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Whenever a creature you control is put into a graveyard from play, you may pay (1). If you do, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature card. Put that card into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.
5 months ago
Living Death is a classic gravepower card that can help you win the game in one or two turns. It fits in pretty well with what you're doing already.
Grim Discovery is similar to Aid the Fallen, and can help keeping up with the early and midgame curve. Hermit Druid also helps keep your hand stocked with land early game, and lets you throw a bunch of creatures/other cards into your grave.
Covenant of Minds is great draw power in a deck like this, and can be used politically as well. Foster can not only help your creatures replace themselves, it can throw some more cards into your graveyard on the way.
Genesis Wave is a fun way to throw a bunch of permanents on the board for free, and everything else into the graveyard. The nice thing is the effect isn't compulsory, so you can choose to throw a particular creature into the grave if you want.
Try Phyrexian Delver , too. It's a great two-for-one because the creature it brings back hits the battlefield immediately.
6 months ago
Wow, dude. You might be the very first person I've advised to remove lands from their deck. 42 is plenty, even for a big creature deck with Exploration and Burgeoning. Add in a little more early ramp in those spots. Sakura-Tribe Elder and Farseek come to mind. T
he other thing to keep in mind if you're new to commander is that 99-card singleton vs 60-card decks with 4 copies of staple cards behave very differently. You're only 50/50 to draw two creatures in the first 6 turns. Foster and Heirloom Blade might be good, in addition to a few more leviathans. Deep-Sea Kraken is a great early drop that should be out with haste by turn 5. Mesmerizing Benthid and Elder Deep-Fiend are octopi that can slow down opponents. Tromokratis is just a pain for any deck running utility creatures. Nimbus Swimmer can get hilariously large with your ramp package.
I think the counterspells that untap lands are clever, for sure. I might also consider Frantic Search for the same reason. If you really want to double down on the flash subtheme, then Leyline of Anticipation and/or Vedalken Orrery are good. Although, if you want to remove Simic Signet , as well, having very few artifacts or enchantments (that don't win on the spot, anyway), means that Bane of Progress and Wave of Vitriol are both pretty great.
Cyclonic Rift is just a straight-up staple, so make that a stretch card when you want to put more into the deck. As for tribal stuff, this might be a stretch on your budget, but Herald's Horn and Urza's Incubator are where it's at.
Bounty of the Luxa hasn't been all it was hyped up to be when it first came out. I'm not a fan of Foil , since the part of the game when you've got 4 mana but don't have extra untapped lands is pretty narrow.
Beyond that, I would check out the sea-creature tribal EDHREC page for Arixmethes. Looks like about 30 people have built decks under that theme, which is lower than I expected, although the decks from the main page might be built as such but not labeled. There's also a quirk of tribes with high CMC and low numbers tend to not meet the EDHREC critera for the site's algorithm automatically labelling it as a tribal deck.
7 months ago
Nice write-up! Probably took some good time to type it all down.
I did have to sort your deck on type instead of your custom types to make some sence of it though ;)
I’ve been working on a meren deck with a similar sacrifice idea for a couple of years now, though the plan is a bit different they here I do have some suggestions and tips based on my experience with the archetype.
There are probably some cards here that have been mentioned before or have been tested, so sorry for that.
sac outlets are the bread and butter of these types of deck. You always need one in play or the deck falls short (this is also one of the weak point that you can attack these decks on). Some sac outlets that I haven’t seen mentioned yet:
1) Evolutionary Leap . Except that it’s not a free sac outlet I think one of the best out there!
2) Spawning Pit . One of my favorites, create more tokens from sacing creatures and it’s free to activate. Also it can quite easily go infinite with Doubling Season
3) Attrition . It’s probably mentioned somewhere her and I probably looked over it because everyone knows this.
4) Altar of Dementia . Better in meren then it’s here but still has its uses if you want to go with an infinite combo.
