Ashiok, Dream Render
Legendary Planeswalker — Ashiok
Spells and abilities your opponents control can't cause their controller to search their library.
-1: Target player puts the top four cards of their library into their graveyard. Then exile each opponent's graveyard.
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|Secret Lair (SLD)||Uncommon|
|War of the Spark (WAR)||Uncommon|
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- Ashiok, Dream Render + Phenax, God of Deception
- Ashiok, Dream Render + Narset, Parter of Veils + Teferi, Time Raveler
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Ashiok, Dream Render occurrence in decks from the last year
Ashiok, Dream Render Discussion
1 week ago
Well, I don't really like Sorin Markov, it strikes me more as a lighting rod for removal rather than an actual piece to advance your gameplan. I'd much rather see an Ashiok, Dream Render or Narset, Parter of Veils to stop tutors/graveryard strategies or mass draw. Still, it's a meta call, if your playgroup has a lot of lifegain strategies, Sorin becomes a powerhouse!
2 weeks ago
I did consider going more towards the mill route and Sphinx's Tutelage with Ashiok, Dream Render in the maybe board is a pretty good alternative. I went with more bounce rather than destruction because the deck is mostly blue, but I am open to suggestions, which destruction cards would you recommend?
2 weeks ago
ZendikariWol Fully agreed, I mean, in the case of effects like conspiracy or other cards that break the fundamentals of the format, ofc too. I think this is the equivalent to Prophet of Kruphix however, it will be around for a while, always will be problematic, and then eventually will be banned. A few people may be upset, as they liked it a lot, but most people will admit it was ban worthy.
Metroid_Hybrid I'm not sure if you are serious, that card not only is a bad answer because if you draw it after OA hits you are screwed, but unlike PE or PoK, isn't cheaper to cast than OA, nor did it ever affect those cards not being banned. Nevermore is always such a bad card it's never been considered for any card's banning, despite always having been an option.
plakjekaas Really interesting points here, and honestly diving deeper into the lines of play w/ and against Drannith Magistrate are amazing. While it stops the cast of cards stolen with the Agent, it doesn't stop the stealing itself, so if they both die, the Agent player then gets access to all of those cards.
Weirdly enough, by only stopping the cast, Agent players do get to play lands they steal, just an interesting point.
Drannith Magistrate also locks out one of the 3 main avenues of card advantage in EDH, Commanders, where it works so well with Agent, that if one opponent has an Agent, and the other has a Magistrate, the two remaining players are screwed w/ card draw outside of the CZ/tutoring. Itd seemingly favor the Agent player slightly from there, but it'd be akin to Armageddoning the stax player so they can't cast another Sphere of Resistance. It works, but it's a bad idea unless you can abuse the new, harsher lock better than they can, without the help from the people you locked out, or with the downside of those people targeting you and the Agent player.
Really interesting, is that with a Hullbreacher/Narset, Parter of Veils/Notion Thief, Ashiok, Dream Render/Opposition Agent, and a Drannith Magistrate, the game is much worse off, because there are no forms of card advantage that easily slip through, with the inherent card advantage of a card(s, with partner) that you can recast over and over being lost.
Overall I think Magistrate both supports and hurts Agent to the point both will be run and I'm honestly down to see how insane that'll be!
Finally, I do want to mention the best answer that I've found works pretty well so far, though is a little inconsistent. Oko, Thief of Crowns shows very promising results so far, it acts as a card that until removed just stops people from casting Agents at all. It's a powerful, already run, repeatable answer that an Unearth or Reanimate won't stop, but like Drannith Magistrate does make locks with OA harsher.
2 weeks ago
Yea, you are absolutely overreacting. Is it kinda dumb that it steals your opponent's tutors? Yea. But you'll probably only get 1 off of it when you flash it in. And it could literally get killed in response. Its not as bas as it looks. Opposition Agent is fine. Dumb, but fine. Play counterspells, play removal, pay attention to your opponent's having open mana, or just Rule 0 it with your playgroup if you all hate it.
The ONLY thing I'm ACTUALLY a bit worried about is Maralen of the Mornsong. Maralen I could see getting a ban just so that we can avoid another Leovold situation. Opposition Agent alone isn't "the most disgusting card ever printed", but when you can't draw, can't tutor, you're slowly killing yourself, and your opponent gets to play everyone else's cards, NO ONE is going to want to play against that. Its like if they made a Commander that's intentionally designed to Mindslaver Lock you.
