Planeswalker — Jace
+2: Each player draws a card.
-1: Target player draws a card.
-10: Target player puts the top twenty cards of their library into his or her graveyard.
|Have (2)||Forkbeard , Bluboltar|
|Want (3)||MrMittensSr , shpadoinkle , 84lemmings|
Printings View all
|Signature Spellbook: Jace (SS1)||Mythic Rare|
|Duel Decks Anthology (DD3)||Mythic Rare|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Mythic Rare|
|2010 Core Set (M10)||Mythic Rare|
|Duel Decks: Jace vs. Chandra (DD2)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo set for Gatherer (PSG)||Mythic Rare|
Combos Browse all
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Jace Beleren Discussion
2 weeks ago
I'm still not sure I understand your aversion of the vivid lands, but let's say i cut them, would you add basics (as long as i haven't tested how early my proliferation is online)?
Throne of Geth doesn't need many other artifacts. At the point where I want to activate this more than once I image having some signets / talismans that I don't need anymore, allowing them to be useful again as fodder for the throne. I don't expect to ativate this before turn 4 at all, probably even later than that. Yes, it's amazing if i get to activate it every turn (e.g. when i have Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast or Saheeli, Sublime Artificer), but i feel like it's done its job when i activate it twice, and i can always use it once in a pinch.
I know you specifically said "not necessarily infinites" but I'm not sure what other kind of I win buttons other than copying planeswalker ults you might mean. I have a Torment of Hailfire that I may want, I could probably get to enough mana through proliferation that everyone has to sac their board, hand and life, but honestly it might take too long and i prefer not to run any tutors, so it's kinda hit or miss. Any other non-infinite suggestions?
It also doesn't help that my playgroup actually frowns a little on infinite combos. I think the 4 card combo that i discovered after adding all the pieces is convoluted enough to be appreciated. Then there's a lot of ways to get infinite turns with Magistrate's Scepter here too, but this can also easily be interrupted by artifact removal - even this may be too much for them though. I guess what I'm saying is that we mostly play for the fun and "doing our thing", less for the winning. I probably wouldn't play this deck in a competitive environment (but who knows!)
Also: I'm cutting solemn, but Jace, Cunning Castaway might be too meme-y, which walker do you think fits the bill best? I'm thinking
Jace Beleren: Party jace! cheap, draws cards, could be left alone if i draw the table cards
Tezzeret, Artifice Master: helps throne of geth, draws cards, has cool ult
Teferi, Temporal Archmage: untap can help our artifacts do double duty, is another walker to go infinite with chain veil and mana artifacts that produce 4 mana, has cool ult
Ugin, the Ineffable: helps control, builds boardstate, helps cast artifacts (and ugins/karns)
Sorin Markov: Drains slowly, can help table take care of archnemesis, resets the lifegain deck, has evil ult
I'm leaning towards teferi now that i realised it can help me combo (or at least proliferate more). Am i missing any good ones (that aren't Jace, the Mind Sculptor or Dack Fayden since those are too expensive)
PS: what's your stance on wilds/terramorphic: cut for basics or keep?
I agree with your take on what's likely to happen to me during a game but I don't think Force of Despair is the answer. It’s a decent card but i don’t think it helps us much:
It only takes care of creatures from 1 opponent, and only the turn they entered, making this feel more like a counterspell, less like a wrath or even regular removal. In that sense it’s somewhat like sorcery speed removal, which might even be better in this case because we can at least interact with all the threats since our previous turn.
It’s a free spell, it can’t be that bad, but i’m not sure it does what we need.
1 month ago
Luminous Bonds > Nahiri's Binding
1 Island > Sea Gate Restoration Flip
Juxtapose > Keening Stone
Legerdemain > Jace Beleren
Custody Battle > Blasphemous Act
Vedalken Plotter > Maddening Cacophony
Goblin Cadets > Jace, Memory Adept
Tolarian Winds> Windfall
2 months ago
Voici quelques changements ''budget'' que tu pourrais faire pour optimiser ton deck.
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2 months ago
- Nekusar, the Mindrazer hes a great commander if you wanted to change format for this deck style is really funny.
- The biggest issue with the deck is running Reliquary Tower and Underworld Dreams in the same deck you really need both effects, but the mana base is very hard to get by with.
- When deciding between these two decks ill say one is more comboy which means itll feel the same each game basically this one is mostly synergy so it'll feel different playing it each time.