5) Culling Dais . Value
6) Dark Privilege . Protection of commander and outlet in one.
7) Fallen Ideal . Recurring outlet is always nice.
8) Yahenni, Undying Partisan . Indestructible outlet.
9) Helm of Possession . If people are going big.
10) Plagued Rusalka . If people are going wide.
11) Claws of Gix . Can sac any permanent and is the cheapest outlet ever made.
Some utility creatures:
12) Wirewood Herald . This is one of my favorite fun cards in my deck. Your already playing a few good other elves (rec sage, izoni, wood elves, elvish visionary) so I definitely suggest adding this one!
13) Viridian Emissary and Primal Druid are all stars in my deck. Might be useful here over some of the 3 mana ramp creatures?? (Emissary is a bit better because of clamp, and it’s an elf).
14) Golgari Findbroker . Witness #2, also it’s an elf.
15) Sengir Autocrat and Mitotic Slime . These cards give 4 and 7 sacrifices respectively. They are some of the payoff cards that I use. Especially fond of autocrat since it works with savra and skullclamp very well.
16) Reassembling Skeleton . Another one of my payoff cards, and can get nuts of I have a good board. Also there are few ways to go infinite with this one (there is a 4 card combo with this in your deck right now).
17) Savra, Queen of the Golgari . It’s an elf and since it’s a creature its easier to tutor then an enchantment. The life gain is also nice!
And one more random card that doesn’t belong in above categories:
18) Foster . At 4 mana a bit expensive but boy what value this card can give!
Some of the cars you tested and took out I’d like to comment on. I find them very very useful and would probably never cut them in my deck:
19) Fecundity . This card is the best card in my deck, the only time it’s not great is when I’m playing against weenies or people are trading creatures with each other without me having a board presents. I don’t really care if people draw a card if I kill there 6 mana creatures because it still slows them down. What’s so good about this card that It provides us with a great amount of value. This card draws of tokens which is awesome and most of the creatures your running give to sac triggers anyway. In 90% the cases this card will generate more value for us then for other players.
20) Deathreap Ritual . The only reason I’d ever cut this card is the mana cost, which at 4 is a bit expensive. You however stated the reason for excluding this card is the lack of value. I’d like to point out that Morbid doesn’t only trigger at the end of your turn but at the end of EVERY turn. It also triggers when any creature dies, so it doesn’t have to be yours and, like fecundity, it triggers of tokens dying to!! In a four player game this card can give an easy 4 cards a round.
21) Golgari Germination . I like this mostly because I play above mentioned cards which benefit hugely from tokens dying, but even without this it’s a great card rewarding you for any sacrifice and being an enchantment it’s a bit more durable as well.
22) Sakura-Tribe Elder . At two mana and a build in sac outlet this card is a cheap ramp spell that functions at all time and can provide value even if you don’t have a sac outlet in play. But if you have experienced trough testing that you get more value out of a 3 drop ramp creature then it might be different for your deck compared to meren.
Hereby I end my epistle with a last note that if your looking to take out some card I’d look at everything above 4 mana and everything with X in the mana cost. I find I always take out these in the end since I can’t cast them reliably. (5 drops stay when they are very good for the deck though).
11 months ago
Phurex Sorry it took me 100 years to respond to your suggestion, but no, I've never really considered it. The card is a do-nothing the turn you play it and you this deck doesn't have reliable ways to sacrifice its own creatures in order to trigger Foster. If I ever added more things like Birthing Pod or Evolutionary Leap then it would become more of a consideration, for sure.
vomitpile Thanks! Multani is a cool card. Any reason you're going with Multani over Titania?
11 months ago
Hey, on a totally different note, can you guys help me out with something?
I've got a friend who just started EDH, and I was hoping you guys would join me taking a look at his first EDH deck:
Commander / EDH
SCORE: 2 | 2 VIEWS
Supportive, friendly commentary would be awesome :) he's just dipping his toes in the format, and I want to give him a sense of the positive community it can Foster ;)
1 year ago
Awesome idea for a Ghalta deck. Have you ever considered running Foster?
