Sliver deck that compliments a more Aggro strategy where the goal is to hit a “critical mass” of creatures and abuse enough evasion keywords to get a single creature to knock an opponent out. First Sliver's Chosen would be an absolute must include alongside Magma Sliver, as it would solidify a Voltron strategy by stacking Exalted triggers alongside Magma’s ability. I definitely agree that the aforementioned can get out hand when you have just one Sliver be the target of multiple triggers.

I agree that it's criminal that Magma doesn't make it's way into alot of lists, maybe it's due to most decks wanting to lean into the Mid-range Sliver tool box? Or maybe it's because the deck would need to be more Voltron centric? I decided to throw together a quick decklist as an example of what I think the average deck running Magma Sliver would look like:

Budget Aggro Sliver Decklist Show

What're your thoughts on the list, Sneuxfox ?

jaminfine on The First Sliver

10 months ago

Consider removing:

Virulent Sliver because it's ability is basically useless. Poison won't be a game winner. Even against infinite life decks, it's far more likely you'll win with commander damage before poison.

Darkheart Sliver because why would you ever want to sacrifice a sliver to gain 3 life?

Consider adding:

Magma Sliver because BIG DAMAGE means one hit kill with your commander!

Shadow Sliver because it is a cheaper version of Shifting Sliver and has basically the same ability. Nice to have both in the deck because unblockable slivers are very powerful!

Quick Sliver because casting slivers at instant speed allows you insane flexibility that your opponents won't be able to respond to effectively.

Consider replacing Crystalline Sliver with Opaline Sliver because the crystal sounds good until you realize it prevents Crypt Sliver and Magma Sliver from functioning.

Consider replacing Fellwar Stone with Arcane Signet because it's a better card.

Consider replacing Blur Sliver with Heart Sliver because it's less mana and quite similar

Mortlocke on The Queen's Egg

1 year ago

lillobby6, this is quite the post! I have say first and foremost thank you for following this deck's progress over the years. I appreciate that you chose to base your own build off of my own.

" However I was curious as to your opinion on a deck that is somewhat more weighted towards rituals/ritual-esque rocks (of which you run quite few)."

Forgive me if I don't understand what you're referring to here - are you referring to rocks such as Jeweled Lotus, and rituals like Jeska's Will?

"I’ve read some of your comments regarding Morophon, the Boundless and looking at your deck I can see why it likely would not be the best inclusion."

From what I'm interpreting, you are asking how would I re-interpret this deck in such a way that would make Morophon, the Boundless a more worthwhile inclusion? Well, first off I think you're absolutely correct in going with a combo oriented deck with Sliver Queen as it's commander, and only the essential slivers included for the Basal Sliver and etc. infinite combos. By going all in on the powerful staples such as Dockside Extortionist, Smothering Tithe etc, I imagine games would end quickly and decisively with morophon acting as a massive mana filter. The inclusion of Crystalline Sliver, and to a lesser extent Diffusion Sliver and Unsettled Mariner would be paramount as your opponents would likely seek to dismantle your board once they know your usual routes.

I see where this concept is going, and is definitely resembling a more traditional cEDH deck in the sense that the deck does one thing really well, and in theory really fast. I think it could work. I know this is a bit oxymoronic but having a deck that can only win by combo just doesn't seem all that exciting to play. I'm not enough of a Johnny LOL - this is where my personal deck building biases kick in: I want to celebrate the tribe i'm playing, not stifling it by playing the most efficient method to victory. Why bother playing Slivers if you're not going to play Slivers? Following the logic, I should be playing The First Sliver + Food Chain - but screw that. I'd rather have fun.

Caerwyn on Sliver overload

1 year ago

Your best course of action is going to be focusing on four copies of the best slivers, rather than 1-2 copies of a large number of different slivers. Ideally, all your slivers will cost 1 or two mana--anything higher than that is going to hurt your efficiency.

As some general rules, understanding that budget might change some of these suggestions, here is what I would recommend:

  1. Cut every single sliver you have that costs more than 2 mana.

  2. Cut the mana slivers - you will have a much lower curve and not need them.

  3. Run four copies of each of the 2-mana +1/+1 slivers: Muscle Sliver, Predatory Sliver, and Sinew Sliver (which you are running 3 of already).

  4. Add some high-impact, low-curve slivers. 4x Leeching Sliver effectively gives all your slivers +1/0, except deals that 1 additional life to the opponent even if the sliver is blocked. Hibernation Sliver is superior to Crypt Sliver, since it does not require you to keep slivers untapped (you will rarely have untapped slivers because you want to be attacking constantly).

  5. Fill in any gaps with low-mana slivers that have useful abilities focused on increasing damage or protecting slivers from removal (for example, Plated Sliver is low-mana, but does not increase damage or really do much to protect your slivers, so I would not run it). Crystalline Sliver and Galerider Sliver are two of the best options, but they are a little less budget-friendly.

  6. Lands that enter tapped are a death sentence to an aggressive deck like slivers. Consider running lands like Ancient Ziggurat instead.

Mortlocke on The Queen's Egg

1 year ago

kbaylife, I hear you on MH2, after buying a collector's box (note: I didn't pay anywhere near full price - more on that in a later post?) I only received one fetch. I'm going to trade and buy the rest in Foil old border in the near future.

Thanks for the compliment on my list, its my favorite deck and representative of what I like in magic. It always is a help if you leave an upvote, by the way. Id love to get to 600 someday.

As for ol' Morophon, the Boundless , it is simply a win more card. Keep in mind this is within the context of a deck that aims to be as competitive as possible and strictly limited to Sliver Tribal. For mana spent, I need to win the game or change the flow dramatically. Morophon, the Boundless early game is a dead card in hand, mid game will force me to uh... tapout (there's a pun in there somewhere) and have a very vulnerable big target on the field (there is no guarantee that Crystalline Sliver will be available). Late game is when Morophon shines, but if I can sling that kind of mana, then why waste it on casting a big flashy creature instead of trying to establish an infinite combo?

I welcome a rebuttal if you think I'm mistaken, thanks for bringing morophon back on my radar.

Azielle on The Hive Mind Project

1 year ago

I forgot to mention, the two black regen slivers serve very specific protection purposes when looking to combo off:

Clot Sliver protects popping off with Mana Echoes as it can make use of the colourless mana as the combo piece drops into play and produces it.

Likewise, Crypt Sliver lets me have free protection in play to protect a combo piece the turn I go off, so that I can tap out to do so. When I'm looking to drop Morophon, the Boundless it's often an expensive proposition that might win me the game if it sticks. Crypt Sliver or Crystalline Sliver allow me to do that the second I get enough mana.

I didn't really even consider the interaction between the two pieces on an opponent's turn, since they were just included as redundant pieces for their purpose on my combo turn. When I was looking at protect pieces, all I saw in Sedge Sliver was that I'd have to hold up one more black.

For building a castle wall that's hard to kick over though, I'll definitely concede that Sedge Sliver is solid with Crystalline Sliver . Making it hard to wipe and hard to target certainly makes it tough to get rid of the little critters. That said, I'm usually reaching for Wrath of God , Damnation , Toxic Deluge or the like for wipes. None of it would protect me from any of my own decks. In fact, my first nonbo removals in this deck at the spreadsheet stage actually involved ripping my removal package apart because it didn't play nice with my protection package ;)

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