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The next time you would lose the game this turn, instead draw seven cards and your life total becomes 1.
Exile Stunning Reversal.
Profet93 on Lucky 13
3 months ago
The reason I ask about your meta('s power level) is to determine what level of power you want this deck to be. For example, Spine of Ish is a good card for a more casual meta in a black deck, as 7 mana is okay to remove an artifact or enchantment (Ex: Rest in Peace) that could disrupt your plans. Other times, black decks don't mind utilizing a card like Nevinyrral's Disk because even though it comes in tapped and is telegraphed, it costs 3 less mana that Spine and hits everything rather than just one target, albeit, at the cost of your boardstate (excluding your commander). As such, I was going to potentially recommend Nev disk. I understand the synergy with your commander, but its impactful isnt enough to be warranted IMO. If you find it works for you, then all the more power to you!
In my mono black deck, one wincon is Necropotence + Profane Transfusion. I saw the leechridden swamp but wasn't good for my deck, it's great for you. Profane does what you want, even though it's 9 mana, you seem to be okay with higher costed cards. This is on theme with your deck.
Given another wincon of your deck is Tree + "Trisk," you need a way to recur either, particularly Trisk. Black has a variety of creature recursion but little non-creature. Cards to consider are .....
Deliver Unto Evil - Politics. While most people hate giving an opponent a choice, this usually plays out something like.... A) Draw B) Tutor C) Recursion D) Wincon. Either way, you get benefit.
Ill-Gotten Gains - Not an entirely serious suggestion, but it works nevertheless.
Magus of the Will - Budget Yawgmoth's Will
My apologies, yes, sever the bloodline is 4 mana. I also asked about the meta because I didn't realize token decks were prevalent enough for you to warrant it's inclusion. For 4 mana, a lot of black decks just use boardwipes like Toxic Deluge. This is more true for your deck because A) Its on theme with lifeloss and can be used to set up repay in kind/profane transfusion B) Your PW commander will still be alive. Alternatively, black decks can utilize Virulent Plague as a permanent anti-token measure along with Bloodline Culling, which acts as instant speed removal and is flexible to kill most midrange creatures or destroy most tokens. I understand Sever's appeal, if it works for you, keep it. Most higher power black decks opt for cheaper (usually instant) removal in order to interact with opponents during their turn to disrupt their plans. That being said, if Sever works for you, I respect your decision even though I disagree with it, you know your meta best. I can only imagine the green player's face as all of their plant tokens with +1 counters from Avenger of Zendikar are suddenly exiled, must be a pretty good feeling. Not to mention they can't bring their creature back which is helpful against graveyard based decks. Flashback is nice as well.
Are you looking for cuts for your maybeboard? Are you okay with infinite combos?
Regarding Golden Throne, it can be helpful. I say test it out. But personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable telegraphing my only card to save myself. Alternatively, Stunning Reversal can be swapped in should you find your opponents holding removal for your throne too often as it is telegraphed.
tylorlilley on Parnesse Politics
10 months ago
I think Spelltwine doesn't work with your commander, because you are copying the cards and casting them instead of copying the spell. If that's right than Mizzix's Mastery and Arcane Bombardment also wouldn't work, sadly. Maybe they are good enough to keep anyway? Not sure. Cards with the Cipher mechanic are also so close to working but I don't think they do. This is actually kind of hard to brew around! Ugh, God-Eternal Kefnet wouldn't work either, ew.
Immolating Gyre and Volcanic Vision are really good boardwipes in a spells-y deck... as is Cyclonic Rift, which you definitely should still run. In fact, all the overload spells are pretty sweet here, since they only target things you don't control, so if you copy them opponent's can't even pay the 4 life to hit one of your things. Makes Vandalblast and friends possibly worth it.
Radiate is such a fun card that could do some real crazy things here! Shoutout to Radiant Performer as well.
Sublime Epiphany and Volcanic Offering Might not be good enough here.
I really like Narset's Reversal, Split Decision, and the demonstrate cards in this deck! Obviously Twinning Staff is fun here too.
It will be interesting to see if Lithoform Engine or Pyromancer's Goggles will be good enough here (I like Primal Amulet Flip). Maybe more spells that copy spells are better than these chunkier repeatable ones? Things like Galvanic Iteration or Reiterate if you like the buyback better. Or Increasing Vengeance for the beefier flashback. Hell, if its politics Bonus Round could be really fun. Chef's Kiss is a newer one that I forgot about
Maybe this is the kind of deck where Thrilling Encore shines?