2 years ago
Thanks for posting on / upvoting my Meren primer, really glad you liked it :) Just following up with you to see if there are a few ideas I can help with - trying to stay in tune with your current deck flavor, and keep all the suggestions pretty cheap :)
- Acidic Slime - How often do you find you target lands with him? I always thought he was a little steep for the effect, and something like Sylvok Replica did 95% of the job for 60% of the cost
- What's your experience with the "pump" creatures like Bloodthrone Vampire, Lotleth Troll, etc.? I find that even with recursion engines, it's hard to have enough cards to actually feed them well enough... maybe it would be more useful to use these slots for more utility creatures (removal, ramp, etc.) and then....
- ...look at something like Beastmaster Ascension to go alongside Dance of Shadows! Seems like your wincon is a big alpha strike with creatures, so this might be a great alternative/addition. Note that Beastmaster Ascension gets the counters upon declaring attacks, so if you swing with seven creatures in one combat, they will all get +5/+5 that combat.
- Focusing on strong wincons like that would also let you turn Mortician Beetle into Elves of Deep Shadow (of course, I don't see many creatures in my playgroup so maybe I'm undervaluing that card)
- Scavenging Ooze sticks with your pump-to-win theme but adds some targeted graveyard hate
- To help speed up card draw - how about Fecundity? I assume you're playing more creatures than your opponents (and have recursion!) so this can help speed up the mid-game slog that usually happens in B/G. Foster is another option, but a little slower.
- Duskwatch Recruiter Flip - I have no experience with him, but maybe this would be a good place for him
- Manglehorn is just so good as removal, and to slow down your opponents
- From Beyond seems a bit slower than Awakening Zone in an opening hand for a similar effect
- Cryptolith Rite turns everything into Birds of Paradise!
- Maybe Bone Shredder over Nekrataal?
- What about something like Doomgape as a swing-in fatty over Scourge of Nel Toth? Both seem combat-focused, but Doomgape gains you life and is harder to block
- How often do you use Altar of Dementia? Would something like Ashnod's Altar be more useful? Probably comes down to whether you need ramp or card draw more at that stage of the game.
- Ghirapur Orrery might be interesting tech to play with, but depending on your playgroup it could go either way. Never used it personally but it seems like it could be fun
- Aluren is on the steep side of "budget" but would be SO GOOD HERE (assuming your opponents aren't heavy on the creatures too, it's symmetric!)
2 years ago
Sounds good! I have a few suggestions... this is always the hard part of deck building xD
Let's first go through and look at things that are not pertaining to your two win conditions, (Prossh or devour creatures)
We could take out Charnelhoard Wurm because it really doesn't help you out that much. All the creatures you sacrifice now (as opposed to the original deck list) are going to be tokens so you really don't need to much recursion. If a creature dies, just move along! Same thing with Hua Tuo, Honored Physician, Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper (as far as the whole "you aren't sacrificing non tokens" thing)
maybe take out Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder, I just feel like you can do much much better with a token creation engine. The sacrifice thing kinda turns me off to it.
Hellkite Hatchling is a bit underwhelming for a devour creature.
Ophiomancer is a very fun card but is just slowing you down.
Shattergang Brothers is just not quite good imo. You aren't going to sacrifice anything else but a creature except on very rare occasion.
Quagmire Druid is not bad, but is a slot taken up in your deck. Keep it close by just in case you need more enchantment removal.
Smothering Abomination is good in a vacuum but I feel like if you get it out.. that you'll find its hard to have things to sacrifice at the beginning of your upkeep as you fuel devour and prossh.
Foster I think is going to skip over some of your token producer cards.. and we don't want that happening xD
Vile Requiem is really really slow removal.
Hunter's Prowess because I think you are going to draw WAAAAAY too many cards off of that and not be able to hold on to them.
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