Maralen has never really seen a lot of play in the past because she's basically self-defeating since your opponent gets to tutor first and can simply find whatever piece of removal they want to kill Maralen. Cards like Shadow of Doubt, Leonin Arbiter, Aven Mindcensor, Stranglehold, and Ashiok, Dream Render ALREADY exist, but the difference is that none of them have been playable in a mono black deck with Maralen before.
So the real problem is that Opposition Agent should have been Blue/Black like Notion Thief, or IMO, ABSOLUTELY should have been a WHITE card. One of the few unique parts of White's color pie is hatebears. And Opposition Agent would have been a great piece of card advantage for white, similar to Alms Collector, which isn't nearly as good as it sounds since it doesn't trigger from multiple singular draws, but only if 2 or more are drawn at once from the same effect.
Opposition Agent otherwise has the same problem as Hullbreacher does. Its just going to die to removal immediately. You might get a bit of value from it, but once its out, no one is going to choose to tutor or draw extra cards until its gone. So you get some immediate value from it, and then its basically just another hatebear.
Hullbreacher is NOT Smothering Tithe. Smothering Tithe triggers on EVERY draw and it tricks you with the option of paying for it, even though few people ever want to, much like Rhystic Study. You still get to draw all the cards you want, someone else just gets a little extra benefit for it. It doesn't actually harm you unless you choose to pay for it. That's why its so good, it flies under the radar. Its why people will kill a Platinum Angel or Blazing Archon on sight, but don't really care about that Ghostly Prison even though they're both keeping you from getting attacked. One has an optional work-around, its just inconvenient enough to disuade people from doing it.
IMO, Opposition Agent should have been white, and it should have fit along the same lines as Smothering Tithe. Something like, "Flash, Whenever an opponent searches their library, you may also search your library for a card, unless that opponent pays 2. If you do, put it into your hand and shuffle." This way you're just taxing your opponents' tutors, or profiting off of them yourself.
People have said it before, but Rhystic Study should ABSOLUTELY have been a white card, and this would have been a cool way to do it, much like how Beast Within breaks green's color pie, so it was colorshifted to white in Modern Horizons as Generous Gift.
3 weeks ago
VampDemigod no, I didn't forget. Are you aware that there are at least four somewhat playable cards that hate on fetches?
What's one more? This is EDH. OppAgent will likely replace Ashiok, or Praetor's Grasp, or be used in addition if someone wants to go all-in on an Esper "nope" deck. I mean, we can already stax out the entire board really early with all sorts of degenerate cards like Winter Orb. I don't think "nobody at all can tutor" is more powerful than "nobody gets lands".
1 month ago
Hi Vinman. I am here from your comment on my Competitive UB mill modern (2020 short guide). For the SB i suggest u to remove Hurkyl's Recall cuz was a counter for affinity deck, but now is out of meta, so it's a dead sb card. Spellskite is a strange card for mill, why are u playing it? Why are u playing Trapmaker's Snare in sb? It is good only if u play Ravenous Trap. You can't play Lurrus of the Dream-Den if u play Ashiok, Dream Render cuz of the ruling of lurrus; so you have to choose, or lurrus or ashiok. Remove Nature's Claim cuz you don't play greed lands :). Ensnaring Bridge is a good SB card, add Damnation or Bontu's Last Reckoning for a mass removal. You need something for gaining life (Cling to Dust in my opinion is not enough), I suggest you to put in some Crypt Incursion or Profane Memento. I suggest you to remove Ghost Quarter and add 2 more Field of Ruin becouse fields force your oppo to search and proc landfall of your crabs. I suggest u to remove 2 Watery Grave and add 2 Darkslick Shores so you don't lose too mutch HP early. Hope I helped u :)
1 month ago
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1 month ago
Love the deck. I just recently got back into my UB Mill deck since there have been more printings to help it. I have the main board, but I'm struggling with a sidebaord and could use some help and guidance. I know I want Lurrus of the Dream-Den and Ashiok, Dream Render. Any advice would be apprecaited. UB MILL