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|Ravnica Allegiance: Mythic Edition (RNAMED)||Mythic Rare|
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Karn, Scion of Urza
Legendary Planeswalker — Karn
+1: Reveal the top two cards of your library. An opponent chooses one of them. Put that card into your hand and exile the other with a silver counter on it.
-1: Put a card you own with a silver counter on it from exile into your hand.
-2: Create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with "This creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control."
Karn, Scion of Urza Discussion
1 month ago
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but Timesifter happens to be one of the dumbest cards to run in colorless EDH. Most other decks are going to be doing their best to keep their curves reasonable, but since you have just buckets of colorless mana-producers your curve is going to run very high. If you run Sensei's Divining Top too, you can probably take around 80 percent of the extra turns.
Sculpting Steel is an excellent way to copy whatever your biggest mana-producer is.
I've never liked the tron lands in EDH. My reasoning is mainly that the reward is too difficult to obtain in a singleton, ninety-nine card deck, and that running more non-basics leaves you more open to attack from Back to Basics , Ruination and Wasteland . Many colorless decks already run a lot of non-basics, but you don't want to run more than you have to. I also think you're running a few too many lands, since you're also (ideally) going to be getting a lot of mana from your rocks. I think you should just do a straight trade of the tron lands for other accelerants.
There're also a few other colorless lands to consider. Cryptic Caves , I think, is better than Seraph Sanctuary ; typically you'd only gain one-ish life off the latter, and the ability to cycle Cryptic Caves late game can be very relevant. Ancient Tomb is a BOMB in most decks, especially colorless ones; if you have the ability to acquire it, run it. Thespian's Stage or Vesuva can copy a good land you want more of; Thespian's Stage is especially funny if you run Dark Depths , which also happens to interact favorably with your Mirage Mirror . Also Blast Zone . And Scorched Ruins .
In general, you want to run more two-mana rocks and fewer three-mana rocks. I don't like Pristine Talisman , Seer's Lantern , etc. simply because if you ran two-mana rocks instead, you could land the rock turn two, untap, play a land, and then land a four-mana spell like Thran Dynamo or Hedron Archive . There're enough two-mana rocks you can run in a colorless deck that I think you may find yourself playing a turn behind where you could be, unnecessarily. Some examples: Thought Vessel , Coldsteel Heart , Everflowing Chalice , Fellwar Stone , Grim Monolith (if you're rich) and Hedron Crawler ... I think replacing the aforementioned and other three-mana rocks with some of these is definitely worth trying. If you wanted, Metalworker is probably the best three-mana dork-rock ever made, though he is around $50 these days.
Tamiyo's Journal and Oracle's Vault are good ways to generate card-advantage in colorless decks. Same goes for Staff of Nin , Mind's Eye (which goes well with Victory Chimes , if you want to leave that in) and Karn, Scion of Urza .
My last suggestion's relevance will depend largely upon your moral compass. I have no issue being a grade-A douche in games, since they're just games, and a good person in important matters; you might feel otherwise. Stax, if you're like me, is the way to go with colorless decks that makes them way better, mainly because you have so much more mana than anyone else at the table can make. Consider some or all of the following: Lodestone Golem , Trinisphere , Thorn of Amethyst , Sphere of Resistance , Chalice of the Void (to be cast on X = 1), Winter Orb (especially good with your rocks and if you run something like Clock of Omens ... Relic of Progenitus is good against a lot of decks, and can cycle for a card when it isn't. Grafdigger's Cage is similar. Finally, you may have luck with Tangle Wire , although that can isn't at its best in the modern day.
Right. Good luck!
3 months ago
Imho the best cards that are really going to be the ones that win games for this kind of deck are Steel Overseer , Karn, Scion of Urza , and Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge . I mean no disrespect by saying that a lot of the other cards really aren't that good; it's just the reality of the card pool you have to work with in Standard.
One thing that all 3 of them have in common is that they reward you for having as many artifact creatures in play as possible. So my recommendation would be to adopt a go-wide strategy to fuel your breadwinners, and the best engines for that would probably be Saheeli, Sublime Artificer and Dovin, Grand Arbiter . Sai, Master Thopterist could be good as well with enough actual artifacts in the deck, but it would be tough to strike the right balance between the different demands of Saheeli, Sai, and Steel Overseer, so if I had to pick one to leave out it would be Sai, since that will allow you to keep the mediocre artifact creatures to a minimum & focus more on the powerful planeswalkers that generate tokens. Since I mentioned Dovin, Depose / Deploy is another good White card that could contribute to this strategy.
3 months ago
3 months ago
Cards I run in affinity that could help you here:
Master of Etherium : would be a 5/5 then get the +whatever/+whatever, plus pump your team
Karn, Scion of Urza : Can either be card draw or create tokens that when enchanted become at least 6/6's
Springleaf Drum : Especially w/ Memnite , can make insane starts by going Ornithopter , Ornithopter , Memnite , land, Springleaf Drum Springleaf Drum , Signal Pest . Just allows for more explosive nut draws.
Memnite : See above.
Cranial Plating : Easy to make your stuff huge quick.
Inventors' Fair : Keep your life high and be able to tutor for specific artifacts
Blinkmoth Nexus : Another artifact land
Cards you should consider cutting:
Tezzeret the Schemer : Inefficient removal, and the ult will never happen.
This is just my 2 cents, I hope you take these into considerati
3 months ago
- Chandra, Fire Artisan
- Chandra, Pyromaster
- Karn Liberated
- Karn, Scion of Urza
- Rowan Kenrith - Ugin, the Ineffable
- Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion
- Cavalier of Flame
- Seasoned Pyromancer
- Chandra's Regulator
3 months ago
Icbrgr: I think metal-craft/artifact Skred is interesting with New Karn, Scion of Urza , I might want to try it out if we get more options going forward.
lukas96: What do you think then of Chandra? I feel if anything she can be removed for new Chandra, Awakened Inferno when she's released as a solid one of, despite the cost might be good for slower metas.
The sideboard I can also see cleaning out Dragon's Claw , what would you put in? SSG seems very good for exploding on slower opponents, and meeting matches against unfair decks, Its solid all around so I can't see dropping him.
4 months ago
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The only functional difference I can see between Karn, Scion of Urza 's tokens and Voice of Resurgence 's tokens is if something were to set base P/T. Voice's tokens would be whatever the new effect set the P/T to and Karn's would be new base plus the buff from the static ability. The minutiae of the rules makes lot of things that appear the same at first glance slightly functionally different. I'm not sure why design chooses one over another, I am just familiar enough with subtle interactions to know what the difference means. Also, you are correct about what CDA means.
4 months ago
, now I understand the difference, but what about tokens? Why would the tokens that Karn, Scion of Urza generates use the static ability rather than the CDA?
Karn, Scion of Urza occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.02%