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Grand Coliseum enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add to your mana pool.
: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Grand Coliseum deals 1 damage to you.
Grand Coliseum Discussion
1 month ago
Ok, so what I'm assuming the central strategy is to play big spells and get those sweet, sweet Vial Smasher triggers. I have about a dozen small changes that are broken up into a few categories.
- Firstly, the mana curve seems really high. Also, there are several spells which will cost even more. Maybe try to reduce that
- Aether Hub is, in my opinion, a worse version of Grand Coliseum , so I would swap those
- There are also no shocks. I would swap the temples for those and maybe Aether Hub if you don't like Grand Coliseum .
- To call back to previous conversation, use Harvest Season . It is better on the curve than Cultivate
- Lastly, I feel like ramp spells that both fix and ramp are extra helpful here. I'd add Farseek , Nature's Lore , Tithe , and Gift of Estates as they can pull Canopy Vista -esque lands and shocks
Since I think you're going for a Vial Smasher synergy, there are a couple of things that might be helpful.
- Strionic Resonator would get you a double trigger off of a big spell
- I feel like Vial Smasher is sure to be a target. He could use some protection (more than just Mother ).
Lastly, everything else.
- There are no board wipes in the best colors are them. I'm a big fan of Winds of Abandon as a closing board wipe, but there are so many good ones in black and white.
- There is also rather little card draw. There are also some good black card-draw spells, like Read the Bones .
- There are a couple of odd ball cards like Bitterblossom that just don't make sense to me to have in there.
- Lastly, a couple of last resort recovery cards like Elixir of Immortality would be helpful in the event that your big stuff gets countered or removed.
2 months ago
What are composite prinnies?
My folders aren't very organised. [Not My Commander] is my only folder where I include other people's decks, and literally only just started doing that a few days ago. Yours is the second one I've added, so I don't really have any context for it yet. Rest assured I like the idea of your deck a lot.
Yeah, no love lost for the Worldgorger Dragon here either. It needs more than decent support in the form of reanimation and countermagic, and if your deck isn't all about that then it's not necessarily a great fit. I just mentioned it because it's an interesting card that cares about exiled stuff. I won't be offended in the least if you don't adopt a suggestion of mine, in case you're concerned about that. It's your deck, dude. I'm just here to help.
Lion's Eye Diamond is crazy expensive, money-wise. For that reason, I personally don't think it's ever worth running unless you're building at least a somewhat competitive deck, unless you just happen to have one handy. On the other hand, if you do only play casually with friends then they probably won't mind if you run a tournament-illegal version of Yawgmoth's Will – there are gold-bordered signed collector's versions available for significantly less than the regular cost (with Yawgmoth's Will on magiccardmarket ATM, it's €7.00 as opposed to the official card that's €23.95). They don't have a standard MtG back on them though, so you'll need to be using sleeves to use them.
So, Doomsday . If you don't like it, then don't run it. But as I understand it, a lot of those packages run 3-4 draw spells, Laboratory Maniac , and maybe some countermagic support. Considering this is what's in your deck ATM, I'll run with that. It's another all-in strategy and once again; if your Lab Maniac gets countered or killed before you draw the card, it pretty much means that you lose. I know a lot of people run Gitaxian Probe and other super-cheap draw spells in this package, the idea being to cast them all in the one turn and then win. If you want to stick with the Flashback theme, there's Faithless Looting and Scour All Possibilities and Echo of Eons which you already run, and then there's Deep Analysis and Think Twice . None of these is particularly expensive money-wise. Also, I know this is exactly the opposite of what you're looking for, but if Doomsday is to be a legit wincon for this deck then you might want to reconsider cutting Mirror of Fate . It's rarely an amazing card, but in this deck if things are going well, basically stands to serve as a second Doomsday, which is exactly what every Doomsday deck wants.
