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Creature — Octopus
When Mesmerizing Benthid enters the battlefield, create two 0/2 blue Illusion creature tokens with "Whenever this creature blocks a creature, that creature doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step."
Mesmerizing Benthid has hexproof as long as you control an Illusion.
Mesmerizing Benthid Discussion
2 months ago
Benthid was much more helpful than Sphinx, Tempest Caller was slow relative to Watertrap Weaver and I felt another Augur would help substantially early game.
3 months ago
When Finale of Devastation fetches a creature with the x being 10 or more, such as Mesmerizing Benthid , the creature's enter-the-battlefield effect goes on the stack as the spell is resolving, and since the spell needs to fully resolve before other abilities or spells resolve, only the Octopus will gain +X/+X and haste, and the two 0/2 Illusions will only enter after their trigger resolves, which is after the +X/+X and haste effect will be given.
This also means opponents with instant speed removal, such as Cast Down or Despark can respond to the enter-the-battlefield trigger on Mesmerizing Benthid by killing it, before you control an illusion to give it hexproof.
4 months ago
Enchantment Creature- Octopus
Whenever an illusion you control dies, you may exile target creature you control, then return that creature to the battlefield under your control.
Whenever an Illusion enters the battlefield under your control, deal 1 damage to any target.
5 months ago
Musts: Fathom Mage Gyre Sage Master Biomancer Everflowing Chalice Herald of Secret Streams - Who is becoming a pretty popular card across formats fyi Managorger Hydra Inexorable Tide Simic Manipulator
Sideboard Cards you should Maindeck: Zendikar Resurgent Verdurous Gearhulk Soul of the Harvest Song of Freyalise Kodama's Reach Farseek Experiment One Everflowing Chalice Deepglow Skate Cultivate Chasm Skulker Biogenic Ooze Beast Whisperer
5 months ago
Wow, dude. You might be the very first person I've advised to remove lands from their deck. 42 is plenty, even for a big creature deck with Exploration and Burgeoning. Add in a little more early ramp in those spots. Sakura-Tribe Elder and Farseek come to mind. T
he other thing to keep in mind if you're new to commander is that 99-card singleton vs 60-card decks with 4 copies of staple cards behave very differently. You're only 50/50 to draw two creatures in the first 6 turns. Foster and Heirloom Blade might be good, in addition to a few more leviathans. Deep-Sea Kraken is a great early drop that should be out with haste by turn 5. Mesmerizing Benthid and Elder Deep-Fiend are octopi that can slow down opponents. Tromokratis is just a pain for any deck running utility creatures. Nimbus Swimmer can get hilariously large with your ramp package.
I think the counterspells that untap lands are clever, for sure. I might also consider Frantic Search for the same reason. If you really want to double down on the flash subtheme, then Leyline of Anticipation and/or Vedalken Orrery are good. Although, if you want to remove Simic Signet , as well, having very few artifacts or enchantments (that don't win on the spot, anyway), means that Bane of Progress and Wave of Vitriol are both pretty great.
Cyclonic Rift is just a straight-up staple, so make that a stretch card when you want to put more into the deck. As for tribal stuff, this might be a stretch on your budget, but Herald's Horn and Urza's Incubator are where it's at.
Bounty of the Luxa hasn't been all it was hyped up to be when it first came out. I'm not a fan of Foil , since the part of the game when you've got 4 mana but don't have extra untapped lands is pretty narrow.
Beyond that, I would check out the sea-creature tribal EDHREC page for Arixmethes. Looks like about 30 people have built decks under that theme, which is lower than I expected, although the decks from the main page might be built as such but not labeled. There's also a quirk of tribes with high CMC and low numbers tend to not meet the EDHREC critera for the site's algorithm automatically labelling it as a tribal deck.
6 months ago
I have been brewing a deck for a while based on the Helm of the Host / Timestream Navigator combo, but while there are definite similarities, there are also major differences. I don't know if any of my ideas will be helpful for your deck, but maybe something will work for you.
The big difference is I have splashed red, primarily so I can include Rhythm of the Wild . First, it allows you to give your Navigators haste so you can, in a pinch, drop one and use it immediately (which is also necessary when used in an alt combo discussed below). It also prevents your creature being countered which boosts the effectiveness of Frilled Mystic s--they will counter a spell...unless your opponent casts an enchantment burner as well as their own counterspell. Finally, giving haste or +1/+1 counters can beef up your mana dorks, make them usable the turn they are dropped, or in the case of the Incubation Druid automatically give them the tap-for-three ability.
