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Sweltering Suns deals 3 damage to each creature.
Cycling 3 (3, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
Sweltering Suns Discussion
2 weeks ago
1 month ago
1 month ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help. Welcome to TappedOut :)
This is very low budget deck, less than $30, therefore all my card suggestions will be $1 or less. There's several budget cards that can replace current cards here. I'll first list all card suggestions for you to consider and then explain.
Cards to consider adding:
For your overall deck:
- Command Tower
- Haven of the Spirit Dragon
- Game Trail
- Dragon Tempest
- Dragon's Hoard
- Talisman of Impulse
- Prismatic Lens
- Mind Stone
- Dragonlord's Servant
- Lathliss, Dragon Queen
- Scourge of Valkas
- Sarkhan's Triumph
- Signal the Clans
- Fierce Empath
- Kodama's Reach
- Elemental Bond
- Creeping Renaissance
For against Goblins:
- Circle of Flame
- AEther Flash
- Sweltering Suns
- Mizzium Mortars
The card suggestions for your overall deck are cards that can help in all matchups not just against your Goblin opponent. Command Tower and Haven of the Spirit Dragon are Rainbow lands they can make mana of any color (red or green) to cast Dragons. Tower is one of the best lands for multicolor decks in all of Commander. Mana it makes can be used to cast any spell.
Dragon Tempest and Dragon's Hoard are excellent Dragon tribal cards. Tempest giving haste to Dragons as well as a source of damage to a target opponent or creature whenever a Dragon comes into play is very strong. Haste with big powerful Dragons makes them much more threatening to your opponents especially when they get double strike from Atarka. Hoard is a Rainbow mana rock, it can make any color of mana to cast any spell. This is great and another reason it's good is it can be a source of repeatable draw because of Dragons. You put a counter on it when a Dragon ETB (enters the battlefield); can then remove a counter to draw a card.
Talisman of Impulse , Prismatic Lens and Mind Stone are two drop mana rocks. Early game mana rocks and land ramp spells ( Cultivate , Kodama's Reach , Nissa's Pilgrimage ) are cards you want with Dragons. You need early game plays and ramp is the best thing you can do since the faster you can play your big Dragons the more pressure you put on your opponents and the faster you can kill your opponents. Adding more ramp is a good way to beat your Goblin opponent because if you land a big Dragon faster than normal then Goblins will have a hard time dealing with it.
Lathliss, Dragon Queen and Scourge of Valkas are two very good budget Dragons because they give you more value when you play more Dragons, they are also excellent when both are on the battlefield. Lathliss creates Dragon tokens and Scourge does damage to target opponent or creature whenever a Dragon ETB. When a Dragon token is created this means it ETB. The token will trigger abilities of cards like Scourge, Tempest, Hoard, Elemental Bond , etc. Glorybringer is a powerful five drop budget Dragon who can be a repeatable single source of 4 damage to target nonDragon creatures. He's a repeatable way to kill Krenko.
Sarkhan's Triumph and Signal the Clans are budget instant creature tutors to search your library for a specific Dragon such as Lathliss or Steel Hellkite and it put into your hand. Harmonize is good draw for four mana and Elemental Bond can be repeatable draw when Dragons ETB. Magmaquake is an instant creature board wipe that doesn't hurt your Dragons, best of all it can kill all Planeswalkers if you put enough mana into it.
Against your Goblin opponent you want repeatable damage effects. Circle of Flame and AEther Flash do this; Circle prevents your opponent from attacking with 1/1 creatures because any 1/1 creature who attacks will die. Flash does 2 damage to each creature including your own creatures when they ETB. Doing 2 damage to Dragons doesn't kill them, but doing 2 damage to every Goblin that ETB can prevent your opponent from even playing Goblins.
The number one target to kill against Goblins is the Commander Krenko, Mob Boss because his ability can keep making Goblin tokens and this can get out of hand pretty fast. When Krenko dies he goes to the Command Zone, but this can delay your opponent long enough for you to stabilize with a Dragon or two. Incinerate and Mizzium Mortars ; you want a few more low mana cost targeted removal spells that can do 3 or more damage just to be able to kill Krenko. Mortars is unique because for six mana it can instead do 4 damage to just all your opponents creatures.
