Any Ideas On Infinite Combos
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Posted on Feb. 29, 2012, 4:50 p.m. by gheridarigaaz
Bar the glaringly obvious one about the palladium-myr-galvanizer combo has anyone else got any ideas on decent infinite mana combos? maybe similar to the Freed from the Real, Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro and Orochi Leafcaller one. ive seen a Necrotic Ooze, Pentavus, Palladium Myr and Grimgrin, Corpse-Born version, but it's long-winded. im specifically looking for one to fit into a U/G deck which doesnt take up many slots :P
Candelabra of Tawnos + any land that generates 2 or more mana like Dimir Aqueduct
Grim Monolith + Power Artifact Pili-Pala + Paradise Mantle + Training Grounds Heartless Summoning + Priest of Urabrask + Havengul Lich **STANDARD BONUS** Just to name a few!
February 29, 2012 5:17 p.m.
Graft, chandelabra of tawnos is a mono artifact, which means you can only use it's ability once a turn, read the oracle text for it:http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=999
February 29, 2012 5:26 p.m.
And the pili-pala one would just tap and untap a lot, you wouldn't get any profit from it.
February 29, 2012 5:27 p.m.
@Glen654: the Pili-Pala combo relies on either Training Grounds or Heartstone to lower the untap cost to 1. Tap for 1, pay 1 to untap and get 1 (1 floating). Tap for 1, pay 1 to untap (2 floating), etc.
February 29, 2012 5:33 p.m.
shadows1091 says... #8
in edh Worldgorger Dragon + Riku of Two Reflections + a way to get rid of the dragon
February 29, 2012 5:42 p.m.
Here's an idea: Don't do it. You'll just end up pissing people off.
February 29, 2012 6:05 p.m.
gheridarigaaz says... #10
... :( I forgot to mention the standard part... i only mentioned the Orochi Leafcaller one because it was standard for it's time :P and yes it will piss people off, so long as there are sore losers and bad winners things like this will piss people off.
February 29, 2012 7:06 p.m.
Well, if you promise not to be a dick about it, Myr Retriever x2 with an Ashnod's Altar. Combine with such goodies as Disciple of the Vault.
Metalworker + Staff of Domination.
Panoptic Mirror + any take an extra turn spell.
Crucible of Worlds + Fastbond + Zuran Orb.
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Deceiver Exarch/Pestermite.
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind + Curiosity.
I really do NOT recommend using them on people though, unless you want other people to run combos themselves or stop playing with you.
February 29, 2012 7:58 p.m.
@Glen654: Where on the oracle ruling for Candelabra of Tawnos does it say that? I'm pretty sure "mono artifact" is an obsolete designation that never really meant anything much in the first place. If the rules text doesn't say anything about the ability only being usable once per turn, I don't see how it could be the case that it could only be used once per turn.
February 29, 2012 8:23 p.m.
Oh shit, my bad, didn't notice that. So does that mean "mono artifact" meant that you had to tap it to use its ability?
February 29, 2012 8:28 p.m.
rckclimber777 says... #15
You can always check gatherer for updated rules text. In the case of Candelabra you do have to tap it.
February 29, 2012 10:09 p.m.
hunter9000 says... #16
From the comprehensive rules:
Mono Artifact (Obsolete)
An obsolete term that appeared on the type line of artifacts with activated abilities that caused the artifact to become tapped as a cost. Cards printed with this text have received errata in the Oracle card reference to simply say Artifact, and those abilities now include the tap symbol in their costs
February 29, 2012 10:21 p.m.
Disciple of the Vault + Myr Retriever + Myr Retriever in a graveyard + Ashnod's Altar = infinite loss of life...
March 1, 2012 12:58 a.m.
Havokcreation69 says... #18
Panoptic Mirror and Savor the Moment infinite turns pretty much as long as you have an untap for creatures you can usually end game i do that on my mono-blue merfold mill deck and it becomes pretty much endless check it out
March 1, 2012 2:19 a.m.
