Kaalia of the Vast
Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever Kaalia of the Vast attacks an opponent, you may put an Angel, Demon, or Dragon creature card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped and attacking that opponent.
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Kaalia of the Vast Discussion
3 weeks ago
EDH was created by judges, who after long days of running big tournaments, wanted to play some magic, but not the magic they had been observing and correcting all day. So they made some 3-color singleton (Highlander) decks, commanded by one of the original Shard-colored legendary Dragons from Legends: Arcades Sabboth , Chromium , Nicol Bolas , Palladia-Mors or Vaevictis Asmadi . 5 Elder Dragons, all 7 power. If you got hit 3 times by one of these, you'd lose the game, regardless of your life total. Elder Dragon Highlander, 21 commander damage is lethal.
This resulted in a casual, fun-oriented, table kitchen style of playing magic. Wizards does know that only a very tiny percentage of their player base is actually playing in sanctioned tournaments in established formats. By far the most Magic players are casual kitchen table players that play the game to have fun, beating their friends, not the world. EDH as a format will speak more to those players than to the PTQ- and pro tour-grinding players. Believe me, the top16 GP players at my LGS usually cower in fear when someone suggests to play a game of EDH.
Wizards knows all this and has been printing cards for specifically that casual multiplayer format for the past 10 years now. The first Commander (Wizards' legally safe name for exactly the same format as EDH is) Set came out in 2011 and gave us mainstay generals like Animar, Soul of Elements , Ghave, Guru of Spores , Kaalia of the Vast , Zedruu the Greathearted and The Mimeoplasm .
What has changed, is that more and more people use EDH as their main way of playing magic. Wizards is a company, to keep existing, they need to make money. So when Commander took over from Standard and Modern as the most popular to spend your Friday Night Magic, Wizards found a way to accommodate their finances accordingly. By including cards that work better for multiplayer than for competitive constructed formats in every single set, they ensure every set will be a financial success.
So the whole hipster "I liked commander before every set had specific cards for it"-attitude is understandable, but not at all useful in the world we live in. We made this format the most massively enjoyed format around the world. By making it that successful, we changed how the company makes its money. As long as those cards sell, we will get more splashy multiplayer nonsense, Arcane Signet s, Jeweled Lotus , etc. And that is why green is the kingpin of colors in multiplayer/EDH right now. Green is famously the color of ramp. The term "ramp" even originates from the green Rampant Growth . Green is also the color of big monsters. Green is the color of nature, of harmony, the color that lets you do everything you want, while generally not hurting other players' cards.
I'm going to talk in stereotypes for a bit. People think of black and see Murder , Damnation , not a friendly environment for your own stuff. Red will Vandalblast , Blasphemous Act , Jokulhaups your stuff away. White will Wrath of God , Rest in Peace , Swords to Plowshares , while Thalia, Guardian of Thraben makes it harder for you to play your game. Blue will Counterspell and Cyclonic Rift everyone out of the game. Green will just play a bigger beast ( Worldspine Wurm , Craterhoof Behemoth ). Of course I know of all the Beast Within and Krosan Grip removal green has, but you generally will think of green as the least board-controlling color of them all. It will execute its game plan without meddling with yours. Green will let everyone do broken stuff, but will be doing the most stuff itself because of its Abundance of mana and resources. That's the most friendly way to let everyone at the table have the most amount of fun without adjusting your strategy to group hug. No wonder people like playing with and against that.
When people like green, Wizards is inclined to print better green cards, which makes people want to play green more. This is a positive feedback loop that spirals out of control of you're not careful. It's also not specifically a green problem. I think people call it Power Creep. It's part of keeping a dynamic game like Magic interesting. I think a hypothetical future Standard set without any Commander playable cards in it will cause much more of an uproar in the Magic community than Kaldheim ever could. Hate it or love it, but EDH is ingrained in the fabric of magic itself now, and as long as we enjoy EDH, that will not change. I plan to have the most amount of fun with available cards, regardless of color or intended format. Your mileage may vary.
3 weeks ago
I've recently retooled my Karador deck to be less powerful and to focus on more of a toolbox theme. I've constructed this deck to be around 75% (or 7.5/10) mostly to ensure it's not oppressive and to have FUN! Most other decks in my meta are around this power level. I'm using infinite combo's mostly as a backup incase the game drags on too long, so you won't see cards/combo pieces like: Protean Hulk , Boonweaver Giant , Pattern of Rebirth , Academy Rector , etc as they are much too powerful I found out for my playgroup. More on this below -
Link to my deck: Karador Toolbox / Reanimator!
Deck Goal/Objective: The goal of this deck is to be a value-centric reanimator deck. I aims to take over a game with creatures, then grind my way to end and finally reanimating giant monsters to win the game. Again, infitine combos are a means of ending a game that has dragged on for to long, or else can’t be won on the battlefield.
Some background: So Karador was the first deck I created but I realized it was too strong as I based it off of a cEDH deck apparently (minus the expensive land base). It really wasn't fun for anyone to play and not really for myself either. So I've now totally revamped it and included a more reanimator/toolbox route. I'm looking to keep the strength of the deck around 75% - 80%. I'm hoping you guys could give me some feedback on my deck list and let me know if there is anything you think I should cut or suggestions for cards I should add in. Any links to other successful toolbox decks that do not only focus on infinite combos would be great!
