Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Each opponent mills eight cards. If this spell was kicked, instead each opponent mills half their library, rounded up.
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Maddening Cacophony Discussion
1 day ago
I'm not sure what format this is for, but in any case I assume 60 cards is what you should be aiming for here. While 62 might not seem like much of a concession, its going to make your draws worse overall.
Akroma's Memorial feels quite pointless here, by the time you've reached 7 mana you've already either won or lost the game. This card feels like a "win more" scenario. I would say Alrund's Epiphany also fits into the same scenario, it requires an obscene amount of mana and doesn't really help you at all if you're behind, and won't change the outcome of the game if you're already ahead.
I think you need some way to ramp up to Thrumming Stone... perhaps Dark Ritual helps here? Also you really want to be running more Relentless Rats to reliably trigger the stone... I'd suggest 1/3rd of your deck be Relentless Rats instead of 1/4.
27 lands feels excessive, even with the large cmc spells mentioned above. I'd drop down to 22-23, and add Dark Ritual.
This on face value looks like a deck themed around getting out lots of Relentless Rats... which is why i'm surprised by some of your choices. The mill cards of Maddening Cacophony and Ashiok, Dream Render don't serve any purpose here as they're not enough on their own to ever mill out an opponent. I understand that Phenax, God of Deception might give you some ability to mill with the rats, but in 99% of cases you can just win by attacking with the rats... maybe just run a single copy of Phenax, God of Deception so you can Demonic Tutor for it if your opponent has something like Ensnaring Bridge in play?
1 week ago
I appreciate you looking in. I agree that Drown in the Loch is an absolutely amazing card - one of my favorites in a long time, actually. But I've got Maddening Cacophony to mill 8 vs. the 10 that Glimpse would give me which is not a very big difference in the grand scheme of things, meaning that I'm basically adding in black solely to take advantage of Drowned... and it's just not worth it to set up the occasional mana issues in the early game imo. Especially when it means I have to start re-thinking Sanity Grinding and Fractured Sanity.
The name of the game is speed with this deck and it just runs faster as mono-blue. I can't make it smoother than that.
1 week ago
Ugh... I HATE how we can't edit posts after the fact. I meant to ask in the above post if the deck would be better off with the counters or leaning into the speed of the mill and going with something like Maddening Cacophony, Tome Scour and Thought Scour in those slots as well?
1 week ago
And honestly, no workable variant of this deck for the Voidwalker? Just seems like an potentially potent combo to me.
1 week ago
The version of the deck you're talking about (well, MY version of the version of the deck you're talking about) can be found below. I think it's pretty strong right now, though any specific recommendations would be welcome - there are a number of other options I'm considering for those Maddening Cacophony slots, including Thought Scour, Mind Funeral, Tasha's Hideous Laughter and Tome Scour. I was also trying to decide whether the Thoughtseize / Inquisition of Kozilek suite might provide better value than Mana Leak / Counterspell.
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I'm in agreement with you about Fraying Sanity, the trap of 'win more' is one I'm always on the lookout for. On the other hand, I've found value in the past of building a deck with more than one way to win, and backdooring a legitimate option through damage isn't something I want to discount right off the bat. Judicious use of the sideboard can allow you to shift the deck towards one option or the other in the 2nd & 3rd game, depending on what you're seeing across the board. Jace's Phantasm and Dauthi Voidwalker are excellent options in that regard and you can get some crazy value out of those mills for the latter.
1 week ago
Morning, all :)
I've been playing around with Dimir mill in the Modern format, buoyed in part by the excellent Drown in the Loch. At the moment I'm looking at two approaches; the first is a sort of 'suicide mill' where the focus is less on interaction and more on running them out at all costs. At the moment I just can't seem to get it fast enough, so it's the weaker option.
The second, and the one I'm asking for help with, is a more meta-mill sort of deck, leaning on tempo and control while gradually milling. This deck will have a lot more interaction, including a number of creatures and would be as likely to win through damage as forcing the last draw.
For this deck concept I can't get it out of my head that Dauthi Voidwalker doesn't present a load of interesting opportunities, with cards like Glimpse the Unthinkable and Maddening Cacophony dumping tons of cards into what would be the graveyard. The Voidwalker is actually massively problematic in its synergy (or lack thereof) with many traditional mill cards as it keeps those cards from going into the graveyard and therefor often leaving options like Jace's Phantasm and Visions of Beyond depowered. Still, I can't help but think it has some potential, and there are plenty of match-ups where exiling cards is preferred to sending them into the graveyard.
Has anyone tried to used the Voidwalker in this way? Is it a fool's errand to even try in a competitive deck? Are there any good examples of a more controller-y Dimir mill deck that anyone would like to offer? I'd really like to try to make this competitive and most of my past experience with milling is mono-red land destruction that denies land draws via Grindclock or Codex Shredder + Lantern of Insight.
I did play an earlier version of this deck once in a local tournament and have one of my favorite 'Magic moments' ever - watching my opponent sac a fetch land on the opening play and in response popping an Archive Trap and then a Surgical Extraction, absolutely wrecking his combo deck and watching him scoop before I had even gotten a chance to play my turn. Ever since then I've wanted to make a serious go at this.
Thanks in advance.
2 weeks ago
I really like how you have your deck synergize well with your graveyard. Normally I would cringe seeing Mesmeric Orb in a deck, but you made it work to your advantage.
I don't think you need to replace spells with lands as much as find spells with a lower mana cost. For example, Visara is a good card, but in my opinion the cost is too high to justify for a non-Rogue creature. Have you considered replacing her with either Nighthowler (you can attach it to Consuming Aberration and give it some protection from players exiling their own graveyards), a tutor card (such as Demonic Tutor or Mastermind's Acquisition) or even a counter spell (such as Didn't Say Please, Psychic Strike or Thought Collapse). Another example is Mirko Vosk. It goes well with your overall strategy, but for the same amount of mana Mind Grind can get around opponents with Hexproof despite milling one less land and you can cast sooner if necessary.
As for lands, unless you intend on adding Amulet of Vigor and Ghirapur Orrery at a later date, Having Coral Atoll and Everglades could do your strategy more harm than good since you have to remove other lands from the battlefield only for them to be tapped upon entering. If you choose to add Amulet of Vigor and Ghirapur Orrery, may I also suggest adding Dimir Aqueduct? If you choose to replace Coral Atoll and Everglade, May I suggest lands that allow you to search for lands including, but not limited to, Esper Panorama and Terramorphic Expanse?
Thank you for reading me out. I hope this helps. Happy Hunting!
2 weeks ago
great list, I also own a Bruvac deck very similar to yours, I'm using petitioners but at this point, I do not own a Thrumming Stone.
In your list you do not run some cards like:
More ramp - Sapphire Medallion,Arcane Signet, Mind Stone, your land count is few 33, and only 3 ramp rock, no artifact tutors, I think will be hard sometimes to have 6 mana to cast Maddening Cacophony and kill all the table or recast Bruvac more times.
Protection - You ran 10 counterspells but not Lightning Greaves effects
What is your opinion about Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter combo? it needs rocks to be infinite, but cheaper than Intruder Alarm + Thrumming Stone. I do not run it now, but I was thinking on make some room in the deck for it.
Back to Basics will be a great inclusion in your deck. Since I'm not running Thrumming Stone I have only 23 Petitioners, but I'm planning to remove some cards to reach at least 25, and take advantage of cards like Herald's Horn that I also ran on the deck.