Sweltering Suns deals 3 damage to each creature.
Cycling 3 (3, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Sweltering Suns occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.04%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.0%
Sweltering Suns Discussion
2 weeks ago
Anger of the Gods is a good card against mono b Aggro, but will be a problem with the miner, because it can’t be recurred with ojutais command. Maybe one in the sideboard instead of Aligned Hedron Network and one Sweltering Suns in the main deck, because cycling is also nice in case it is a dead card
1 month ago
I'll cede the Nevermore point to you, the commander does indeed slip through it and yes I also know the card isn't played. The larger overall point though is that at any table you only have control over 100 of the 400 cards that see play and being vulnerable to a single card that shuts down your entire strategy is a liability. Especially when you play paper, people don't have 100% powered lists and often substitute hoser or situational cards. Regardless, the deck is still 100% dependent on the commander sticking on the table, and its practically your only source of card advantage. Any deck that handles the commander easily is going to shit all over your pile of 99. Replace Nevermore with Lignify or Kenrith's Transformation or Darksteel Mutation or Song of the Dryads or Imprisoned in the Moon and you have the exact same problem, your deck is shut off when your commander is handled. Rather than engage the actual logic of what I'm saying, you and your buddies are getting caught up on specific cards instead of overall types of interaction.
This deck crumples if it can't get commander triggers. That is the point I've been making. Stop misconstruing it.
You'll notice how when I talked about alternate costs, I even said you don't cast it for the regular CMC normally. I did say that in some situations, especially in grindier games, you may find yourself in a position where you end up casting the actual CMC of cards like Force of Negation as you don't wish to -1 card advantage your hand and you're packing the mana. Once again, why do you ask me if I'm reading your primer when you aren't reading my replies?
Yeah its neat that misdirection handles spells, I never said it didn't. I said it doesn't handle the 3 most important spells resolving in the format right now. I am well aware how it interacts with uncounterable cards. Once again, are you reading what I'm writing? Losing a permanent to Abrupt Decay sucks but losing the game to Tainted Pact is 100% worse. This is extremely easy comparative logic for anyone who is trying to win games.
I never spoke badly about Dark Ritual except to note its a consumable piece of mana, and doesn't help you in creating turn loops. I have no problem with its inclusion.
You must be seriously new if you don't understand that when I say Pyroclasm and variants, I'm talking about cards besides simply Pyroclasm. Every time I've mentioned it I've talked about pyroclasm effects, I'm talking about Anger of the Gods Earthquake Toxic Deluge Rolling Earthquake Fiery Confluence Sweltering Suns Fire Covenant Sudden Demise and Subterranean Tremors. There are also all kinds of "Destroy all creatures" effects that I didn't list. Yes, I am highly aware that 2 damage from pyroclasm doesn't kill Yuriko, but it sets back your board state, and all the other pyroclasm VARIANTS do kill Yuriko. This strategy is also seen in decks like Ruric Thar or Keranos. Its more usually seen in tier 2 decks that are able to engage the meta due to how creature heavy the current meta is. Being proud for playing cedh but only playing against 6 different decks doesn't really give you a huge representation of the viable decks in the format. It means you're still new. Yes its good to be aware of the tier 1 decks and the commonly played decks, but if you're running into more fringe decks that are able to leverage these kinds of cards against you, your deck is going to lose in more places than it should. Especially since many tier 1 partner decks are able to utilize these creature blow out cards with things specifically like Sudden Demise.
This leads into Xantcha being a competitive deck. It is 100% a competitive deck, there are decks besides Flash Hulk you need to be aware of. Especially in the current creature heavy meta, continuously blowing out the board turns your Pyroclasm effects into 3-for-1 or 4-for-1 trades to keep ahead of Blue and Green decks. It isn't a tier 1 deck, but if you play cedh you'll run into this deck or another deck that trades specifically on big creature hate. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/xantcha-combo-control/
Similarly, you'll run into a planeswalker commander like Animatou that is able to run big creature hate effects like Humility that once again, completely blow this deck apart.