As for the landbase, how exactly did you want to revise it? There are a lot of interesting things to be done with lands, but I've usually just forgone those when it comes to 4+ colour mana bases (particularly if budget means running slow fetch lands like Bad River as opposed to Polluted Delta ). Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is good in any deck that uses black. I know you're not running any other Slivers, but Path of Ancestry is still a decent land in 5-colour decks that aren't high-end competitive - just read it as a Command Tower that enters tapped, which is still pretty great in non-competitive EDH. If you are okay with a couple of a taplands, Grand Coliseum is also great. On the other end, Tarnished Citadel is good for mana right now if you need it.
Now, for some suggestions on Flashback and other cards to cut.
I think you have just a couple too many recursion effects for instant and sorcery spells. Cards like Pull from the Deep are pretty decent because they get you two-for-one, as in you spend one card to gain access to two.
Conversely, something like Recoup probably isn't so good - it only gives you access to one card when you cast it, and you need to have the mana available to cast it that same turn. It's not an awful card, it has Flashback which both gives it more utility than for which I'm giving it credit and also fits this deck's theme. But you have an above-average amount of recursion spells and if you are actively looking for something to cut, this'd be something I'd recommend.
I think Sins of the Past is a decent card, but not great unless you have a number of really great bombs in your deck. If you don't have a fair number of high-cost, high-impact spells to target with it, it becomes an expensive 1-for-1. Similarly, Mystic Retrieval can be good when things are going your way and it sort of fits the theme, but in the early- to mid-game it can really suck to be left with only this card in your hand. When making cuts, you'll generally want to cut the cards that, at some points of the game, do straight-up nothing. Unfortunately, Mystic Retrieval kinda fits the bill here.
All Suns' Dawn is a great recursion spell, but less good when you lean away from a few colours. Considering you already have a number of other great spells in your deck, I don't know about this one in this scenario. I think basically, you'll want a few low-end and a few high-end recursion spells.
Some cards I would cut when push comes to shove —
Saljen on Sliver EDH
3 months ago
That's waaaaaay too many lands. 37 is a good number for slivers. If you're worried about hitting your colors and need your lands to fit a budget, here's some lands you can check out. The Vivid land cycle ( Vivid Marsh ), the Tri-colored land cycle ( Seaside Citadel ), 1 of each basic land + Evolving Wilds / Terramorphic Expanse / Prismatic Vista , and then a smothering of budget 5 color lands like: Grand Coliseum , Rupture Spire , Unknown Shores , etc.
I also play a Sliver deck. It's a budget list, but the budget is really only spared in the land base. I run all of the above mentioned lands and have zero problems hitting all 5 colors. Here's my list if you're interested.
Lands aside, here's some other Sliver staples that you're missing that might be worth looking at in the future. Sliver Overlord , Sliver Legion and the upcoming The First Sliver should be auto-includes if you can afford them. On that same note, Morophon, the Boundless is stupid good with Slivers and can let you play your commander for free from the Command zone, as well as reduce the cost of every sliver in your deck to just colorless or free. Cyclonic Rift is a staple in any EDH deck that runs blue, it would definitely slot nicely into this deck. Paradox Engine and Intruder Alarm create an infinite combo with Sliver Overlord that lets you search out and play every single Sliver card in your library. The 'Domri' planeswalkers are very good with Slivers ( Domri Rade , Domri, Chaos Bringer , Domri, Anarch of Bolas ). They each give repeatable draw, ramp, and removal. Vanquisher's Banner is another solid piece that pumps and draws. Smothering Tithe works really well with Slivers, as it fixes your mana and ramps and next to nobody actually pays that extra 2 mana. Cryptolith Rite is another Manaweft Sliver / Gemhide Sliver , definitely worth running the extra effect. Birds of Paradise really helps with fixing, especially if you land it on turn 1.
As far as your Slivers, I'd say that you could definitely clean up the creatures in that list a bit. Most Slivers are pretty dirt cheap cost wise, so it wouldn't cost much to analyze and trim down that list to use only the best Sliver for each effect. I've put a whole lot of effort into making sure that my creatures are as optimized as possible, so feel free to use my deck list for a reference in that endeavor.