Havokcreation69 says... #19
Stuffy Doll has alot of infinite combos like enchanting it with Guilty Conscience which opens it up for alot of things especially with Pariah or Pariah's Shield and Lifelink on top of all that if you could control four you could take on for ppl and if you used something like Phyrexian Metamorph you could have alot of stuffy dolls hitting ppl infinite time also to keep it blue theres Vesuvan Doppelganger and Clone Copy Artifact you get the idea right???? thats my dream infinite deck but i need 2 more dolls and alot of other stuff but its a good concept if you want the list just ask ill show you it and you can try and make it even though it wont be legal itll be fun for private games
March 1, 2012 3:06 a.m.
cooknathan says... #20
Heres one I just invented.
Have out Dissipation Field + Heavy Arbalest or Wolfhunter's Quiver or Livewire Lash + Angel's Feather or True Conviction or Phyrexian Unlife or Vault of the Archangel + enough creatures to make about 10 mana (like 3x Elvish Archdruid & a Birds of Paradise) + either something to give a creature haste (like Swiftfoot Boots) or if your using Livewire Lash, something to target a creature (like Abuna Acolyte or Alabaster Mage etc etc). Then cast Village Bell-Ringer, equip it, deal damage to yourself, return it to your hand and recast ;-)
OR...
Havengul Lich + any way to kill a creature (like Disciple of Griselbrand or Dross Hopper or Mortarpod or Stitcher's Apprenticeetc) + mana creatures and Village Bell-Ringer (as above)
On a more serious note, I havnt seen a competitive inf' mana combo in the current standard. There are however a handful of other combo decks that could be competitive.
Are you interested in non-inf' mana standard combos?
March 1, 2012 5:23 a.m.
gheridarigaaz says... #22
yea, im trying to make a self mill deck that uses Genesis Wave as the main mill card so that when it hits the board the chances of my Laboratory Maniac coming in are increased as i draw past the last card of my deck. of course i'll also be running things like Increasing Confusion et al at the moment the deck just searches the library for cards again and again to no end. it winds up thinning the deck but at a very slow rate, at least it makes sure theres always mana available for certain things, the deck is deck:de-rptastic
March 1, 2012 9:33 a.m.
cooknathan says... #23
Thats funny as that is the main strategy of my current standard deck (deck:birthing-of-the-genesis-elves it has performed well). If youl take my advice, you dont need infinite mana only lots of mana ;-)
You can use elf mana Elvish Archdruid, Phyrexian Metamorph, Viridian Emissary & Llanowar Elves to ramp yourself faster than ANYTHING else in standard atm.
Use Birthing Pod & Green Sun's Zenith to help with consistency and Garruk, Primal Hunter for draw.
Then Genesis Wave for x=10ish (usually easy by turn 4-5). Youl hit more elves, Swiftfoot Boots and hopefully either Birthing Pod or Snapcaster Mage.
Recast the genesis wave ftw.
Heres a version of the deck that is more specialised Just crazy enough to work!.
Otherwise I feel that your best option would be going with the myr combo only still use Birthing Pod to tutor the creatures.
March 1, 2012 10:02 a.m.
When I saw the title, I couldn't resist posting.. I really like artifacts, like really really really like them. Here's one I came up with the other day: Starting with one Palladium Myr and two Myr Galvanizers, pretty much any Myr with an activated ability can be activated as many times as you like.
For example, Brass Squire for moving Equipment around: Tap Brass Squire (move Equipment), tap Palladium Myr (get 2 mana), pay 1 and tap Myr Galvanizer A, tap Brass Squire (move Equipment), tap Palladium Myr (get 2, now have 3), tap Myr Galvanizer B, etc etc. Each cycle will also result in an extra colourless mana for you to use. :) Then you can also use Coretapper for unlimited charge counters.
