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Yeah this comes of as kind of a strange question just because Tyrannize is honestly just a really poor card. Especially in Commander. 7 life for 5 mana is just.... not good, and the only time someone is going to discard their hand is if what's in it is worth less than 7 life. Giving your opponents choices is almost always a bad thing, even if both choices seem powerful, because they'll always pick the weaker option. In this case though, the 7 life is just really insignificant.

This, combined with the fact that Bedevil is, on the other hand, a really good card, makes it seem like a pretty bizarre question. It's one of the best removal spells in B/R.

So yes, as an in general, I'd never run Tyrannize in EDH, and Bedevil is a good card. I wouldn't go so far as to say that you should just straight swap in every instance, but as an in general its a much better card. There are so many factors to consider with deck construction though like your mana curve, that just swapping this out directly would impact.

October 21, 2019 12:38 a.m.

but how better are they?

Not dramatically better imo. But better is better.

Talismans:

  • Can tap for mana without support. (A big deal)
  • Can produce colorless mana at not additional cost. (A nice option)

Signets:

  • Taps for both colors instead of one or the other. (Good in specific situations)
  • Can filter mana of other colors. (Also good in certain cases)

They both have advantages, it's just that the advantages Talismans have apply to more scenarios. They are both still very good mana rocks.

October 20, 2019 11:48 p.m.

I'd be interested. I can't get enough edh content tbh. Some insight into good deckbuilding would be cool. I think I have a pretty good idea what I'm doing, but I'd be very interested in various perspectives, and having a place to send people who want advice on deckbuilding.

October 20, 2019 11:36 p.m.

SynergyBuild: You're right he wasn't. I didn't realize this thread was that old haha. But even with him out, in which case Arena would draw me two extra cards every turn, it's just still not worth it for how slow it is. If I'm playing a card that draws me cards, it's because I want more cards. Now. Not over the course of the next 5 turns.

October 20, 2019 11:21 p.m. Edited.

Finally someone said it. I've been a black player since the day I started MTG, some 15 years ago now. And it feels like almost that entire 15 years I've spent every day coming closer and closer to this conclusion. These days I don't have it in even a single deck, it's just never worth the card slot. It has to survive a full rotation just to replace itself, and at the cost of 1 life. By the time it's actually generated any tangible advantage, the game is nearing its end.

Even my Vilis build doesn't run it. I might even go so far as to say that Underworld Connections is a better card, because at least that can replace itself right away. And it's a pretty poor card.

October 20, 2019 8:31 a.m.

Said on Chulane or Roon?...

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I play in a semi-competitive playgroup, far from cEDH but definitely on the upper end of "casual" powerlevel. I run a Chulane value engine deck that would probably draw hate in lower power groups, but he's pretty par for our group, and the deck does pretty well imo. I run a lot of ETB, additional creature cast/etb draw effects like Soul of the Harvest and Beast Whisperer , landfall effects like Admonition Angel , Roil Elemental , Tatyova, Benthic Druid , and have a secondary wincon via Approach of the Second Sun .

Imo Chulane and Roon run different builds though, even as value engines. I think both can be used to great effect, they just have different ways of going about it.

October 14, 2019 10:41 p.m.

Oftentimes a combination of both is ideal.

I pretty much just came here to say this. Unless you're running more than 3 colors, I'd just run all of the talismans you can and all of the signets you can. Depending on deck/budget, throw in Sol Ring , Mana Crypt / Vault , Arcane Signet , and you're good.

October 5, 2019 10:04 p.m.

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