Creature — Shapeshifter
You may have Clone enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield.
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Clone occurrence in decks from the last year
1 day ago
The Clone will come in as an artifact that isn't a creature. The type changing effect of Crew is not a copyable characteristic. Once you do make the Clone a creature by copying it, it will revert at the end of turn, just like any other crewed vehicle.
1 day ago
I'm curious about the interaction between a vehicle like Aradara Express crewed so it's a creature now and then cloning it with idk Clone. If you do this does the clone that's a copy of the crewed vehicle remain a creature indefinitely?
1 week ago
I would take out 1 of each basic lands plus two other cards and replace with a Dimir Signet, Golgari Signet, Simic Signet and a Sol Ring. Maybe one more mana rock or Gyre Sage. That should put your mana at 40% of your deck.
Clones are fun with ninjas. Nice cheap Clone or anything with that ability can copy the most powerful creature on the board and then ninjitsu it back to recast once you see a better creature hit the board.
Primeval Protector comes out cheap.
1 week ago
sean360 Happy to share my thoughts and considerations.
As for why you kept it more simple. The Populate cost of 4 makes it a lot stronger when just copying good stuff at high CMC, especially ones with ETBs or easy triggers. Imagine copying a Magmatic Force at 4 mana. Normally it takes 3 CMC and a card to make a token of a creature you control. To copy any creature you often turn to Clone and their ilk.
I hesitated suggesting a Populate of 4 because the creature itself provides the token that it can populate. Most of the Populate cards synergizes off other cards making those tokens, so there's a weakness that you need one to use the other. In the case of Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage the token generation is really expensive, so it is more efficient to have another card provide the token and then the Guildmage can Populate it. Kimni is one package, and there's a danger in making that too efficient. That's why I sought other ways to make it stronger without breaking it.
Making the creature and the copy token a changeling (not linked to the Populate ability, only the on-cast) seems close to a no-cost. It definitely makes Kimni stronger in certain deck shells but in others it is meaningless - like when you just copy the best creature on board when you cast it and have little self-synergy when copying your own stuff. And the strength it draws from tribal synergy seems rather small, where it would be more beneficial to run a Commander directly from that tribe.
WotC have already made 2 Changeling token producers in; Birthing Boughs and Maskwood Nexus - the later even being an Arcane Adaptation on steroids. I think the Birthing Boughs were made cautiously because it had to account for limited play. Token generators are very powerful in limited, especially without color restriction. The Maskwood is exploring the use of changelings but at rare, so it doesn't affect limited significantly.
I doubt that making them changelings would break the card. Making the Populate at 4 is stronger than changelings and Populate at 5. At least IMO.
1 week ago
I played a game tonight and we were not sure how to resolve this, so I just opted to copy something different. But, in the event it happens again, I'd really appreciate it if someone could walk me through the interactions here.
The following turn I thought to myself that I should go all-in and copied Progenitor Mimic. I copied P.Mimic because Mimic has the copy text on it, while the original Meteor Golem does not, nor do any of the tokens.
Yeah things are gonna get weird.
M.Pretender entered and copied. So once copied, it's "already entered". Does that mean it's now too late to get the ETB destruction trigger, or is it ENTER-ING the field AS a Meteor Golem, thus giving it the ETB destruction ability?
The deck I am running has 11 Clone-like creatures in it, so this kind of thing is bound to happen again. Lol.
1 week ago
This card seems pretty wild, being kind of a preemptive (and non-Disenchantable) Metamorphic Alteration. If you foretell it on one turn, it only takes one measly mana to use it in response to something on another turn. What kind of tricks can you think of using it for?
Most obviously, use spells/abilities that bring in a lot of creatures in one go so that they all enter as a copy of something strong. One awkward thing here though is that an opponent could ursurp the reflection by getting in something of their own at instant speed. -inclusive commanders I can think of that qualify are Oona, Queen of the Fae and Nevinyrral, Urborg Tyrant, plus Tana, the Bloodsower & Nadier, Agent of the Duskenel with an appropriate partner. (Note that e.g. The Locust God is AFAIK underwhelming here since its triggers are separate; you'll only get a copy out of the first token.)
Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer could use it as an inexpensive (if somewhat risky) way of getting a token copy of something that his other tokens can then copy in turn.
Kind of narrow, but you could get extra value by having creatures with on-cast triggers like Mockery of Nature come in as a copy of something with an ETB trigger, getting you both triggers at the end of the day. (You could also do something like having a creature cast from your hand come into as a copy of a Dread Cacodemon to qualify for its ETB, but you could do the same with any creature card Clone variant.)
1 week ago
Yes, a copy of Myojin of Seeing Winds cast from hand will enter with a Divinity counter, regardless of whether the original has a Divinity Counter. This is true whether you keep both, using a copy like Sakashima of a Thousand Faces or Sakashima the Impostor that lets you keep both, or a regular copy like Clone or Clever Impersonator. Token copies aren't cast, even if the spell that makes them is, so Cackling Counterpart or Spitting Image won't give you the Divinity counter.
3 weeks ago
I have a few non-traditional decks on my profile. The one I have the most fun is this one:
I was playing in a metagame where graveyard hate and board wipes were to be expected. I couldn't have a huge army of creatures because they would get wiped out. Artifact removal was rampant as well. Vandalblasts for days. But the one thing that seemed to be taboo was land destruction. Nobody was doing it, so I created a deck that ramps out all of your lands. After ramping lands, you drop a few enchantments that double your mana, untap everything with Early Harvest, and blast a big X spell. This was before "X" meant hydra tribal. I've played this against all sorts of decks and it wins out of nowhere. Your deck looks like it's going really slowly, and then boom!
An actual 60 card deck I built uses Mass Polymorph as the win condition. You create 4 or 5 tokens, and then mass polymorph into Hagra Diabolist and Clones. Let's say 4 Diabolists enter the battlefield at the same time. Each one triggers 4 times and the life drain is 4 for each trigger. 4 diabolists x 4 triggers each x 4 life = 64. I don't have the deck list on my profile, but it's basically esper control until you can cast your 6 mana spell. None of these combo pieces are particularly expensive, either.
Maybe these ideas are too comboey? Haha, I guess that's all I'm interested in LOL. What archetype are you looking for? Aggro?