Is Stunning Reversal here to try and copy and save other people with?? Seems like it may not be good enough when you have access to blue for card draw/protection anyway.
I've found the expertise cycle (Baral's Expertise, Yahenni's Expertise, maybe not Kari Zev's Expertise) to be really fun with spell copying, since they in turn let you cast more spells themselves.
I wish, as I always do, that Cloven Casting wasn't soooo bad. Or like, any of the cards with Replicate. Those would be so perfect. Maybe Shattering Spree is good enough but I think it isn't. Ugh, that makes me think about how you're definitely supposed to play storm cards in this deck. Are there any storm cards that aren't miserable? Mind's Desire maybe...
Is Charmbreaker Devils good enough?
Wild Ricochet is an oldie but maybe enough of a goodie here with the copying theme?
Harmonic Prodigy since your commander is a wizard isn't a terrible idea...
Humble Defector might be too cute.
Gotta have Rakdos Charm! Honestly there might be other charms that are worth it to like Crosis's Charm, but definitely Rakdos Charm.
Cruel Ultimatum is the ultimate chunky spell and you're even in the right colors for it!
Also Chaos Warp is still good enough as universal instant speed removal and kind of fun/politics-y as well
Icaruskid on Return of the Queen (Long May She Reign)
1 year ago
Great theme song! I like the style of what you've built here and would play it as-is right now!
- Breena isn't card draw. It's a good card though. Also your monarch cards count as card draw. ;)
- Faithless Looting would be better if you were running Reanimate or recursion spells. Night's Whisper might be better.
- Mythos of Snapdax is OK but probably hits your own permanents harder than you'd like. Consider Blasphemous Act, Vanquish the Horde, Wrath of God or my latest personal favorite Promise of Loyalty there. Those still hit your creatures too but on an empty board monarch shines.
- Open the Armory is good but Fighter Class was built for Sunforger.
- Everyone has their own preference for win conditions in control decks. Debt to the Deathless, Exsanguinate, Torment of Hailfire, Master of Cruelties, Approach of the Second Sun, and Revel in Riches are all popular. One I found recently that might be interesting is Near-Death Experience. It needs support cards to make it work but they are spicy like Stunning Reversal and Plunge into Darkness. It also pairs with Master of Cruelties and life swap spells. This list is a good example for more ideas is you like that path.
Here is my Queen Marchesa deck with its own theme song (less original than yours). You might like it.
Have fun ruling the battlefield!
Icaruskid on Lich Queen Marchesa
1 year ago
Stunning Reversal + Near-Death Experience is wild!
KibaAlpha on None
1 year ago
Cast that enchantment and Adanto Vanguard , pass turn, opponents end step before your turn if you still have 40 life pay 4 life 10 times, in response to your immediate death cast Stunning Reversal . Your upkeep trigger win con.
Phion on Liesa EDH: Unredeemed
1 year ago
Yup I like this deck, I had debated about making this deck myself but held back because I had made 2 decks prior that used similar tech to what I was thinking The kiss of Judas and Sunset of the king
In terms of cards I would keep in mind of Plunge into Darkness , Gideon of the Trials and Spoils of the Vault while you are playing with life. Stunning Reversal might also be interesting
VampDemigod on Is Competitive Phage Possible?
2 years ago
Fair points. I do prefer the idea of a phage deck where phage isn’t the commander.
If you’re deadset on having phage as the literal commander these are the only ways to save yourself: Torpor Orb, Lich's Mastery, Stunning Reversal, and Platinum Angel. The other card I was thinking of would shuffle phage into your library.
Stunning Reversal is basically the only way to stop them from killing you with your own phage when you cast it via artifact/enchantment removal.
VampDemigod on Sleighs & Gifts Needed
2 years ago
A few cards that haven’t been mentioned yet, and that are relatively budget: Nine Lives Forbidden Crypt Immortal Coil Nefarious Lich Abyssal Persecutor works as a great insurance policy when it’s in the other side of the battlefield, as well as protecting yourself and stopping the opponent from using “win the game” cards. Soul Echo is pretty nice, it only requires a gift effect. Transcendence is similar, but can’t be cast when you’re above 19 life. Stunning Reversal can help save you if you can’t give one of your self-harm spells to your opponent. It’s also a great way to save yourself. Exquisite Archangel works similarly. Demonic Pact Curse of Vengeance gives you a nice boost when you eliminate a player. Shauku, Endbringer is a slower self-harm, which can be used on your side too. If you want, you can also use a Pacifism effect on it and give it to an opponent.
Duplicity is a great card for more co-op builds.
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