About my Playgroup/Meta: So most of the decks in my playgroup are well constructed and I would say are at about 65% - 80% tooled. They are not too powerful but could also do fairly well against more competitive decks if needed. This is mostly to keep everything FUN! lol. From a price point perspective, I would say most decks are anywhere from $200 - $800 in value. Some of the Commanders our playgroup runs are: Zedruu the Greathearted , Atraxa, Praetors' Voice , Atraxa, Praetors' Voice , Korvold, Fae-Cursed King , Lazav, Dimir Mastermind , Chainer, Nightmare Adept , Kaalia of the Vast , Sisay, Weatherlight Captain , Lathliss, Dragon Queen , Sliver Overlord , Mayael the Anima , The Mimeoplasm , and a few others. - So please keep this in mind when making suggestions for additions/cuts to give me an advantage :)
PLEASE ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT MY "MAYBE BOARD". This has cards I cut or I'm unsure if I should include them. Happy to add to the list as well - but any feedback is appreciated!
Please let me know your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks guys!! :)
1 month ago
Delphen is correct. This can actually be taken advantage of with certain cards; for example, Kaalia of the Vast decks will run Rakdos the Defiler and use Kaalia's attack trigger to hit the opponent with Rakdos but not sacrifice half their board in the process.
1 month ago
It's going to be fun and I wonder if this will actually be too powerful? Due to the extensive tutor suite, etc. Though the infinite combo's do take a lot of pieces to pull off. I didn't see it listed but there is also a simple combo you can do w/ Teysa out by having Phyrexian Reclamation, Phyrexian Altar + any of the life drainers (Blood Artist, etc) and sac fodder out (Hunted Witness, Doomed Traveler, etc). Just sac say Haunted Witness and then the tokens it creates (doubled from Teysa), then use Phyrexian Reclamation to put Hunted Witness back into your hand and recast it (from Altar's floating mana) then infinite loop.
Overall, I think it will be strong but not overly strong where I get targeted every game (i.e. target me or I win, etc). Our Meta I would say is anywhere from 50% - 80% optimized (slightly more competitive than straight up "casual"). The general value of decks in play I would say are anywhere from $300 - $800, so this is right around there.
Some of the commander's in our playgroup are: Zedruu the Greathearted, Korvold, Fae-Cursed King, Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, Chainer, Nightmare Adept, Kaalia of the Vast, Sisay, Weatherlight Captain, Mayael the Anima, Feather, the Redeemed, etc - It will be interesting to see how it fare's against these.
RinceRaven on Kaalia
2 months ago
suggestions right now are to get out all the low-impact 4-5 costed 'big' creatures that sit in your hand as a 1/turn spell even when you have 8 mana available and replace them with stuff that either has an actual impact or that helps big stuff come out faster and better.
in: Angel of Serenity, Kaalia of the Vast, Rakshasa Debaser, Dragon Tempest, Lightning Greaves, Rakdos, Lord of Riots, Angel of Condemnation, Worn Powerstone, Thran Dynamo, Herald of War, literally any land.
RinceRaven on Kaalia
2 months ago
Okay so, this comment is kinda unreadable, and I'mma clean this up a bit, order cards together, give my personal thoughts and then repost it, but here's the dump version also so I can work off it myself
Dragon Tempest, Lightning Greaves, Caged Sun, Thran Dynamo, Aura of Silence, Austere Command, Archangel of Thune, Aurelia, the Warleader, Doom Whisperer, Rakdos, Lord of Riots, Sword of the Animist, Dragon's Hoard, Price of Fame, Ob Nixilis, Unshackled, Angel of Serenity, Kaalia of the Vast, Magus of the Moat, Herald of War, Primevals' Glorious Rebirth, Hazoret's Monument, Firemind Vessel, Worn Powerstone, Thundermaw Hellkite, Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury, Lathliss, the Dragon Queen, Karmic Guide, Sower of Discord, Angel of Condemnation, Blade of Selves, Gilded Lotus, Bolas's Citadel, Tainted Remedy, True Conviction, Deafening Silence, Grasp of Fate, Everflowing Chalice, Grafdigger's Cage
2 months ago
Thanks for the feedback guys! This is very helpful. I think I will start with whatqerty. suggestions.
@TriusMalarky - I think that's good feedback as well. However, my friends do have decent countermagic I would say. However, I can tell my deck is too powerful and it's only way to win is to infinite combo (w/o me barely interacting w/ anyone). This is quite frowned upon in general w/ our play group, ESPECIALLY because i'm literally tutoring for them lol. It plays in the style of a cEDH deck (It's based off one). I do get countered and such but there is always ways to reanimate or just do a different combo - it's mostly just way to quick and powerful.
Some of the Commanders our playgroup runs are: Zedruu the Greathearted, Korvold, Fae-Cursed King, Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, Chainer, Nightmare Adept, Kaalia of the Vast, Sisay, Weatherlight Captain, Mayael the Anima, etc
2 months ago
Morophon, the Boundless can work for multiple tribes. Just pick whichever you need when you cast it. Kaalia of the Vast for dragons, demons, angels. Alternatively you could find something that is dual typed like Niv-Mizzet Reborn and play off those 2 types.