Wave of Vitriol
Each player sacrifices all artifacts, enchantments, and nonbasic lands he or she controls. For each land sacrificed this way, its controller may search his or her library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Then each player who searched his or her library this way shuffles it.
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Wave of Vitriol Discussion
1 day ago
For removals I'd say you could probably remove some of the things which grab only one land. I think cards like Sakura-Tribe Elder and Farseek while nice are likely underpreformers in your deck. Most decks I'd recommend them but you already have so many cards which grab multiple lands and things like Sakura-Tribe Scout which will put multiple lands into play given the chance.
2 days ago
Alright, understandable. The way I look at any deck is I give myself a set number of cards for each type or what each card offers. So since you want Treefolk/fatty bootied plants, I'd go with... 25 "theme" cards. 35 lands is my go to which would put you at 60 cards with the rest being support/fill. Of those remaining 40 I'd go, 5 wipes 5 spot removal, 10 draw, 10 ramp, and 10 general support. Of course you can tweak those numbers however, but it's good to have a basis. Once you start doing that you might realize you're going total overkill on one category and swapping cards around isn't as hard as it was (sometimes it is harder though lol).
All that said, a rough list I'd go with is something like this (again this is your deck and by all means take this with a grain of salt and/or ignore it if you see fit):
- Doran, the Siege Tower
- Black Poplar Shaman
- Bosk Banneret
- Great Oak Guardian
- Heartwood Storyteller
- Indomitable Ancients
- Kalonian Twingrove
- Leaf-Crowned Elder
- Magnigoth Treefolk
- Oakgnarl Warrior
- Orchard Warden
- Reach of Branches
- Sapling of Colfenor
- Seedguide Ash
- Thorntooth Witch
- Timber Protector
- Tree of Perdition
- Tree of Redemption
- Treefolk Harbinger
- Ulvenwald Observer
- Unstoppable Ash
- Verdeloth the Ancient
- Woodfall Primus
Regardless of what you do with any/all of that, good luck and hope you enjoy playing your deck!
1 week ago
Thanks for the extensive reply! I'm glad there was something there that matches your vision for the deck! I do would like to say a few more things about your mana base:
- Your mana base makes a lot more sense knowing the people in your playgroup agreed not to run any land destruction.
- You explain that cards like Lotus Vale provide a psychological effect in your opponents that leads them to underestimate your board state. I see how this will be a benefit without drawback in your playgroup and how that ties in with appearing weak when you are strong. However, for other meta's I wonder if that effect is worth running with the strip mine risk. Perhaps I would stick to just the Karoos in my playgroup.
- I think you are overestimating the amount of support Land Tax type of effects need. It's only a potential issue if A) you go first (if you go second you can play Tithe eot, or play Gift of Estates before your land drop), B) if the other people in the game don't play green (only one player needs to ramp and you're fine) or C) everyone runs a very low land count (this is edh, there always will be a player who runs at least as many lands as you do). If you ever find yourself in that situation, which will be quite rare from my experience, a karoo land is often all you need.
- More importantly, It just seems ironic to me that a deck that is all about subtlety and punishing people for being greedy, your deck has such a greedy mana base by playing no basics. If you would ever play in another playgroup I think it would fit the philosophy better to run at least some basics to guard yourself against being beaten at your own game. Even in casual groups these type of punish-nonbasic-land-effects are around. Take Wave of Vitriol for example. That's primarily a 7cmc artifact and enchantment board wipe that a lot of landfall decks play to get more triggers and dealing with OP nonbasics in a somewhat friendly way, while incidentally also punishing people who play greedy mana bases (but that's not the reason why that cards is played). So if you ever go to your LGS, consider adding a few basics ;).
Keep up the great work with this deck. I surely took inspiration from it!
GL & HF
1 week ago
I'm still intrigued by the deck and have come back to it a few times this week to ponder on it. After doing so I have a few questions and thoughts:
- Sphere of Safety seems quite weak/expensive if you run only 8 enchantments. I wonder if you ever considered switching that out. Aurification or Academy Rector come to mind as a viable alternatives.
- Boros Fury-Shield seems to fit the brief. Did you exclude that one? If so, what made you not include it?
- Could you explain the reasons why you are running Lotus Vale, Scorched Ruins and no basics in this deck? The only benefit apart from mana fixing I see is that it helps to mitigate damage from Acidic Soil (not so much Price of Progress as basics would also do that), but that seems like a small gain to me against the risk of losing 3-4 lands to a Strip Mine or perhaps even auto-conceding in the event of a Wave of Vitriol, From the Ashes, Ruination, Blood Moon or Back to Basics. It seems like an unnecessary built-in achilles heel of the deck. Could you share if there is more to that than I can see atm?
- It seems like the reactive strategy you are going for requires a certain ratio of instants/flash cards to work well. Has this been factor in your tweaking and if so, what would be your advised minimum or sweet spot %?
- If you like the broken blade, you might like Baneslayer Angel and/or Exalted Angel for the same reasons. But maybe their too high cmc for your taste.
- Have you ever considered Electropotence or Warstorm Surge as a means to discourage people from steeling monarch? Else you can let your deathtouch token destroy another creature as it enters the battlefield. Probably not good enough to make the cut, but still a fun interaction with deathtouch I wanted to mention.
2 weeks ago
jamesfiek Without green they're just Wastes that aren't basic lands and it's usually a good idea to have some basics for insurance against things Wave of Vitriol and things like Solemn Simulacrum work better.
2 months ago
2 months ago
It That Betrays is really one of those cards you'd think would be an auto include in a sacrifice theme but in this particular deck it didn't do much when i tried it. It might still be good with Mazirek in a different build. Regarding Death Cloud i just didn't think of it and i'll have to give it a try, same goes for Killing Wave and Wave of Vitriol.
2 months ago
No. Mass reanimation is not in these colors. But there are a few good cards for one or two creatures at a time.
Most important inclusion is Mana Echoes