Early game board wipes are also good against Goblins. Pyroclasm , Sweltering Suns and Slagstorm are budget board wipes that can be cast turn two, three or four which can cripple your Goblin opponent. Sweltering and Slagstorm do 3 damage to all creatures this means they will more times than not kill Krenko since he has 3 toughness, but your Dragons will be fine since most have more than 3 toughness.
If you like some of these card suggestions I can help you to make cuts.
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
Hey, I really like the deck, Delver is just too cool of card to not to play him :)
Maybe some things for your sideboard: First, i would cut Grafdigger's Cage . I don't see the point in playing it, as it hurts your Snapcaster Mage . Those Snappies are just more important than the cage.
Furthermore: How do you deal with Rest in Peace ? Do you have a "Plan B"? All of the UW/Jeskai control decks run those in their sideboard. Even if you are able to remove the Rest in Peace , your deck has lost too much of its speed to compete those control decks. Just an idea: How about playing 4 Young Pyromancer in your sideboard, which you bring in instead of the Pteramander and/or the Bedlam Reveler ? I built a more aggressive style of Grixis Delver myself, and I just beat the sh** out of those control players on game 2, as they boarded in Rest in Peace , which did not bother me at all.
I think you neither want to play Pyroclasm or Sweltering Suns . If your are in the position where you have to play board removal which will hurt your own gameplan, you have already lost. Instead, focus on countering and protecting your creatures from threads: Consider bringing Ceremonious Rejection , maybe Surgical Extraction too. And cut the Stubborn Denial as it only works in certain conditions. A sideboard card should have impact on the game as soon as you draw it. You do not need another card you have to hold on for a couple turns to make it work correctly. I hope i could help you a bit, lovely deck, +1
2 months ago
NoOneOfConsequence I actually did playtest your deck once (I know, it isn't a great sample size by any means), yet many cards are an issue. I apologize, I really want to like a deck you post, just to not make this a dramafest, but I can't say a bad deck is good. Damnation and Wrath don't need to be put into the deck at all.
Here is a full list of cards that are particularly overpriced, and where each card I think is bad or could be better fits, if you truely believe that I can't evaluate it fairly:
Doomwake Giant - Interesting repeatable board wipe, a meta-dependent inclusion though, not good for the average cEDH meta, but does have a place in some lists. I'd drop, but could imagine many arguments for it's inclusion.
Ghostly Prison - anti-attacks, which just rarely comes into play outside of kiki-lines and the sort, a strange meta-dependent inclusion, but I coudl much less justify this one.
Karmic Justice - Cool card, but often enchantment removal comes in the form of bounce or exile, and so this effect feels very off.
Vindicate - 3 mana remove 1 thing is a lot of wasted mana, easy drop.
No Mercy - Really a lot of attack-hate, strange for a stax list with a commander that generates blockers. Easy drop at a 4 mana do nothing enchantment.
Knowledge Pool - I get the Eidolon of Rhetoric / Rule of Law combo with it, but many decks have better value engines than Daxos, or can respond by killing one of the pieces, or can kill Daxos. These make this combo rarely an easy way to finish the game, requiring a ton of setup/backup that survives the lock. I think better options exist.
Sigil of the Empty Throne - A slow, 5 mana do nothing enchantment, it takes forever to get this going, easy drop.
Sphere of Safety - This much creature-attack hate? How much do you need? 1 card is often too much with Daxos in the CZ, but you run... including sweepers... like 11? Wow. Your meta must be all Edric and Blood Pod, maybe 1 Kess Twin, nah, just all Edric decks.
Black Market - maybe in a meta with 50 Edric decks. Outside of that, easy drop.
Land Tax - should run the Geddon/Ravages package or leave this out.
Mesa Enchantress - Slow card draw on a weak creature is just removal bait, this deck has better cards for the slot. Harder drop.
Phyrexian Arena - A lot of math goes into why this card is generally pretty bad. Inefficient and weak in most circumstances, and needs almost 5 unimpeded turns to get enough value to be okay. Better cards for the slot.
Cabal Coffers - big mana, not worth it outside of ANS.
Vesuva - copying a land to enter tapped leaves you in a lack of mana. Weak card.
Command Beacon - easy drop, weak card.
Deserted Temple - Easy drop, weak card.
Strip Mine - Good card, not here.
