At the beginning of your upkeep, put a pain counter on Torture Chamber.
At the end of your turn, Torture Chamber deals damage to you equal to the number of pain counters on it.
(1), Tap, Remove all pain counters from Torture Chamber: Torture Chamber deals damage to target creature equal to the number of pain counters removed this way.
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Torture Chamber Discussion
1 year ago
2 years ago
the mana curve does not look very healthy. You have a lot of overcosted things that don't actually do much and at the same time you don't have some pieces that I would say are almost mandatory in a darien build.
I know that you want to abuse Darien's ability, but stuff like Armageddon Clock Mindstorm Crown Jinxed Idol Torture Chamber Angel's Trumpet Jade Monolith (Doom Cannon in the maybeboard) are absolutely garbage cards that do nothing when Darien is not on the field and that do very little work when he is in play. For example, you pay 6 for armageddon clock, than you have to wait 3 turns to have 6 soldiers, assuming that darien survives that long, and they are just 1/1s, maybe 2/2s or 3/3s at best.
Now, why don't you just Conqueror's Pledge for 5 mana and you have the 6 soldiers right away? Without even needing Darien out. I think that your deck should be able to generate a good amount of tokens without him and a CRAZY amount with him.You want only self-pain cards that provide other benefits, like Mana Vault or Mana Crypt if budget is not a problem, pain-lands are ok but you lack Ancient Tomb and City of Brass.
Then, I see that you go hard on the indestructible thing for protection, but
1) indestructible does not save you from the best (and common) removal spells in the format Swords to Plowshares Path to Exile Merciless Eviction Hallowed Burial Chaos Warp Toxic Deluge Cyclonic Rift nor from sacrifice effect,
2) many of your indestructible sources seem weak or slow
I think that you should use protection like Lightning Greaves and Mother of Runes for spot removal and Rootborn Defenses for mass removal if you really want to, but the best defense against removal is to have a deck that can actually recover using cards from your hand.
Then I see that you have a strong lifegain sub theme. Now, some things are efficient and mono white classics, like Soul Warden and Soul's Attendant, but you don't really want to have Healer of the Pride occupying a precious 4cmc slot orNoble Purpose in a 5cmc slot. Also, Anointer Priest is garbage because costs twice a soul sister but triggers only on your stuff and only on tokens, too situational.
Devout Invocation and Nomads' Assembly are bad too, both cost a lot of mana and require you to be already winning but don't do anything if you are behind, I'd cut them for Decree of Justice Secure the Wastes Increasing Devotion
Finally, classic anthems are bad. Very bad. Hall of Triumph Intangible Virtue Glorious Anthem Honor of the Pure Phantom General these things are just trash. You need like AT LEAST 4 of these effects to have an army that can destroy the opponents and win the game. If you draw just a couple of them its just not enough and they are dead cards, if you draw too many there is a good chance that you didn't draw enough token generators and you have no soldiers.
I think that the good approach is to go directly from 1/1s to 20/20s. You do this by using exponential pumping, like Coat of Arms Mirror Entity Jazal Goldmane and things like that. The benefits are that when you are ready you win out of nowhere and nobody sees you as a threat until then and also you don't use tons of card slots for minimal pumping. But, more importantly, dropping the +1/+1 effects opens you the option of using Skullclamp. The card is just bonkers and, ifyou can fuel it, you just win the game, assuming none destroys it on the spot. You also run Steelshaper's Gift, Enlightened Tutor and Open the Armory to find Skullclamp so that you virtually have 4 copies in the deck.
Ah, cut Caged Sun for Extraplanar Lens, its the only mana doubler worth considering in my experience, the other ones just die the turn you tap out to play them. And find room for Martial Coup that is both sweeper and token generator.
It may seem that I'm overly criticizing here, of course you can ignore some (if not all) of my advices if you are not convinced but I love Darien, I have played many of the bad things you are playing and eventually cut them out, just wish that someone told me these things so that I wouldn't have wasted time on bad cards. The cards may seem fun in theory but when you play and the deck doesn't work at all I guarantee that you feel only frustration and no fun.
2 years ago
Yes, I want some of those - and Citadel would make a great addition - but don't have the resources to get many new cards for my decks at the moment :)
Tarnished Citadel is on my list along with City of Brass, Grand Coliseum and Nomad Stadium for lands, and Jade Monolith, Staff of Nin, Scepter of Empires and Torture Chamber for atifacts (Acorn Catapult already being in the deck). I also had Rod of Ruin in here until recently, but started to attend EDH tournaments and felt it was suboptimal :)
Oh, and there's the odd Witch Hunter, too.
(Ancient Tomb is totally beyond my budget...)
If you have any other propositions, please share them :)
2 years ago
Add Healer of the Pride and Soul's Attendant for more Soul Warden type effects. For land, consider adding City of Brass, Tarnished Citadel, and Ancient Tomb. You could also play Nomad Stadium and Grand Coliseum. When you have life gain creatures in play while using these you basically get free soldiers, and you don't need to rely on your opponent to attack you to generate soldiers. For self damage you could also try playing Torture Chamber.
If you want to focus a lot on life gain, definitely run Archangel of Thune. To tutor your equipment run Steelshaper's Gift, and maybe consider running Lightning Greaves, Swiftfoot Boots, and Darksteel Plate to protect your commander. Bastion Protector could also help protect Darien.
The deck is looking pretty good though. I'll have to make some changes to my deck :)