I am not friends with SolelySelesnya and I don't know him personally or online. I just find these lists haven't explored new territory with Yuriko.
You guys can spend all day saying I'm rude until you're blue in the face, but I made a simple comment on both lists asking why they didn't run a specific card. Rather than respond, or tag me, or answer me, they deleted the comment and wrote a note about it that I received no notification for, and had to dig to find. Me posting on their lists is not passive aggressive, not being able to even respond to a comment and deleting it is passive aggressive. Also why complain about my tone when you use the same post to engage in the exact behavior you're so mad about? If you had just taken 3 minutes to respond giving your very basic reasoning for card justification instead of deleting comments, we could have had this conversation without you getting upset.
Now to respond to Rad Dummy specifically
If you don't think pyroclasm is cedh playable you need to reevaluate. Look at the proliferation of green due to the 7 mana different turn 1 mana dorks available to the color. Players keep 2 land hands because it includes a Llanowar Elves. Look at the amount of hatebear strategies that are significantly chipped away at from Pyroclasm and variants. Look at value enablers like Edric, Spymaster of Trest or even just Dark Confidant that are blown out by Pyroclasm. For real, the card definitely sees play. Board wipes ARE relevant for Yuriko because without a creature on the board you must cast then pass, not getting the immediate card advantage trigger. You also lose further card advantage from not being able to land other ninjas on players too for additional triggers. Your inability to see this makes me think little of your critical faculties.
Diving Top is indeed a grindier card, but you're missing the point I've been making the entire time. Your ONLY pile cracker outside of your commander is Brainstorm or Thought Scour. When your commander isn't available, your DD is a dead card in hand. Rather than respond to this point, you keep sidetracking about how its too much mana investment or only good for grindier games. Not every game is going to curve perfectly into a turn 4 or 5 win. Running DD and only running a pilecracker via your commander is short sighted. Rather than respond to that point, you keep sidetracking. Have you considered that maybe Doomsday isn't the exact same strategy as the rest of the Yuriko deck? Maybe by choosing to slot DD, you have to include build around cards to help find it and resolve it smoothly?
Its neat that you're getting real upset and want to patronize me about math. I only talked explicitly about mana costs, and didn't misspeak. The ability to start the time warp with 5 mana and take the extra turn into the land drop for the 6 mana for the loop is neat and should be included in the primer for the combo, but the combo has far bigger problems. You also never responded to my point about assuredly getting to 6 mana reliably with 29 lands and 4 pieces of ramp, only 3 of which can execute the loop. You're assuming a lot of Yuriko triggers that are not guaranteed. Once again, the back up combo still relies heavily on getting Yuriko triggers. It isn't helping you in match ups where Yuriko struggles.
- Breezecaller is a creature and can be removed by LITERALLY any color at any point to disrupt the combo
- Mystic requires 3 other islands in play, meaning you absolutely 100% cannot start the combo before turn 4 at the earliest
- Mystic requiring 3 other islands means you are vulnerable to Strip Mine or Wasteland or MLD while setting up
- Mystic returning from GY means literally any piece of targeted grave hate stops this combo. Any deck can run Tormod's Crypt, while many opt for more efficient pieces of GY removal or GY hate
- Time Warp requires a cast every time and can be disrupted. It can also be Misdirection'd lol
- Extra turn hate is present in some decks especially in the form of Stranglehold.
The combo is basically hoping everyone is tapped out or has 0 instants in their hands. While it may be slot efficient with other things that you wish to run, it is by no means efficient or fast overall.