- Forced Fruition is 6 mana. Youll probably hit your land drops on time due to card draw but thats still 6 turns (5 at the soonest).
- Fast lands like Sulfur Falls are great but you wanna run 3 max. They dont work well together. If your opener is just a 2-1 split of your fast lands your gonna be behind. (Shocklands are worth it).
- Consider the following: Teferi's Ageless Insight, Ominous Seas, Blasphemous Act, Fate Unraveler, Molten Psyche, Spiteful Visions, Whispering Madness + unblockable creature, Ob Nixilis, the Hate-Twisted, Dictate of Kruphix, Megrim, Dark Deal, Waste Not, (Magus of the Wheel is sadly not legal :( ), Psychosis Crawler, Howling Mine, Liliana's Caress, Temple Bell, Incendiary Command, Prosperity, Dragon Mage, Fell Specter, Kess, Dissident Mage, Sangromancer, Magus of the Jar, Laboratory Maniac, Thassa's Oracle, Nadir Kraken, Consecrated Sphinx, Baleful Strix, Sire Of Insanity, Reverberate, Wheel of Fate, Echo of Eons, Burning Inquiry, Scheming Symmetry, Font of Mythos, Otherworld Atlas, Spellbook, Crawlspace or Ensnaring Bridge, Jace Beleren, Ashiok, Dream Render, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Narset, Parter of Veils, Geier Reach Sanitarium.
- I hope thats helpful. There's a lot of similar affects so theres a lot of routes to go.
3 months ago
In other words, would Magic the Gathering be better off if there was no mythic rarity? Limited Edition Alpha was released August 5th, 1993, however; the concept of mythic rares wasn't introduced until Alara block which was released October 3rd, 2008. While mythic rares seem like a staple in every MTG pack today, the majority of MTG's lifespan has largely gone by without ever having them.
My argument here is magic cards didn't suddenly become even more powerful in Alara block. Before then even planeswalkers could simply be opened up as rares. Ex: Jace Beleren. Mythic rares to me seem like a way of taking normal rares and artificially inflating the price and vlaue of them by increasing their scarcity or in other words lowering the supply of them.
Mythic rares also seem to be a way of tarnishing reprints in masters sets. When a valuable card hasn't been printed in a while the price tends to go up over time. In masters sets a mythic rare or a rare printing can mean the difference between the reprint being affordable and only causing a small dip in the overall price-line. Many times I read comments from people expressing grief when they see that much needed reprint they want spoiled at the mythic rare level. At what benefit is the mythic rarity serving the player in this instance?
Another argument against mythic rarity and reprints in masters sets is it limits the number of powerful reprints that can be included in a set. In the last masters set, Ultimate Masters, the set only had 20 different mythic rares in contrast to its 53 normal rares. If rare became the highest rarity in masters sets there would be more room to fit the most powerful of magic cards which would make it easier for more needed reprints to be released sooner rather than shafted to some later set due to a limited mythic pool of cards.
In fact if you look at older sets the number of rares they had would usually be greater than the combined number of rares + mythic rares in newer sets (so long as we compare sets with similar card totals of coarse.) For example, the old set Eveningtide is made up of 180 different cards, 60 of which are all rares. This was the last magic set not to have any mythic rares in it. If we look at a similarly sized set such as Aether Revolt being composed of 184 different cards, that set had only 42 rares and 12 mythic rares for a combined total of 54 value cards. Another similarly sized set is Fate Reforged with 165 different cards with only 35 rares and 10 mythics for a combined total of 45 value cards.
Because of the inclusion of mythic rares not only are there less rares but the total number of rare-or-higher cards have diminished over time. Back in the day you were always guaranteed a rare, the highest rarity in every booster pack. While you are still guaranteed to pull a rare or higher in every MTG booster pack today, you aren't guaranteed the highest rarity, mythic rare, in every pack. This in turn takes something that was originally guaranteed and instead leaves it to chance. This is not to argue that mythic rares should be guaranteed, but to illustrate they were originally designed to create this problem in the first place. Imagine if instead of coming up with mythic rares, WoTC decided to make rares no longer guaranteed in packs instead. As I see it that system would be no different from this one yet I can't help but feel there would be more player backlash over it. Some of you may be quick to point out that being guaranteed up to a rare and being guaranteed up to an uncommon are two completely different things and while in standard sets I'd agree, its the masters sets where you often see a lot rares that should be placed at the uncommon level where my point shines best. I believe so long as mythic rares as a concept exists, they will provide an excuse that its okay for low powered cards to exist in the rare slot, because rare isn't the highest rarity which ultimately diminishes the value of packs.
