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One with Nature
Enchantment — Aura
Whenever enchanted creature deals combat damage to a player, you may search your library for a basic land card and put that card into play tapped. Then shuffle your library.
1 month ago
Cool! I played a very similar deck back in the saga block! My one question is why you include so many auras that give trample when your threats already naturally have it? I might cut some of the more expensive auras that are redundant like tiger claws and add good cheap enchantments that add mana and will keep you drawing cards with your enchantresses. Id definitely play 4 Utopia Sprawl and consider Mark of Sakiko One with Nature and possibly Concordant Crossroads. Sweet deck though.
4 months ago
As a backup Voltron target in the 99, have you thought about Kosei, Penitent Warlord? It's a lot of hassles, but many Green Voltron decks already have all 3 parts in it. Not sure if you find you need a backup though!
Any reason you don't use Colossification in here? It's a ton of mana, but if you've already got Hexproof, you play it and next turn you swing with an unblockable 24 power Commander, which sounds pretty good. It's pretty pricey, but Blade of Selves is pretty cool with Unblockable. You don't need very much ramp in your deck I suppose, but Mark of Sakiko exists, as does One with Nature.
Is your Commander high enough power usually to justify a Return of the Wildspeaker or Rishkar's Expertise type effect? 4 power is a bit low, but if you consistently have 6-8 power, they are probably worth a look. I also like War Room and Bonders' Enclave as ways to draw more cards at relatively low deck building cost.
Just had a laugh, was going to say 'Take out Harmonize!', then I saw which art it was and I actually like that art a lot, so kudos! Great work here, the spellslinger emphasis is interesting/refreshing.
5 months ago
Hey, well done first attempt on a budget.
Something to consider is taking more advantage of Ukkima being unblockable for repeatable draw when it does combat damage to an opponent and the draw takes no additional mana which is key. These kind draw options could replace some of the mutate creatures since they're only consistently going to trigger once when you mutate Ukkima.
Yes, you could mutate Ukkima again, but you don't have enough mutate creatures for that to consistently happen and most mutate takes a lot of mana which is really not worth it. You're more likely to do combat damage to a player with Ukkima then to mutate since all you have to do is attack. Some mutate creatures are better than others such as Sea-Dasher Octopus and Gemrazer.
- Keen Sense --> Mindleecher
- Curiosity --> Pouncing Shoreshark
- Sea-Dasher Octopus --> Dreamtail Heron
- Mask of Memory --> Cavern Whisperer
- Whispering Madness --> Auspicious Starrix
- Reconnaissance Mission --> Souvenir Snatcher
- Gemrazer --> Insatiable Hemophage
To take advantage of mutate with Ukkima you really want ways to return Ukkima to your hand since that will also return all the mutate creatures if they're mutated to Ukkima such as Crystal Shard. This lets you cast all the mutate creatures again to get the mutate effects again. I don't think it's worth including these effects, but they're options to make Ukkima better with mutate. Repeatable draw gives you more card advantage without having to jump through hoops or spend a lot of mana.
It's helpful in Commander when you have at least 10 draw sources and at least 10 ramp sources to make gameplay smoother. I tend to have more than 10 sources of each of these, but start with 10. Sources that are repeatable are most important. Some more ramp could be added replacing some of the lesser creatures.
- One with Nature --> Vorapede
- Incubation Druid --> Master Thief
- Farseek --> Masked Admirers
- Fertile Ground --> Treeshaker Chimera
- Woodland Chasm --> Jungle Hollow
- Rimewood Falls --> Woodland Stream
Woodland Chasm and Rimewood Falls are budget lands that Farseek can search for, it can also search for Sunken Hollow. It's nice when 2 mana land ramp can get a dual land rather than just a basic land.
Masked Admirers is draw and it can be repeatable, but it's draw one card the first time for 4 mana and then combined for 6 mana each time after which is very lackluster. Treeshaker Chimera is also draw, but it's also 7 mana who wants to attack and hopefully die to draw, that's too much to draw three cards.
You could expand on the theme of +1/+1 counters with Forgotten Ancient. Who repeatedly puts a counter on itself each time any player casts a spell and then at your upkeep you can move any amount of counters from it to other creatures you control. The act of moving counters is the same as putting the counters on other creatures which triggers Simic Ascendancy.
- Forgotten Ancient --> Glowstone Recluse
Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
Cool. Have you played it much? How does it fare against mono blue control, stax control, and pillow fort?
I wonder if there is a better alternative to Exploration, considering you are running light on lands and do not have particularly great card draw. I run it in a few cEDH decks but am Usually disappointed in the outcome.
Maybe something along the lines of One with Nature if you can get a creature through. Even something like Manabond may be better considering that it ramps harder earlier and you will be relying on your commander to tutor cards anyways.
