Ancient Grudge

Ancient Grudge


Destroy target artifact.

Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

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Ancient Grudge Discussion

ClockworkSwordfish on Ferocious Four Pack (Budget)

2 weeks ago

This looks like a really good, solid kitchen table-type deck! It's always nice to see more of those types of casual superstars.

One choice that stands out to me, however, is Warden of the Chained... he seems like a reasonable "underpriced creature with a drawback," but it's actually quite easy to do better in . The best example is perhaps Gruul Spellbreaker, who can be the same size and mana cost but has some other abilities, too, without the drawback. In my experience, the card is dirt cheap, so budget is no worry!

One other option you might want to consider is having a way to deal with noncreature permanents. It would be shut down by something like Sphere of Safety or Call to the Grave. I think one of the most efficient budget options is Hull Breach, though you might also like the incidental damage from something like Cindervines or Destructive Revelry. Ancient Grudge is also super efficient if you're more worried about artifacts in particular. If you'd rather handle it on the creature side of things, Sunder Shaman and Gemrazer are both solid options!

wallisface on Forged Execution (Gruul Land-Hate)

1 month ago

Nice build! Very juicy!

Some thoughts from looking through the list:

  • As you already mentioned, Shenanigans looks really good here. But I wouldn't necessarily drop Ancient Grudge for it, as Grudge will almost always be a 2-for-1, where as Shenanigans will always be a 1-for-1 (it's just you can have it in hand whenever you want it). Shenanigans is better than all of Destructive Revelry, Smash to Smithereens, and Splinter, so I'd suggest ditching one of them (if it were me, it'd be Splinter.

  • Your land count is really low. A bunch of your cards need for you to be at 3 mana, which you're going to only reach unreliably at 20 lands. I'd suggest going to 22 personally. This will also help you actually get Rust Scarab out too (which I personally think works good as a 1-or-2-of)

  • I'm really unconvinced by Splinter. If you're hosing your opponents boardstate, it usually won't matter whether they have more copies of a particular card in-deck. More often than not, it'll be the instants/sorceries giving you grief rather than the permanents (and Splinter can't hit those). This'd be the card i'd be ditching for Shenanigans as mentioned above. Splinter is a sideboard card at-best.

  • You mentioned on the forum-thread potentially using Voltaic Key, but I don't think this is necessary, as once the engine is going, the untap of the Key is just overkill. Something like Ancient Stirrings might be better suited though, as it gives you a turn 1 play, and lets you grab either additional lands, or grab additional Liquimetal cards (I would suggest staying at 20 lands if you added a playset of Ancient Stirrings).

  • Barrier Breach feels really strong here, though probably just as a 2-of. The cycling is nice if you're in a bad spot, but it's also going to end the game on-the-spot if you have multiple Liquimetal cards in play.

  • I reeaallly don't rate taplands (Kazandu Refuge). They're going to trip you up more often than they're going to help you colour-fix. Personally I'd sooner be running all your lands as basics, than include the Refuge. Only running 2 colours, and nothing needing multiple of a particular-pip you're very likely to be fine just running all basics anyway.

If it were me, I'd be ditching 4x Splinter, 4x Tin Street Hooligan, and 1x Smash to Smithereens, for 3x Shenanigans, 4x Ancient Stirrings, 2x Barrier Breach - but that's just me. You'll have a better idea of whether this sounds viable or nonsense.

MortisAngelus on Sunder Shaman or Rust Scarab …

1 month ago


Shenanigans is extremely interesting... Might cut Ancient Grudge for that one, and re-insert Elixir of Immortality.

Question is also, if it might be better to keep in 2x Voltaic Key instead of having some big hitters.

wallisface on Sunder Shaman or Rust Scarab …

1 month ago

It's pretty hard/impossible to judge either without a list, but I would suggest there are better options than both, by a long way. 5cmc and 4cmc respectively is pretty big, and these guys do nothing on entering the battlefield, so you've given your opponent an absolute TON of time to setup and win before you're enacting any kind of plan (I'm assuming this is the main plan for the deck as I have no other information). On top of that, if you're planning on controlling the board state, you don't need big creatures, you just need to make sure the board is under your control, and then win at your leisure.

So instead, I would suggest you consider some of the following:

  • Shenanigans Lets you destroy whatever you want of your opponents, as many times as you'd like. At 2cmc, you can start peeling-away at every board-piece your opponent has as early as turn 3 - and have a guaranteed 1-destroy-per-turn until your opponent concedes, or you swing for lethal.

  • Gorilla Shaman gives you access to ruining all your opponents non-creature stuff (most notably/easily, their lands), and also provides a body to swing with when the coast-is-clear.

  • Embereth Shieldbreaker is a 1-mana destroy spell, which you can later turn into a creature to deal damage.

  • Ancient Grudge kills 2 artifacts for the price of 1 spell.

