Does stacking multiple convert triggers convert multiple times?
Asked by Yesterday 3 years ago
In a 4-player game, I control a Soundwave, Sonic Spy Flip and three 2/2 Boar creature tokens. I attack each opponent with a Boar and they all connect.
Each Boar triggers Soundwave and each opponent has an Impulse in their respective graveyards.
Pretending for a moment that Soundwave, Superior Captain has no text, if two of the original triggers resolve, will Soundwave convert to its back face and then convert again to its front face? I assume not since there is a rule in place to prevent that from happening with classic transform cards, but I figured I'd double check first.
Now, assuming that it works the same as transform: if Sonic Spy triggers three times, and the first trigger converts it into Superior Captain, then the second trigger causes Superior Caption to convert back into Sonic Spy (because of Superior Captain's own triggered ability), will the third original trigger cause Sonic Spy to convert into Superior Captain yet again?
I don't know if the transforming rules prevent a ‘dangling’ transform trigger to fail if the permanent has transformed in the meantime at all, or only if it prevents the permanent from transforming if the permanent is sitting on its other face from when the trigger was initially put on the stack.
Okay, they're exactly the same thing, that simplifies it a lot. Thanks for the answer.
Just double-checking though, is there something I'm missing about why Soundwave, Superior Captain won't transform back after Soundwave, Sonic Spy Flip triggers three times? The ability of the front face specifies that it'll transform as part of its ability, and that doesn't work beyond the first trigger. But also, the trigger causes you to cast a spell, and the back face of Soundwave has its own triggered ability that'll transform it again when you cast a spell.
April 10, 2023 7:32 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #3
It will go back to the Spy face from the Captain trigger. In your example, it hasn't transformed since the Captain trigger was put onto the stack, so the special rule doesn't interfere with it transforming from that trigger.
April 10, 2023 9:22 a.m.
wallisface says... #4
Yesterday ahh yes i hadn’t read the Superior Captain side as I thought we were only discussing the front side. In this scenario, the back side will cause it to reflip to the front (and then as far as I can se there’ll be nothing left to ever have it flip a 3rd time as part of this interaction).
wallisface says... Accepted answer #1
So, as far as the rules are concerned, "converting" and "transforming" a creature is the same thing (even to the point that if these cards are ever made in-universe, they'll say "transform").
From the rules then, you're not going to be able to flip Soundwave, Sonic Spy Flip multiple times, because of this clause:
"if a DFC has an activated or triggered ability that transforms it, that permanent transforms only if it hasn't since that ability was put on the stack."
So regardless of how many opponents you hit and how many triggers Soundwave, Sonic Spy Flip generates from that, it will only ever flip once from that interaction.
April 9, 2023 6:16 p.m.