Also, how do you expect to achieve the massive acceleration afforded by Cradle and Nykthos with Damping Sphere in play?
You may consider abandoning that entirely.
Since you run GSZ, you should run Dryad Arbor for a competitive edge.
Since you run Top and Mirri’s Guile, why not run at least a couple fetch lands if for nothing else but an occasional shuffle. I understand that Yisan should shuffle your library, but I can imagine many scenarios in which that won’t be an option and you will still need to search for answers.
I’m not worried about Veil of Summer—-I’d just hit it with another free counter or Dispel.
I think without proper protection, this deck would have a big problem with any mono-blue control (even on a $75 budget!)
Not trying to be harsh—-I really like the deck—-just trying to give you some insight about the weaknesses I perceive and how I’d exploit them if I were your opponent.
I hope this helps.
1 year ago
Your list looks great. Personally I would make the following swaps:
Llanowar Tribe -> Ulvenwald Tracker
Scute Swarm -> Primal Rage
Nissa's Pilgrimage -> Stampede
Karametra's Acolyte -> Rancor
Fierce Empath -> Siege Behemoth
Back to Nature -> Setessan Training
Cultivate -> Hunter's Prowess
Commander's Sphere -> Harvest Season
Farhaven Elf -> One with Nature
Migratory Greathorn -> Baru, Fist of Krosa
Adventurous Impulse -> Executioner's Hood
Mwonvuli Beast Tracker -> Nightshade Peddler
Rampant Growth -> Mask of Memory
Manglehorn -> Rogue's Gloves
1 Forest -> Skeleton Key
1 Forest -> Animation Module
1 year ago
1 year ago
One with Nature could also be a sweet potential replacement for any of the above; additionally, if you're in the market for more removal, On Thin Ice isn't a poor option if you're willing to opt for a snow mana base; neither is Journey to Nowhere . My strongest recommendation, however, is One with Nature ; the only issue with it is that you already likely need your commander down and getting in hits for it to trigger and ramp you/find basics.
2 years ago
Epidilius, I would disagree that Mana Crypt and Mana Vault "should" be on every ramp list, but for different reasons. Mana Crypt, when played in a regular deck, only results in an opponent losing more life, both from the inherent lifeloss ability and the response from opponents. Mana Crypt and Necropotence are the two cards I think of immediately when it comes to this type of effect. So while Mana Crypt definitely fulfills the role of ramp, the fact that it more often pushes decks towards losing rather than winning (in regular Commander, as my lists aren't designed to be used for cEDH) makes it excluded from the list.
On the other hand, Mana Vault doesn't actually ramp, it's more akin to a ritual. The fact that it doesn't untap itself means it's essentially a Dark Ritual for decks without black.
Regarding creatures, artifact wipes and MLD are nowhere near as common as creature-destroying wipes. That likelihood is a huge factor! Sword of Feast and Famine is not something that dies to a board wipe, whereas One with Nature does when the enchanted creature dies. The difference is that Sword of Feast and Famine can equip to any creature, and if that creature dies, you don't lose access to the card giving you the ramp (you only lose access to the ramp itself if you don't have any haste enablers). In my experience, those factors makes Sword of Feast and Famine a much more reliable source of ramp than Llanowar Elves.
Ultimately, my point is that these are all the ramp cards I would possibly recommend to someone. The other cards might as well not even exist.
arcane_trouper, you make a good point about life loss per mana made, but the difference between Mana Crypt and Carnival of Souls is that your multiple opponents are definitely likely to focus on making sure you don't win when you play a Mana Crypt than if you played a Carnival of Souls. They usually do that by attacking you for more damage and/or using spot removal/counterspells on your cards more often. That's why I found that Mana Crypt led to more losses than wins, and ultimately why it didn't fit on this list. That said, Carnival of Souls also needs to go!
Since you asked about my math, here it is: If the game ends on turn 10.29 (number from a recent video from Command Zone, which is very close to the number I got from analyzing the games present on my YouTube channel, where three opponents played whatever Commander decks and cards they want), then getting a Mana Crypt out on turn 1 gives you 9.29 flips. Each flip makes you lose an average of 1.5 life, so 9.29 multiplied by 1.5 is 13.935, and that divided by 40 is about 34.8%. Doing the same math for 8.29 and 7.29 (playing it on turn two or turn three, respectively) gives you the other two percentages.
progresso, actually, if you watch the video in the disclaimer, you'll see the mathematical reason why your statement is false.
Also, this should be pretty clear by now, this list is made up of cards I recommend for a specific result informed primarily by a mathematical approach at calculating the best tactical decisions and secondarily by comparing the results of employing tactical decisions in line with those calculations to the results of employing traditional strategy. That leaves no room for community consensus to override that research.