Anyways, from one Sliver player to another; enjoy losing all your friends!!
3 months ago
I went and I tried playing ten starting hands with this deck, no mulligans:
g1) 2 lands (no green mana), no ramp until turn 3 drawing a signet, no green mana (which is most the ramp) until turn 10
g2) got land, but only counterspells and buried alive in hand. So I couldn't really cast Tasigur to dig until turn 4- felt bad
g4) no black mana until turn 5, hand full of black cards
g7) No lands until turn 4, happens
g8) Isochron Scepter in hand, but nothing good to use it with, played lands until could cast tasigur turn 5
g9) Got two lands, mana conflux and Reliquary Tower . Drawing nahal felt super band turn 3. Turn 4 got a third land, and windfall felt like my best option
So, I found generally speaking, this deck gets Isochron Scepter and wins with it. All other routes feel really bad. I didn't really enjoy the entomb or buried alive options either, but maybe I was missing a combo somewhere. I also I felt like I had abnormal mana issues in this deck- mostly with getting green mana. This might not be a real issue but worth looking at. Reliquary Tower felt very bad. 19 of 34 lands can produce green mana. I'm not sure on the mathematical breakdown in reality but I generally like 24 lands to be able to produce color of each the mana I need- I think you might stay within budget or proxy limitations though so not having all the dual lands and all the fetch lands feels weird. Spire of Industry , Tarnished Citadel , Grand Coliseum and Chromatic Lantern might be odd includes to keep the budget line as well.
Remove every creature that costs 4 or more that doesn't win you the game immediately.
replace with creatures that fetch win \cons
- Rune-Scarred Demon
- Sheoldred, Whispering One
- It That Betrays maybe? A turn 1 it that betrays feels super good to me. Not sure about the math though.
I don't think the deck needs Training Grounds - typically any time it would matter I already have infinite mana. Maybe add in Exhume - sounds weird I know but would have helped reanimating felt smooth, and maybe would help me feeling like we should keep the Consecrated Sphinx .
3 months ago
I also have a budget Sliver decklist (haven't actually made it) and I invite you to check it out for ideas. I highly recommend using my landbase (except for the Ancient Ziggurat perhaps--easily replaceable and it was only $2 when I made the decklist years ago). Using all 10 tri-lands, Command Tower , Exotic Orchard , Grand Coliseum , and Sliver Hive is highly recommended on a budget. The emphasis on colorless ramp makes the huge amount of basics in the BudgetMTGDecks version workable but it's pretty bad. I greatly prefer a slight green slant and using land ramp--much harder to disrupt.
Sliver Overlord is technically a better commander than Sliver Hivelord but all three of the "big three" Sliver lords make good commanders Sliver Queen being the third). There is definitely something convenient about mass indestructibility. Sliver Legion isn't a good commander but great in the 99.
3 months ago
Venara828 I appreciate the feedback, and while I really do enjoy the idea of flooding the field with Angels via Divine Visitation and Angelic Accord or others like them, I'm trying to keep it as synergistic as possible through the Soldier type. As for my reasoning behind Grand Coliseum , Nomad Stadium , and Tarnished Citadel ; if I have enough mana out to also have my commander out, then provided they don't simply take him out or make me lose health aside from dealing damage, the danger of creating 1/1 soldier tokens for the amount of damage dealt to me added to the fairly decent chance of those tokens gaining counters nearly immediately upon entering the battlefield creates a bit of deterrent. Hence, aside from a couple other cards that bring tokens out, I may need to deal damage to myself a couple times to build up some token creatures.
Mind if I ask for your thoughts on this?
4 months ago
Although, I am wondering how your mana base is working out? It looks like you don't have much color fixing, especially for a three-color deck. As for budget options, the "Vivid" lands, like Vivid Crag , are pretty good. Mirrodin's Core is a personal favorite. Grand Coliseum is an option. And no Evolving Wilds / Terramorphic Expanse ?
And what role are you filling with Zuran Orb ? It seems a little out of place.
4 months ago
Grand Coliseum occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%