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Creature — Vampire
Madness (If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast if for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
Incorrigible Youths Discussion
1 month ago
Alright, let's get down to it! Anje Falkenrath is relatively new and I'm not yet sold on her validity as a vampire commander. My primary hang up is the overall weakness of madness as a mechanic. It is still critically underrepresented on cards, and of those that do exist only a handful are actually any good. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that I am skeptical that it can compete with existing vampire archetypes.
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I try and avoid tap lands at all costs if possible. When running a low-to-the-ground deck like this, the loss of tempo from a tap land can be more damaging than the loss of color availability. In addition, I would discourage the use of artifact lands unless you are going for a specific artifact theme. This is simply because artifact lands are easier to destroy than regular lands and aren't worth the risk with literally no benefit in this particular list.
- Ancient Ziggurat
- Blood Crypt
- Bloodstained Mire
- Graven Cairns
- Luxury Suite
- Path of Ancestry
- Unclaimed Territory
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
I feel that any of these lands would be strong adds to your list. While some of the cards are a bit on the pricey side, I do feel they would improve the flow and power level of the deck.
- Bloodcrazed Neonate
- Bloodhall Priest
- Bloodsworn Steward
- Erdwal Ripper
- Falkenrath Reaver
- Heir of Falkenrath Flip
- Incorrigible Youths
- Markov Crusader
- Stromkirk Mentor
Many of these creatures are either too costly or too under-powered for this format. It is important to remember that in EDH, efficiency is key. I would discourage playing any creature that falls short of the formula (Power+Toughness)/2=Converted Mana Cost (e.g. A 2/2 for two mana or better) unless it is especially crucial for your deck to function.
In addition impact is crucial. Bloodhall Priest for example is fairly costed, but doesn't do enough to advance your board state for the cost.
- Champion of Dusk
- Cordial Vampire
- Dusk Legion Zealot
- Malakir Bloodwitch
- Stromkirk Occultist
- Twilight Prophet
- Vicious Conquistador
These creatures are all what I would describe as impactful or highly efficient. When I mean impactful, cards like Malakir Bloodwitch make a big splash when they hit and are still relevant after the fact due to their efficient bodies. In terms of efficiency, Vicious Conquistador can put in a lot of work in the early game as a cheap, go-wide card.
I don't have any good tips for adds here, but I would encourage you to look for modal or mass effect type cards for this category.
These all seem like good choices to me and many of them double as potential madness triggers essentially negating their downsides.
Basilisk Collar is a solid equipment, but this is neither a voltron nor combo build that can effectively utilize it. I like Eldrazi Monument for its power; however, you lack the ability to produce enough fodder to sustain it long-term. Finally, Rakdos Cluestone is simply outclassed by other mana rocks, most notably my suggestion Talisman of Indulgence .
Herald's Horn is just a good card in any tribal deck and I would highly recommend it!
My overall impression is that you've got a decent base here, but have made several choices that I see a lot of new EDH players make in their early decks. In general, you could use more card draw and I would encourage you to take a look at EDHREC or other vampire decks on here for inspiration in terms of what kinds of effects truly shine in EDH versus other formats.
6 months ago
Thank you for those options; I keep forgetting just how diverse you can get with Vampire strategies.
Try as I may I keep wanting to go back to Madness; I love the mechanic and people aren't usually expecting it. Plus, it's a built in defense against 8-Rack, aggressive card draws (I won a round in Legacy against a Howling Mine because of Madness) and other disruption.
Could the following list work?
2x Arid Mesa
2x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodghast (playing for 0cmc as discard)
2x Incorrigible Youths (playing for 3cmc madness)
I will work on the sideboard after I've nailed down the main board, which is hard because Vampires don't like being nailed to anything.
8 months ago
You might want to split this into two decks, as you seem to have lot of the makings for two archetypes here.
Looking at the Madness side of things, that deck generally wants to be absurdly aggro and pummel things down with its underpriced creatures, but you currently only have 4 reliable discard outlets, the 2 Stromkirk Condemned and 2 Furyblade Vampires, and that makes it hard reliably abuse the discount Madness cards give you. I'd greatly recommend adding more Furyblades and a playset of Heir of Falkenrath Flips for evasive outlets, and then either 2 more Stromkirk Condemned if your landbase can reliably support it as a 2 drop, or some Insolent Neonate s OR Olivia's Dragoon s otherwise, as both are also evasive outlets.
You may also consider a playset of Fiery Temper in place of Terminate , as the 3 damage takes care of most early drops and you can discard it to your outlets for an upside, not to mention chuck it at the opponent's head.