  • Reclamation Sage and/or Knight of Autumn can peel back an artifact on entry, provide bodies to attack with, and can be abused with the likes of Ephemerate

  • Also, while Collector Ouphe doesn't specifically destroy an artifact, you can use it to effectively turn off your opponents lands (make them artifacts before they draw), which will certainly help mess up what they're trying to do.

Profet93 on Killing Lands to go smack

2 months ago

Idk much about pauper but have you considered adding some removal in the form of Lightning Bolt? Swapping some of your looting effects for bolts seems ideal.

I understand you want to fill your GY but faithless looting is virtual card disadvantage. You get your choice of cards but it doesn't replace itself like thrill of possibility. Flashback is nice, but without any actual card advantage, it's likely that you will run out of gas fairly quickly. Idk any actual card advantage in green thats a common.

Sideboard Card?: Ancient Grudge

Invasive Species - Seems like its only good with springbloom. I dont feel invasive species is a right fit for your build given your lack of ETB creatures. Have you considered swapping it with any of the following....

Rancor - Repeatable pump is nice

Basking Rootwalla - Madness is synergy and it can be pumped

Elvish Visionary - Only draw I know in green pauper. I think running 2-4 of these could be helpful. You really do need draw, badly.

Garruk's Companion - 3/2 trample for seems pretty good. Paired with Rancor or the muscle bursts, it can put in some serious work. Casting cost is slightly hard, but could be worth it IMO.

Mire Boa - Aside from sac, exile and -X/-X effects, it will be hard to get rip of this snake. Hiss at your opponents when you attack with it for extra fun

Overall its a solid build. +1. Be sure to lmk what you think of each suggestion.

DemonDragonJ on Innistrad: Midnight Hunt and Crimson …

2 months ago

So, Liesa has returned? I wonder how she came back to life, and how Sigarda shall react to that?

Fleshtaker and Diregraf rebirth are both very awesome cards, so I hope that I can find room for them in one of my decks.

Why is sludge monster not an ooze, and why is it blue, when most oozes are black and green?

I like how faithful mending references Faithless Looting, so it also would be nice to see a reference to Ancient Grudge, as well.

Croaking counterpart would make more sense on Eldraine or Lorwyn, but it still is a humorous card that is an interesting twist on Cackling Counterpart.

keizerbuns on Modern Giants

4 months ago

zapyourtumor haha that's cause it was based off my standard version of this deck, Giant Trouble in Little Standard. I made this into a modern deck just cause I really liked the combo of Hamletback Goliath and Surtland Flinger .

I didn't want to add too many non-creature spells or else I totally would've added a few more burn spells like Lightning Bolt in here. I have thought about cutting out green but I also like how well Beanstalk Giant combos with Surtland Flinger. Plus it enables me to get Hamletback Goliath out on turn 4 by playing Invasion of the Giants turn 2, Beanstalk Giant turn 3, then my big boi turn 4, which is always fun.

I really like Ancient Grudge as a replacement to Sunder Shaman so I'm definitely gonna do that! And I agree that Vanquisher's Banner could be cut, but it's tons of fun when I do get it out and I'm mostly just playing this deck casually, not so much competitively.

Also, I do really like Stinkdrinker Daredevil , however it would end up dying to my own Battle of Frost and Fire so I'm not so sure I would want it in there. Crush Underfoot isn't too bad, but Squash is just a bit more consistent in damage and it combos well with the last ability of Battle of Frost and Fire .

I never noticed Inferno Titan and Frost Titan when I made this deck so they might both be worth looking into! I did have Crystalline Giant in this deck originally but I took it out cause it felt too inconsistent and I needed room for Surtland Flinger and Hamletback Goliath haha. Thundercloud Shaman is also definitely worth playtesting in place of Battle of Frost and Fire so I'll have to try that out too.

Thanks for all of your suggestions, they were really well thought out and very helpful! :D

zapyourtumor on Modern Giants

4 months ago

This looks a lot more like a standard deck than a modern one. I'd probably either switch to standard/pioneer or add some modern upgrades (for example a playset of Lightning Bolt ).

Also, I'd suggest cutting green for only two colors, since trying to make a smooth 3 color manabase on a budget is miserable and probably impossible. I don't think Beanstalk Giant is good enough to merit this pain. For the sideboard, you also don't need green for Sunder Shaman . Even though its a nice giant card for your artifact destruction, it costs four mana and doesn't even have an immediate board impact so it won't destroy anything until turn 5. Against most artifact decks you would much rather have Ancient Grudge .

Vanquisher's Banner is only a singleton, costs ten bucks, and is an especially slow card even in an already slow deck; I'd definitely cut this.

To help accelerate into your slow giants, I'd run 4x Stinkdrinker Daredevil . Crush Underfoot doesn't seem too good to be honest, since it doesn't really stall the early game when you most need removal, but it might work okay.

Inferno Titan and Frost Titan are both great giant cards, especially the first one. Crystalline Giant is a nice cheaper 3 drop giant, since you probably want to lower your mana curve a bit. Thundercloud Shaman is a nice wipe.

Happy brewing :]

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