Temple of Silence - scry is weak when you lose due to not having mana, easy drop
Kor Haven - Easy Drop, never gonna use that ability
Plains x4 - Not great at Fixing
New inclusions (Total drops are at 42)
Base inclusions: Fellwar Stone , Prismatic Lens , Thought Vessel , Everflowing Chalice , Caves of Koilos , Command Tower , City of Brass , Mana Confluence , Exotic Orchard , Cavern of Souls , Gemstone Caverns , Gemstone Mine , and Tarnished Citadel
Total real cards left to put in: 29
Thorn of Amethyst , Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Trinisphere , Tangle Wire , Sphere of Safety , Damping Sphere , Fragmentize , Aura of Silence , Dismember , Lotus Petal , Dark Ritual , Kataki, War's Wage , Crucible of Worlds , Bottomless Pit , Oppression , Liliana of the Veil , Static Orb , Linvala, Keeper of Silence , Ethersworn Canonist , Aven Mindcensor , Torpor Orb , Planar Void , Grafdigger's Cage , Ensnaring Bridge (just for your meta), Dark Confidant , Containment Priest , Chalice of the Void , Sanctum Prelate , Alms Collector
That would be the deck.
4 months ago
hkhssweiss I will add Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh eventually, I believe he is very powerful and deserves a spot in the deck. I will not be adding Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver as I feel he is not powerful enough for 8 mana.
I do like all of your ramp suggestions and will use them if I feel the deck needs more mana-fixing/ramp.
Sweltering Suns and Cower in Fear are too weak to be good in this deck. Sadistic Sacrament is so cruel and so awesome! That card can single handedly take out an opponents chances of winning so I will definitely throw that card in at some point. Countersquall is an auto-include as it’s an on flavour Negate. I removed Slave of Bolas because I felt it was too much mana for the results it produced. Crux of Fate is definitely strong and I will consider it. The only problem with the card is if I come up against a deck with a large amount of dragons. Blood Reckoning will almost never stop the token decks from killing me so I decide not to run it. Imp's Mischief while on flavour, can easily be replaced with a copy of Redirect so that I don’t lose life. Great suggestions!
4 months ago
I feel like you will need to add in all the Nicol Bolas planeswalkers in here. I am very particular to Nicol Bolas, God-Pharoah and should be included in here asap LOL!
Also Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver would be on point with theme as well, since we are in Grixis colors. We need all the mana acceleration ramp, cards like Dimir Signet, Rakdos Signet, Izzet Signet, Talisman of Dominance, and Talisman of Indulgence will help you in casting all the spells since Bolas loves doing things in style.
Hopefully that helps!
4 months ago
Nice deck! I love madness. If you don't mind, here are a few suggestions for improvements:
For a madness deck to be good, you shouldn't include cards just because they say madness. Even if the rate of the madness cost is good, remember that that cost is always plus a minimum of a mana (since you had to cast another card beforehand). The only situation in which you will get full value for your madness is off of Liliana, but at that point you could just be casting a better card. Take Fiery Temper for example. I think this is probably the most popular madness card, but also the most over rated. When it is good, it feels reeeallly good. But when it is bad, it is beyond bad. This deck looks to be focused on inevitability, in that your win conditions are big, hard to deal with, threats that WILL win the game if the op does nothing. So would you play Lightning Bolt in this deck? Do you need to burn their face? No. You have hazoret for that. So what is the point of bolt other than creature removal? I understand that it speeds up the game, but my point is, why make it harder to cast bolt by playing fiery temper if it isn't an integral card to the deck anyways? I feel the same way about Biting Rain vs Damnation or Anger of the Gods or Sweltering Suns.
Ok, I'm done saying negative things. Here is what I like about the deck and what I think you can increase. Discarding cards for value is a great feeling. So you should include cards that like to be discarded, other than just madness cards. Like: Bloodghast and Cut / Ribbons. The good thing about cards like these is they can stay in your graveyard and do not have demand immediate mana like the madness cards do. I am not saying you need to cut the madness from the deck, just be very specific with which madness cards you are keeping. Don't just think of them in their best case scenario, but also not in their worst case scenario, you've got to think about things in averages. "on average, how good is this card?" Cards like Faithless Looting, Collective Brutality, and Kolaghan's Command are all great examples of cards that are pretty good most of the time, and are therefore great includes!
Hopefully my ramblings help. Let me know if you have any questions, and if you like my suggestions: check out my podcast all about brewing decks at mtgcoldbrew.buzzsprout.com (we're also on itunes and spotify)
Sweltering Suns occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.04%
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All decks: 0.0%