The second big difference is I am including Prime Speaker Vannifar to pull the Navigator from the deck. What I don't like about Vivien is she doesn't dive deep plus she telegraphs to your opponent what card you pull. She also becomes an immediate target and can get burned fast. Vannifar is a much less impressive target, especially if you don't have many high CMC creatures to sac. If Vannifar is hasted via Rhythm of the Wild, you can use her immediately, sac a mana dork and pull a hasted Navigator. I you don't have a Helm ready, you can use this combo to create a limited loop that will last as long as you have 1 CMC creatures, by which time you have hopefully gotten your Helm of the Host repeater operational. Using Vannifar also means you only have to play two Navigators. She can also convert your Frilled Mystics (or any other 4 CMC critter) to Biogenic Ooze s or Mesmerizing Benthid s
Because I am playing Vannifer, I have a much higher percentage of 1 cmc creatures. Even without Vannifar, this could be helpful because it helps you Ascend faster, plus some of the creatures have an additional use. Siren Stormtamer is a cheap flyer that can also help protect your creatures when you start to activate/cast your combo. Wall of Vines gives you some protection vs weenie and token decks. Fanatical Firebrand (if you are playing red) is early damage and can take out key weenies. Benthic Biomancer can draw cards. Sparring Construct becomes a +1/+1. Get a Beast Whisperer in play and you can really burn through your library.
A few question I do have for you...What percentage of the time do you pull off the combo? How often do you cast the heavies before the combo? If you have few pre-combo heavies, you could maybe thin them a bit in favor of some counter magic and/or green removal or graveyard retrieval.
One final suggestion: Siren's Ruse . It can save a key creature, can double your Mesmerizing Benthid illusions, and can make Frilled Mystic counter another spell.
Good luck with your deck. It looks very viable now and has certainly given me things to think about for my still-brewing monstrosity.
6 months ago
I like the subtle changes I'm seeing in the maindeck. I'd personally go -1 Mirror Image +1 Knight of Autumn , primarily to make sure you don't flood yourself with clones with nothing to use them on. Three clones should be enough to generate overwhelming value in this deck. I also might go -1 Meteor Golem +1 Pelakka Wurm ; the seven life, game-dominating body, and card-on-death are probably going to be better against most everything except Teferi. I also really want to find room for Biogenic Ooze in this deck, since Militia Bugler can pull it, much like Trostani Discordant . I don't know if it's better than Mesmerizing Benthid , though, so I'm not sure how it would fit.
Your sideboard looks pretty good. Vannifar decks are likely to out-grind the popular BGu Value decks, so you probably don't need much in your sideboard for those matches. If you can fit in a single The Immortal Sun , that might be worthwhile. I was going to suggest Shield Mare if it hadn't made it in; it's perfect for what this deck wants to be doing against aggro (especially MonoRed). Kraul Harpooner is also an excellent choice to keep you in the game against UR Drakes and MonoBlue. Incubation / Incongruity is nice emergency removal against giant flying creatures and helps dig for other sideboard answers otherwise, so it's reasonable, though I'd take the opportunity to go -1 Incubation / Incongruity +1 The Immortal Sun just for the occasional free wins.
Negate beats every spell that Make a Stand beats and more: Seal Away , Ixalan's Binding , Vraska's Contempt , Teferi, and most importantly Settle the Wreckage and Find / Finality . You lose the ability to swing creature combat in your favor, but in general you're favored during board stalls anyways. Negate will help you beat Wilderness Reclamation decks, burn decks, and Gates decks as well.
With seven copies between Knight of Autumn and Mirror Image , you've got plenty of maindeck ability to deal with Wilderness Reclamation , Experimental Frenzy , and Guild Summit ; additional artifact/enchantment removal is unnecessary (especially if Negate is in the board too). Rather, it might be better to have access to the swingiest white creature in the format - Lyra Dawnbringer - against aggro decks and Tithe Taker to harass and pressure decks that want to operate on your turn. Honestly, I'd rather see Tithe Taker in the main, but it's a fine sideboard card too. Other options in that open 2x slot are Seal Away as hard removal and Warrant / Warden as a flexible answer/threat.
is also usually present in green lists somewhere in the 75. I'm not sure she's necessary here, but it's a card to always remember. Another card you have access to is
, which is great for stealing
and is effectively a removal spell that also gives you pod fodder.
Settle the Wreckage
are also available in your colors and can be potential blowouts. Just options to keep in mind.
Finally, looking back over the list, you may actually need more mana sources than 23 lands + 4 Incubation Druid . 23 lands means that you're only 58% likely to make your fourth land drop on your fourth turn. If you're missing Incubation Druid and Prime Speaker Vannifar (or if they die), you can struggle to make it to your heavy hitters. Most Vannifar lists I've seen have roughly the same curve as your deck and are running 23-24 lands + 8-13 mana dorks. Not that this is necessarily correct, but the lists appeared to be performing well with that combination.
6 months ago
Yeah, even though these aren’t hot topics to discuss, I enjoy reading each week’s — thanks for beginning the thread!
I quite enjoyed seeing the structure of the Combine. Zegana got a lot cooler in my mind, and now all the “Krasis” cards make much more sense! Also, this story is the origin of Mesmerizing Benthid ...
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