I know you're trying to carve out a name for yourself, but you are clearly inexperienced. Playing against 6 decks that are copies of Shaper lists doesn't encompass the entirety of the competitive scene. Both this deck and your own list are extremely vulnerable to a handful of cards and a couple overarching strategies. Rather than engage critically and employ your big boy thinking pants, you would rather split hairs over "Xantcha could NEVER be competitive viable" or "Go watch casual YT video". My point stands. Rather than engage with honest critique, your ego is much too fragile to imagine that maybe the list you made has problems and isn't perfect. @ me if you wish to continue further discussing these points, otherwise lets save both of us any future headaches and leave this be.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Here are a few suggestions that might help: Bloodmad Vampire < Waste Not, Incorrigible Youths < Solemn Simulacrum, Twins of Maurer Estate < Azra Oddsmaker, Violent Eruption < Sweltering Suns, Fiery Temper < Rakdos Signet , Senseless Rage < Underworld Breach, Distemper of the Blood < Sol Ring, Call to the Netherworld < Animate Dead, Alchemist's Greeting < Blasphemous Act
Only other thoughts are ramp/fixing/wraths may be low.
1 month ago
Suggestions: Buffing green, ramp payoffs, some boardwipes and tokens. -Nylea's Forerunner, +Polukranos, World Eater // -Renata, Called to the Hunt, +Witchstalker // -Tishana's Wayfinder, +Prowling Serpopard // -Vigorspore Wurm, +Gaea's Revenge // -Vorstclaw, +Genesis Hydra // -Hurricane, +Elvish Mystic // -Khalni Heart Expedition, +Utopia Sprawl // -Aerial Assault, +Banishing Light // -Wild Griffin, +Cleansing Nova // -Light of the Legion, +Raise the Alarm // -Cloud Crusader, +Midnight Haunting // -Frilled Mystic, +Hydroid Krasis // -Conclave Cavalier, +Camaraderie // -Sumala Woodshaper, +March of the Multitudes // -Worldsoul Colossus, +Selesnya Charm // -Samut's Sprint, +Sweltering Suns // Lockets out, signets in.
2 months ago
I think Sweltering Suns would be better, then, since you can cycle it in dead matchups.
3 months ago
For the SB, I've been sticking to (lately, at least) 4 counters, 4 burn spells, 4 planeswalkers, and 3 "other" slots. This covers Combo, Aggro, and Control. The "others" are meta dependent, but for me it has been another Crackling Drake for when an X/4 flying battering ram would only be better with another copy to cast, and then a choice between Abrade , Fry , or Aether Gust .
My counters, burn, and planeswalkers:
Both Chandras you've listed, little Saheeli, and no-draw Narset
As for Anger of the Gods vs. Sweltering Suns , while it is a non-bo with Phoenix, Anger's exile effect is too good to pass up. I do, however, like the cycling ability on Suns, and its ability to chain into Phoenix recursion if you need to sweep your own side at the same time. I would say it's meta dependent, as well. If U/W control is very popular where you play, bring Anger of the Gods , because resilient threats will be the anti-meta cards you need to worry about, with creatures from Black Aggro, Dredgeless Dredge, and Hardened Scales needing to be exiled as opposed to killed. Against a more aggro-dense meta, Suns might be better for the card filtering.
3 months ago
thinkoriginal, first of all, thank you a lot for sharing your thoughts on the list!
I see your point on Finale of Promise , but I'm still assessing if it's clunky enough to cut it. I think that with the right timing it's okay and it is easy for the deck to fill the graveyard so for the moment I won't invest on another Brazen Borrower .
Apart from that, I'm also keen on Fiery Temper , and I don't understand why the trend lately is to cut it, as you said, it's Chart a Course and Lightning Axe 's best friend (but at the same time I find it hard to make room for it in the list :s ). The spell I'm the less convinced of is Strategic Planning although it gets you a card, it can toss Phoenixes to the graveyard, and fuels delve... so I'm definitely trying that 3-1 split you commented.
Finally, when it comes to the sb I have to admit that it's been a mess, since every list I've seen so far has been different from the others. So what I'd like to know are the proportions of the different answers that I should carry (this many counters, this much removal...), and then I'll chose the options with which I feel the most confident... I hope i'm explaining myself.
Hahaha yeah I know Anger of the Gods is bonkers... the question here is: is it better than Sweltering Suns ? 'cause they do basically the same except that this one is more flexible and it plays better with Arclight Phoenix ... unless exiling opponent's creatures is worth the nombo.