It gets even more fun when you throw Amoeboid Changeling into the mix, then any of your creatures can become a Myr when you need them to. Could be especially nasty if you have March of the Machines and Lux Cannon out as well... :P Hehe..
March 1, 2012 10:13 a.m.
The only infinite mana combo in standard right now is perfomred using Havengul Lich, Heartless Summoning, and Priest of Urabrask. But that's not in the colors of your genesis wave deck, so it won't help you much. Sorry.
-BuLLZ3Y3
March 1, 2012 12:08 p.m.
Mycosynth Lattice + March of the Machines + Experiment Kraj + Any Planeswalker.
The planeswalker becomes a creature, and the Kraj can gain all of it's activated abilities. The ability to only use one power a turn is inherit to the "Planeswalker" supertype- not the powers themselves. So you can do as many of them a turn as you want.
March 1, 2012 12:34 p.m.
Havokcreation69 says... #27
i would hate to say this but y not use Panoptic Mirror with Genesis Wave and just make your first mana cost the highest you can and than just do it every up keep and your deck will die very in 5-7 turns but it wont matter cause itll all be in play there would be a problem if you played another mill deck though especially if it was faster so just watch out for those but i think its possible it makes sense right?
March 1, 2012 12:40 p.m.
@Havokcreation69 That wouldn't work, because you would copy the Genesis Wave and play it without paying its mana cost. So you wouldn't be able to put any mana into the "X" part of the spell.
-BuLLZ3Y3
March 1, 2012 12:41 p.m.
Havokcreation69 says... #29
Lhurgyof has a great idea there especially with Jace Beleren for blue mill only problem is its a big combo but very B/A
March 1, 2012 12:44 p.m.
Havokcreation69 says... #30
but couldnt you add the (x) from wave to the mirror?
March 1, 2012 12:46 p.m.
No. Panoptic Mirror has you create a copy of the spell and play it without paying for it's mana cost. Thus, you cannot choose and pay a value for X, resulting in X=0.
March 1, 2012 1:08 p.m.
More specifically, when you activate Panoptic Mirror's ability, it requires that you pay the converted mana cost of the desired spell upon activation.
Which means that you can't put anything into Genesis Wave's (X) cost because the spell's converted mana cost is actually 3. If you paid more for Panoptic Mirror's activation, Genesis Wave wouldn't be a legal target for the imprint.
March 1, 2012 1:12 p.m.
@Lhurgoyf:
112.5. Some activated abilities are loyalty abilities. Loyalty abilities follow special rules: A player may activate a loyalty ability of a permanent he or she controls any time he or she has priority and the stack is empty during a main phase of his or her turn, but only if no player has previously activated a loyalty ability of that permanent that turn. See rule 606, "Loyalty Abilities."
All abilities of planeswalkers are loyalty abilities, and the restriction of "one ability per turn" is inherent to the abilities themselves, not the "Planeswalker" card type (also, Planeswalker is not a supertype).
Now here is a good combo: Mycosynth Lattice + Null Rod
March 1, 2012 4:35 p.m.
@bcurran: Aww man, really? Gatherer has lied!
Oh well, it would've been cool.
March 1, 2012 5:51 p.m.
Havokcreation69 says... #35
i get it thnx alot dude cause i was actually thinkin of makin it a base on a deck so thnx for lettin me kno but still Panoptic Mirror is sick for every deck that has instants or sorceries
March 1, 2012 7:01 p.m.
gheridarigaaz says... #36
practically yes, i am interested in non-infinite mana combos.
hunter9000 says... #2
Palinchron
is used a lot when paired with something that lets you play it for cheaper/free.
Rings of Brighthearth
+ Basalt Monolith
, but good luck getting your hands on those cards.
Phyrexian Altar
with creatures you can sac over and over. This isn't UG, but Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
plus something like Workhorse
works well.
February 29, 2012 5:13 p.m.