From my testing with the card, Olivia, Mobilized for War is extremely non-ideal for a Madness deck, as you will only rarely have the mana to pay for both an initial creature drop AND the Madness cost of whatever you discard -- both the Stromkirk Captain you are running and Drana, Liberator of Malakir serve as better top end support cards for the deck.
Looking at Madness creatures, if you can reliably burn through your hand fast enough the Bloodhall Priest effectively becomes a 4/4 Shock on a stick for 3 mana, which is amazingly efficient, while the Incorrigible Youths make for devastating turn 3 swings. I won't say they are necessarily better than the Occultist/Asylum/Bloodmad, but only because they are easier to cast on curve if you miss a discard outlet.
For the other deck it looks like you have the pieces for here, I'd recommend dropping the discard/madness theme and focusing on the White/Black tokens from Ixalan instead -- anthem effects are extremely powerful with those tokens, especially since their large numbers quickly enable the Bloodline Keeper and Captivating Vampire. That deck also still likes Drana, Liberator of Malakir , as she puts her counters on the tokens before they hit due to first-strike, and opens up the Indulgent Aristocrat as a highly effective 1 drop. Vampire Nocturnus also synergizes a lot more with that deck, since more of the drops are black, while the Madness deck tends to run red with a splash of black.
9 months ago
Padbras Well since your going for a more aggro approach, I would cut out the Call the Bloodline since it can be slow and is better suited for a tokens approach. I have a deck similar to this and was never able to make Avacyn's Judgment work since it requires quite a bit of mana to really be effective, so I would cut those as well. Not sure how good Incorrigible Youths, Olivia's Bloodsworn and Furyblade Vampire have been for you, but you might look at cutting some of them.
You should really think about adding a 4th Falkenrath Gorger as well, since giving all your vampires Madness is something you want to do every game. Being able to string Falkenrath Gorger into Stromkirk Condemned and Madnessing in Stromkirk Captain on turn three while attacking for 8 First Strike damage can really put you ahead and possibly set you up for a turn 4 win.
Also Unclaimed Territory is a relatively cheap way to fix your mana base.
1 year ago
Hey guys I'm new to the forum and returning to Magic from a long break. The last set that came out before I gave it up was the Urzas set.
Anyways, out of boredom I started playing magic duels on my Xbox and then reconnected with some of my old friends who still play magic. I'd like to get a paper version of the my favorite deck from duels but am so out of touch with the game I'm not even sure what's out there. The format is pretty casual, but from what I can tell most of the decks my friends use would likely fall into modern format, but there are also some really old cards too, so im pretty flexible as far as sets I can use. Lastly I'd like to keep this fairly budget, I like the game but am not sure I'm ready to sink real money into it yet... and yes I realize that means the the liliana in the deck list has to come out.
The main thing I like about this deck is the interaction between the ruthless snipers, the various discard enablers and the madness mechanic. So I'm hoping you all could make some suggestions to take further advantage of that. I realize some cards in there aren't great but they're what i have available on the video game.
2 Cryptbreaker, 3 Ruthless Sniper, 2 Sanitarium Skeleton, 2 Lightning Axe, 3 Furyblade Vampire, 2 Call the Bloodline, 2 Macabre Waltz, 1 avacyn's judgement, 2 Distemper of the Blood, 3 Bloodmad Vampire, 1 Olivia, Mobilized for War, 4 firey temper , 1 Liliana, the Last Hope, 1 Avaricious Dragon, 2 Bloodhall Priest, 2 Merciless Javelineer, 1 Biting Rain, 1 Cut / Ribbons, 2 Horror of the Broken Lands, 1 Incorrigible Youth,
1 year ago
I see that you swaped and have 60 cards, what did you change? If you took out 2 Incorrigible Youths but liked it, then why not take one in and cut 1 Cryptbreaker?But the best thing would be if you try it out what you like more or what works better for you.
1 year ago
O my. I had no idea about Sarkhan the Mad hes replacing Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded definitly ej133 thank you! For Archfiend of Ifnir what should i take out? its a great card but i like the Incorrigible Youths. Maybe take 2 Cryptbreaker and put 2 Archfiend of Ifnir?? Falconone
2 years ago
The effort to keep this Standard worthy is on. Half the deck rotated, so we can no longer utilize madness. Still keeping on the Fast and Furious theme (maybe I should change the name and add vehicles, lol). In all seriousness though, need some help figuring out where to go with it.
All other rotated cards still need similar replacements. As always, thanks for your continued interest and support.
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