Thus I want to propose the question; would MTG be better off as a whole if it no longer used the concept of mythic rares anymore?
4 months ago
- Gem of Becoming >> Geth's Grimoire
- Launch Party >> Molten Psyche
- Perilous Vault >> Sol Ring
- Nivix, Aerie of the Firemind >> Command Tower
- Iron Myr >> Damnable Pact
- Lightning Bolt? >> Dragon Mage
- Concentrate? >> Magus of the Wheel
- Sign in Blood? >> Perplex
- Seizan, Perverter of Truth, Jace Beleren, The Locust God
8 months ago
Hey man! Good first draft! I like some of the ideas in here. I have some constructive criticism for you, so, as brutally honest as I will be with my suggestions, keep in mind I’m just offering my best advice on how to improve this list. I tested this deck a bit and here’s some thoughts I have:
More Tutor / Draw: You’re running very little card advantage, which I noticed when I was testing this deck. There isn’t enough dig or deck manipulation going on here. Basically every time I found myself durdling. Here are some suggestions:
- Sensei's Divining Top
- Scroll Rack
- Crystal Ball
- Courier's Capsule
- Wheel of Fortune
- Stroke of Genius
- Mystic Remora
- Jace Beleren
- Long-Term Plans
- Land Tax
- Academy Rector
- Idyllic Tutor
- Madblind Mountain
- Fetch Lands. Literally any fetches.
More spot removal: Your deck doesn’t have a lot of ways of dealing out targeted removal. Mass Land D and other sweeper spells are great and all, but you also need ways of handling individual problems as they arrive. Here are some suggestions I have:
- Path to Exile / Swords to Plowshares
- Seal of Cleansing / Dispeller's Capsule
- Return to Dust
- Crush Contraband
- Shattering Pulse
- Shattering Spree
- Chaos Warp
- Lightning Bolt
More Persistent harassment: You’re running MLD, Tax, but you aren’t running a whole lot of effects to consistently torment the opponent. Smokestack, Pendrell Mists, Kataki, War's Wage, Manabarbs keep pressure on your opponents. Even just running more stuff to slow things down (Winter Orb, Tangle Wire, Kismet, Rule of Law, Stranglehold etc.) would be useful here.
Consider less creatures, more enchantments: Hatebears are cool, but consider the fact that they are easier to kill than their enchantment counterparts. Magus of the Moon dies much easier than Blood Moon and you want these effects to have a good return on investment. This one is more food for thought than actual criticism.
Suggestions for cuts: Hall of Heliod's Generosity (?): It’s a great card, but right now you aren’t running enough Enchantments to justify it. Most of the time it’s going to just tap for colorless. If you run more Enchantments, it’s a keeper! (I think I’m going to try and find a slot for my own deck)
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain: This is pretty vestigial. It’s not really pulling much weight. Cut it.
Karn, Silver Golem: See above.
Tomik, Distinguished Advokist: I get what you’re going with here, but you’re blowing up your lands anyway, making them untargetable is kind of moot. There’s a bunch of hatebears I’d rather run in this slot.
Saltblast: This card is kind of bad. Costs waaay too much for targeted removal. Also, is completely dead against decks that run white. I’d honestly remove this and replace it with Wrath of God instead.
Karn, the Great Creator: Not doing enough. I see the combo with Mycosynth Lattice, but Hellkite Tyrant is a much better combo.
Empowered Autogenerator: Too slow, too expensive. It’s not as good as it looks. Ideally, rocks should slot into the 0-3 CC range. If you desperately wanted something in the 4 slot, why not just run Thran Dynamo instead? It’s more consistent.
Firemind Vessel – See above.
9 months ago
Just looking there are a few cards that jump out at me (again, feel free to ignore anything said here)
Dissipation Field - Ideally you want to be stopping things from hitting you, not stopping them from hitting you again. It's a neat card, but possibly one that could be cut.
Lavinia, Azorius Renegade - I don't know your meta, so I can't speak to much, but how many cards is Lavinia stopping?
Jace Beleren - There are better draw spells at three. There are better card drawing planeswalkers at three. If you want a similar card Narset, Parter of Veils find control pieces and auras better than Jace.
There are other sideways upgrades that can be made. If you really want to find room for that Windfall, Mulldrifter is sorta doing the same thing, for example. Any of your control pieces can be come any other control pieces (Karmic Justice could go in for any other removal card).